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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-22 01:47:27
January 21 2007 20:43 GMT
#1
The votes are in and the final decisions have been made, all that’s left is to detail the awards. Teamliquid is no democracy, but rest assured your votes played an important role. Without further ado, here are the winners:

The 'Garimto' Award for Player of the Year is honourably and respectfully bestowed upon...

Savior

As though there was any contest. Savior dominated all of 2006, winning two MSLs and ripping apart poor Boxer and Nada in Superfight. The guy is just a class better than everyone else, and if he manages to conquer OSL, he’ll be one of the most accomplished players ever.

Live2Win - EZ, Savior. Yes, NaDa's Golden Mouse win was touching, but let's remember this is a 2006 award, not an OSL-Achievements award. For the NaDa of 2006, this was 1 Starleague win. But Savior, he won 2 Starleagues and his second WEF (or was it IEF?) title. He also won 2 Super Fight Finals, beating NaDa also. Gotta say, NaDa just can't top that.

SuperJongMan - Savior, it is the year of Zerg. There is no other choice.


The 'Mumyung' Award for Worst Player is chucked unceremoniously at...

Child

Mumyung would be proud. Child made it to OSL twice, only to get completely raped by everyone, not managing to win a single game. Couple that with his bad Proleague performance, and you’ve got the worst player of 2006.

FunFluffyBunny - Sasin)Child. 0-3 both times he's been in the OSL, and always being raped in Pro League.

The 'Boxer' Creativity/Inspiration Award is handed, in a state of awe and amazement, to...

The Emperor himself

Boxer had half a year less than everyone else to pull crazy stunts, but still wins this award with ease. The rax block vs July, his triple dropship move against Chojja, the triple CC against rA, his proxies against Shinhwa, Oov and Aqua, and of course the amazing wraith game against Jju. Boxer’s games are still by far the most fun to watch and we are all eagerly awaiting his return.

An honorable mention goes to UpMagic who has been playing extremely creatively in the OSL so far. I’m afraid I can’t give away a 2006 award based on three games, all of which were played in December, but he is definitely someone to watch out for.

The 'Chojja' Missing in Action Award sits forlornly on the shelf waiting in vain to be picked up by...

Reach

There was a time when Reach was the big Protoss hope, standing his ground against the waves of Zerg and Terran closing in on the Protoss race. Those happier times, however, are long gone. Reach’s biggest achievement this year was losing 3-0 to Nada. Come back, mantoss, Protoss needs you!


Plexa - Reach; the KTF Captain's curse has claimed another, manly, victim...

Live2Win - Ah, this is easy. Reach of course. Where art thou, man-toss?


The Team of the Year Award goes to…

MBC Game Hero

It’s absolutely amazing how much the MBC team has improved this season. Apart from their veterans July and Pusan, the team has produced an amazing number of promising rookies, Sea, Light and Bisu in particular. MBC’s trust in the young players has paid off. After making 2nd place in Proleague round 1, they won both round 2 and the grand finals. They’ll be the team to beat in 2007.

thedeadhaji - MBC Hero. lost to SKT1 in Proleague season 1 finals, won Proleague season 2. Their improvement over the past year is simply staggering.

The 'WTF!' Moment of the Year Award is handed carefully via an asbestos glove to...

Garimto’s Comeback

He’s back. The legend. If you didn’t start drooling when you read the news, you’ve never seen him play. Next to him, Reach looks like a little boy. Garimto! Hell yeah! Prepare yourself for the wrath of Aiur, Savior. He’s coming.

Game of the Year was clearly...

Nal_rA vs Savior Pringles MSL semis game 1

What an amazing game. Never has Savior been pushed this far in ZvP. He showed everything he had – and it wasn’t enough. Brilliant play from rA, this game had everything, from amazing battles to the elimination race in the end.

All in all, I’d say 2006 was a good year for progaming. Here’s to another one.

