• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:13
CEST 20:13
KST 03:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3
Community News
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)10BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) feardragon: Blizzards biggest blunder with SC was… TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 3
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 26485 users

Daum OSL - Final - Iris vs. GGPlay

Forum Index > News
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-19 07:27:19
July 19 2007 06:55 GMT
#1
[image loading]

I don’t trust statistics—never have. That’s not to say I don’t study them or use them as a starting point for many of my StarCraft-based arguments, but I don’t like to rely on them. When it comes to predicting the outcome of a particular match, I’m much more likely to trust my own intuition regarding the players and maps than believe what the statistics say about both parties.

My feelings on this OSL final are no exception. The statistics, without a doubt, are on GGPlay’s side. Compared to Iris in TvZ/ZvT, GGPlay has a better career record, a better record since the beginning of 2006, and a better record since April of 2007. This final statistic is perhaps the most meaningful: GGPlay is 13-5 during that span of time, whereas Iris is only 5-3. While the difference in percentage isn’t huge, it’s important to note just how much ZvT GGPlay has been playing. In this OSL, he’s only had to play one game against a non-Terran opponent. Iris has faced considerably more racial diversity, and while he has played four TvZs this OSL, his most-recent games were against Stork. Iris has only had a week to prepare for this Bo5. GGPlay, one could argue, has been preparing for it since the beginning of June.

Then there are the maps. Thanks largely to GGPlay, who is 4-0 on the map, Zerg players are a perfect 7-0 ZvT on Fantasy. Hitchhiker, despite looking like a Terran wonderland, is currently 13-12 in favor of the swarm. Python is sitting at 20-18 in favor of Terran—not exactly a blowout—and while Monty Hall currently favors Terran 12-8, Savior, Silver, and GGPlay have all shown the ability to win on it. All told, the maps are just fine for ZvT. So a player with GGPlay’s ZvT statistics should have no problem taking down a player like Iris on this set of maps… right?

Well, no. And the reason is this: Iris has looked unstoppable as of late. He looked sharp against Savior, and he looked invincible against Stork. I challenge anyone to watch Iris’ Bo5 against Stork and point to something that Iris did wrong. When I extended that challenge to Jathin, he said, “There was a point when a vulture died unnecessarily. He could have, y’know, moved it.” That’s basically the extent of it. Iris’ execution was flawless.

But I don’t mean to sell GGPlay short. Despite his series against Flash ending 3-2, GGPlay only made one real mistake during that set of games, but it was a big one: his ill-advised mutalisk-zergling attack on Python, that vain attempt to save his newly-hatched expansion. Aside from that debacle, GGPlay’s play was practically a work of art. His timing, micromanagement, and decision-making were all spot-on. Even though Iris, in my mind, is the favorite to win the OSL, GGPlay is playing as well as he ever has; anyone who denies his ability to win this series is making a huge mistake.



OSL Finals
July 21
19:00 Korean


[image loading]


Iris (T)

vs.

GGPlay (Z)

[image loading]


Game 1 – Python

Python is a very standard map, and I expect very standard play from both players. GGPlay's goal has to be, one way or another, to secure a gas expansion beyond his natural for an extended period of time. Though this is a pretty typical goal in ZvT, it's more difficult on Python due to how the map forces Terran activity. The map's relatively low mineral count—as opposed to a map like Longinus—means that Terrans must be constantly pressuring, scouting, and actively using their armies. Turtling until they have a nearly-unstoppable blob of troops isn't an option. The map's wide open middle means that, for Terrans, numerous small skirmishes are preferable to a single large one. Bunker rushing is a viable option on Python, but whether Iris attempts to or not, I'm predicting that he makes a second command center before his refinery so as to be able to more-easily replenish his army as he relentlessly hunts for expansions.

Game 2 – Fantasy

Iris surprised me with aggressive play against Stork on Fantasy, but I don't think it will work against a Zerg. If Iris spawns in the lower-right and GGPlay in the upper-left, for instance, GGPlay could literally start creep colonies and finish the sunken upgrade in the time it would take Iris to travel between the two bases. Being that pro-gamers look to develop and practice consistent strategies that will work at any starting position, look for Iris, like Flash, to try to gain an early economic advantage one way or another. Barring anything non-standard from Iris, GGPlay is my pick to win on Fantasy.

Game 3 – Hitchhiker

I've never liked Hitchhiker; it's too easy, in my mind, for Terrans to abuse the narrow passages. But that hasn't stopped Zergs from finding success on it, and I can only commend them for that. After watching Flash's massive, SCV-cut tank push from last week, I have a hard time believing that Iris won't try something similar. He is the "Berserker Terran," after all. If GGPlay can survive to the late-game, however, Iris could be in trouble. We've all seen how effectively GGPlay makes use of defilers, and defilers show their true strength in narrow passages. My own preference on Hitchhiker is to start climbing the tech tree towards mutalisks before adding a third hatchery. Doing so effectively counters an early tank push and, due to the cliffs above the natural expansions, can still prove effective against a Terran fast expand build. To my knowledge, however, only Savior and Yellow[Arnc] have taken my advice in this regard.

Game 4 – Monty Hall

I've heard many, many Zergs complain about Monty Hall, and after watching a lot of TvZs on the map, I've written their criticisms off as baseless; Monty Hall has a ton of gas, rewards players who expand frequently (read: Zergs), doesn't allow for bunker rushes, and has numerous flanking opportunities. GGPlay and Iris have only played one ZvT/TvZ apiece on Monty Hall, and both were virtuoso performances. I'm looking forward to this game more than any other in the series.

Game 5 – Python

I've said this regarding pretty much every Bo5 I've previewed, but the point is so important that I have to drive it home: as fans, there's nothing better than seeing a series go to a single, decisive game. In terms of sheer tension and entertainment, nothing in StarCraft can compare. Imagine the amount of time that GGPlay and Iris have practiced specifically for these games—somewhere in the realm of 100 hours each (assuming 14-hour days for a week). And in the end, it could all come down to one game, something that rarely takes more than a half hour. All that practice, all that devotion, over something that could be decided in the blink of an eye—it's the reason we love sports.

Here's what the rest of TL had to say:

Hot_Bid: "I believe [Iris] is absolutely dying to win this final. If he loses, he's going to go home and slit his wrists. He's angry, determined, and is probably practicing for this final with such a single-minded fervor that I really don't think anyone can match at this point."

RowdierBob: "Iris has to end the games before GGPlay can get a three-gas strong hive economy working, or at least gain a big advantage. GGPlay is pretty unstoppable if he gets his hive tech working with three gases in his possession."

Carnac: "[GGPlay's] late-game management rivals Savior's. If Iris doesn't succeed in damaging GGPlay in the early- to mid-game, he will have an extremely hard time beating him, no matter on how much of a roll he is."

ManaBlue: "You can see the fire in Iris' eyes every time he steps onto the OSL stage now. He's at the point where skill and practice are irrelevant. He's pissed, he's driven, he's coming to smash the world to pieces. If I were GGplay, I'd be terrified."
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
July 19 2007 07:07 GMT
#2
Nice write-up

Hopefully we'll see some good games in this series
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Tossik
Profile Joined July 2007
Russian Federation8 Posts
July 19 2007 07:11 GMT
#3
Iris go-go-go, i believe in you!
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
July 19 2007 07:11 GMT
#4
I still contend that Iris' recent success with Proactiv will lead to renewed confidence and subsequent urination on GGPlay.
SiZ.FaNtAsY
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)1497 Posts
July 19 2007 07:13 GMT
#5
Nice read ^^

I predict Iris will win the series he has "style". XD
Karma is a bitch
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
July 19 2007 07:19 GMT
#6
Very nice write up, I can't wait for the matches.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 19 2007 07:20 GMT
#7
Go GGPlay! 3-2
Quick fix: Game 5- "there's nothing better"
o_x | Ow. | 1003 ESPORTS dollars | If you have any questions about bans please PM Kennigit
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
July 19 2007 07:27 GMT
#8
On July 19 2007 16:20 mikeymoo wrote:
Go GGPlay! 3-2
Quick fix: Game 5- "there's nothing better"

I actually caught and fixed that before posting this, but apparently I copy-pasted an old version of that final paragarph--irritating.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 19 2007 07:39 GMT
#9
Quite. Good writeup though.
o_x | Ow. | 1003 ESPORTS dollars | If you have any questions about bans please PM Kennigit
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 19 2007 08:12 GMT
#10
[image loading]
istealhotelsoap
Profile Joined February 2007
United States514 Posts
July 19 2007 08:17 GMT
#11
^ those are some gosu eyes
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
July 19 2007 08:25 GMT
#12
^ Iris lost his irises?
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
July 19 2007 08:37 GMT
#13
nice hype~~~~
i think iris really has this DOWN!
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
July 19 2007 08:41 GMT
#14
Incredible preview DJ!

The analysis of the maps is so thorough, you've given me a lot to think about as I watch the games unfold. I'm so pumped! Finals time rules!
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 19 2007 09:05 GMT
#15
On July 19 2007 17:25 Jyvblamo wrote:
^ Iris lost his irises?
Nocturne
Profile Joined July 2007
Korea (South)155 Posts
July 19 2007 10:28 GMT
#16
thanks for the preview! hope the bo5 finals can offer really exciting matches
dementus
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Singapore1151 Posts
July 19 2007 13:48 GMT
#17
i just love the writeup, etter~
"I couldn't stop myself from having unreal macro and sick timing senses."
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 19 2007 14:02 GMT
#18
IRISI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOGO IRIS

HYPE.
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
July 19 2007 14:20 GMT
#19
great write up, i enjoyed the "rest of tlnet had to say" part ;D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
July 19 2007 15:45 GMT
#20
IRIS FIGHTING!
I'll call Nada.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 47m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EnDerr 99
BRAT_OK 75
NoRegreT_ 45
MindelVK 36
UpATreeSC 33
IndyStarCraft 30
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25530
Calm 3803
firebathero 331
Hyuk 157
Dewaltoss 63
sSak 41
sas.Sziky 37
scan(afreeca) 29
Dota 2
Gorgc6341
qojqva2077
Counter-Strike
fl0m5846
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0548
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu371
Other Games
tarik_tv47858
gofns35647
Grubby1849
FrodaN1572
Beastyqt398
crisheroes310
B2W.Neo301
Lowko211
ArmadaUGS114
XaKoH 75
Trikslyr63
FunKaTv 35
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream9844
Other Games
BasetradeTV14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 38
• Adnapsc2 35
• HeavenSC 24
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 16
• Michael_bg 11
• blackmanpl 10
• FirePhoenix1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2681
League of Legends
• Nemesis12749
• TFBlade1119
Other Games
• imaqtpie775
• Shiphtur289
Upcoming Events
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
47m
Korean StarCraft League
8h 47m
SOOP
14h 47m
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
15h 47m
WardiTV Invitational
16h 47m
ByuN vs MaNa
MaxPax vs Solar
Reynor vs Creator
Gerald vs Spirit
Cheesadelphia
20h 47m
CSO Cup
22h 47m
BSL: ProLeague
23h 47m
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
GSL Code S
1d 13h
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 15h
[ Show More ]
BSL: ProLeague
1d 23h
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.