Orome
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 20:46:18
January 21 2007 20:46 GMT
#2
Again, many things were copied from Arbiter's original newspost. I suggest you check out his, Mani's and mensrea's awards, they're awesome reads.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
January 21 2007 20:49 GMT
#3
Agree 100 %! Very good job Orome!
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 21 2007 21:13 GMT
#4
Great choices on everything. Nice!
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 21 2007 21:17 GMT
#5
very nice. Only problem I have with it though, is that boxer's rax block against July was during so1 starleague, which was 2005. Hence it doesnt really belong in an annual award where we look at the year 2006.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 21 2007 21:22 GMT
#6
It was on the 30th December 2005. I figured noone would notice and decided to cheat a bit. :p
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
January 21 2007 22:13 GMT
#7
On January 22 2007 06:22 Orome wrote:
It was on the 30th December 2005. I figured noone would notice and decided to cheat a bit. :p

lol hahaha yea i did think that the move was quite a stretch back hehe but it was awesome

and garimto is back motherfuckers
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
January 21 2007 22:15 GMT
#8
excellent :-)
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
bustaBust
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada469 Posts
January 21 2007 22:37 GMT
#9
i thought reach just won a $20k or $25k tourny like 3months ago?
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
January 21 2007 22:38 GMT
#10
Well yeah, but look at a lot of his other games. Proxies have become semi-common now, but Boxer added a little extra in all of his. On the surface, it was just a proxy, but there was always a little twist that made it work
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nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
January 21 2007 22:48 GMT
#11
nice roundup for 2006, Im now really looking forward to what this year will bring us in the starcraft scene, great job Orome!
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PrImItIvLiNg
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany31 Posts
January 21 2007 22:54 GMT
#12
Is this Savior - Nal_Ra game somewhere at youtube? I'm not at home and can't dl vods currently..
It is not enough to suceed - others must fail!
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 21 2007 23:05 GMT
#13
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=savior nal_ra

...
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
January 21 2007 23:24 GMT
#14
Awesome post Orome!

Love the awards. Reach must comeback now.
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PrImItIvLiNg
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany31 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-22 04:06:40
January 21 2007 23:35 GMT
#15
THX #2 orome!
It is not enough to suceed - others must fail!
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
January 21 2007 23:48 GMT
#16
Indd cheers to another year of good games and good newsposts Orome!
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
January 22 2007 00:14 GMT
#17
I wanted savior vs MIdas to win, but ra and savior is an awesome game nevertheless!.

Nice write~up Orome, very good!
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 22 2007 00:19 GMT
#18
On January 22 2007 06:22 Orome wrote:
It was on the 30th December 2005. I figured noone would notice and decided to cheat a bit. :p


oO kk i keep thinking this was so1 for some reason, but obviously that date means it was sinhan 2005.
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
January 22 2007 00:42 GMT
#19
indeed, pretty neat choices i liked them all!, maybe except for the mumyung of the year, i would have given it to.. hmm nevermind lol
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 22 2007 00:51 GMT
#20
The other candidate was Hery for his abysmal Proleague record, but we thought 0-6 in Starleagues was a bit worse. :p

Glad you guys like it!
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
mnm
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States4493 Posts
January 22 2007 00:59 GMT
#21
is savior hot? i need a new zerg hero.
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EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
January 22 2007 01:03 GMT
#22
Poor child I don't think he deserves the chobo award but the rest of the list is what I would've picked.
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-22 01:09:47
January 22 2007 01:09 GMT
#23
Awesome post! : My 3 fave players are on the list too.

Reach
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 22 2007 01:09 GMT
#24
Some kind soul spread the word to playsc

http://www.playsc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=45613
(translate w/ babelfish etc)
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 22 2007 01:51 GMT
#25
nice I agree with the awards.
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
January 22 2007 03:37 GMT
#26
On January 22 2007 09:59 mnm wrote:
is savior hot? i need a new zerg hero.


lol
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
January 22 2007 03:37 GMT
#27
anybody got the link to the live reports topic from savior vs ra semis? i cant seem to find it using the search function
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-22 03:50:18
January 22 2007 03:48 GMT
#28
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=45879

Edit: But I suggest you watch the game first, it's awesome, trust me.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
HungerForMore
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan420 Posts
January 22 2007 04:01 GMT
#29
can't agree more about the game of the year award, it's the one I would've chosen if had to decide. I just love the dramatic ending:

+ Show Spoiler +
where they both are with there whole armies destroying eachothers last bases. Where savior was in front, but ra just had a loose probe, and managed to build a pylon. I loved it!.
Savior 4 Life
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
January 22 2007 04:07 GMT
#30
where I can find vod from this rA vs sAviOr game? youtube or sth ?
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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
January 22 2007 04:23 GMT
#31
there's a link in the comments here, 1st page. i just watched it, very cool indeed
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
January 22 2007 04:58 GMT
#32
On January 22 2007 13:07 Musli wrote:
where I can find vod from this rA vs sAviOr game? youtube or sth ?


+ Show Spoiler +


Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
January 22 2007 05:23 GMT
#33
nice choices ~

The 'WTF!' Moment of the Year Award should have gone to boxer's leaving i mean come he IS the Emperor, isntead of mr power rank 5 "Red Sniper"
Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
January 22 2007 05:28 GMT
#34
Very nice choices.. couldn't agree more.
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
January 22 2007 06:00 GMT
#35
good picks

anyone have that savior game plz pm it to me

( best game of year)
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 22 2007 06:03 GMT
#36
Hah, I knew I should've uploaded it beforehand.

Falling asleep in my chair here, will upload tomorrow (if I still have it).
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
January 22 2007 06:08 GMT
#37
On January 22 2007 09:59 mnm wrote:
is savior hot? i need a new zerg hero.

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the lady likes?
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
January 22 2007 06:26 GMT
#38
On January 22 2007 14:23 Pressure wrote:
nice choices ~

The 'WTF!' Moment of the Year Award should have gone to boxer's leaving i mean come he IS the Emperor, isntead of mr power rank 5 "Red Sniper"


Sorry, I must be missing something, but what does Hwasin have to do with anything?
Trucy Wright is hot
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
January 22 2007 06:40 GMT
#39
good picks!!



.....in comparison to GG.net's picks ~_~

awesome nonetheless!
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vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
January 22 2007 07:23 GMT
#40
On January 22 2007 15:08 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2007 09:59 mnm wrote:
is savior hot? i need a new zerg hero.

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lol Savior is rocking the mullet
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
January 22 2007 08:14 GMT
#41
On January 22 2007 09:59 mnm wrote:
is savior hot? i need a new zerg hero.


naw, keep YellOw. he'll be back. Sometime. >>;; along with mantoss and the rest of them.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
January 22 2007 08:26 GMT
#42
On January 22 2007 17:14 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2007 09:59 mnm wrote:
is savior hot? i need a new zerg hero.


naw, keep YellOw. he'll be back. Sometime. >>;; along with mantoss and the rest of them.


I hope!
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
January 22 2007 08:44 GMT
#43
i see the probability of yellow coming back and dominating roughly 0%

probability of him being a broke hobo due to gambling problems, 9000%
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
January 22 2007 08:52 GMT
#44
On January:26 Purind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January:23 Pressure wrote:
nice choices ~

The 'WTF!' Moment of the Year Award should have gone to boxer's leaving i mean come he IS the Emperor, isntead of mr power rank 5 "Red Sniper"


Sorry, I must be missing something, but what does Hwasin have to do with anything?

just trying to make boxer seem higher as "emperor"
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
January 22 2007 09:01 GMT
#45
Great Post Orome; agree with your comments

T.T I still don't have that nal_ra>savior game!
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 22 2007 09:56 GMT
#46
On January 22 2007 15:00 Yogurt wrote:
good picks

anyone have that savior game plz pm it to me

( best game of year)


http://teamliquid.net/tracker/details.php?info_hash=1fb21482c293aba255ef00941c1ff66108c87a7e
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
January 22 2007 09:57 GMT
#47
On January 22 2007 18:56 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2007 15:00 Yogurt wrote:
good picks

anyone have that savior game plz pm it to me

( best game of year)


http://teamliquid.net/tracker/details.php?info_hash=1fb21482c293aba255ef00941c1ff66108c87a7e


I appreciate it!
Enter a Uh
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27151 Posts
January 22 2007 11:13 GMT
#48
Also, you can get the Boxer vs Jju game on the tracker, thanks to thedeadhaji.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 22 2007 11:27 GMT
#49
Well done Orome. Much appreciated. My only problem is with the Mumyung award. Shouldn't the progamers that couldn't even make it into a starleague automatically be worse than ones that made it in and then got raped?
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MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-22 12:03:33
January 22 2007 12:03 GMT
#50
Very nice. Here's to another year of great gaming!
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27151 Posts
January 22 2007 12:39 GMT
#51
On January 22 2007 20:27 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Well done Orome. Much appreciated. My only problem is with the Mumyung award. Shouldn't the progamers that couldn't even make it into a starleague automatically be worse than ones that made it in and then got raped?


Well, mumyung was famous for making it to starleagues and doing absolutely nothing. So, Child fits the spirit of the award perfectly.
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yakii *
Profile Joined June 2006
Korea (South)1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-22 13:16:32
January 22 2007 12:55 GMT
#52
[image loading]


Garimto joined KTF MgicNs!
(FiFo : http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ISS&idx=16388 (korean))

Now, KTF have three great protoss - Garimto, Nal_ra, Reach. wow.

EDIT : And I forgot onething - Saying "Great work Orome! I like all choices"
사마난
mlaoxve
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden165 Posts
January 22 2007 15:35 GMT
#53
i want to see games with garimto asap, he must have done pretty good to get into ktf
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Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
January 22 2007 19:26 GMT
#54
man look at garimto. Nice'n clean haircut & the cool ktf uniform. Teach them kids how its done properly garimto!
Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
January 22 2007 21:22 GMT
#55
KIM DUNG SOO~~~

nice write-up Orome.
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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
January 22 2007 23:54 GMT
#56
*sigh* Here we go with the Starleague again....

MSL is not considered a "Starleague". That's why they say "MSL" and "Starleague", not "MSL" and "OSL". Some of you may of heard of the phrase: "The one and only Starleaguer."

MSL and OSL are in a totally different class. OSL is the grandslam of Starcraft. MSL just turned out to be a spoof of the OSL. MSL is NOT considered a Starleague (it just has that name attached to it for publicity).

Starleague is distinct. It has it's own program colors: red/white/black. And Proleague is the offspring of Starleague. MSL has no "proleague", MSL is not considered a "starleague".
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 23 2007 00:06 GMT
#57
Outside of Korea, MSL is considered a Starleague.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-23 00:35:27
January 23 2007 00:25 GMT
#58
On January 23 2007 09:06 Orome wrote:
Outside of Korea, MSL is considered a Starleague.

MSL was made in Korea.

It's like, foreigners telling Germany that the Volkswagan is better than their Rolls Royce and insisting that they should be put in the same class. A man owning 1 Rolls Royce is not as good as a man owning 2 Volkswagen, they would say. But, the Germans are the ones who manufactured the cars, and they have established that Rolls Royce is the better car.

The Koreans have established that Starleague is Starleague, and MSL is not Starleague, just a minor league.

---

It's the same for everything else out there.
You're not a great soccer team by winning all the little tournaments. You truly get recognized if you can win the World Cup.

You are not a truly great pingpong player by winning all the minor national tournaments. You become great by winning the Olympic medals. Sure, your skill level can be the same (or greater) than the Olympic medal winners at certain points in time, but the fact that you have not won the Olympic medal puts you at a lower place in recognition.
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
January 23 2007 02:52 GMT
#59
For all intensive purposes, how about we just call Starleague, OSL and MSL, MSL?
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 23 2007 04:23 GMT
#60
On January 23 2007 09:25 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2007 09:06 Orome wrote:
Outside of Korea, MSL is considered a Starleague.

MSL was made in Korea.

It's like, foreigners telling Germany that the Volkswagan is better than their Rolls Royce and insisting that they should be put in the same class. A man owning 1 Rolls Royce is not as good as a man owning 2 Volkswagen, they would say. But, the Germans are the ones who manufactured the cars, and they have established that Rolls Royce is the better car.

The Koreans have established that Starleague is Starleague, and MSL is not Starleague, just a minor league.

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It's the same for everything else out there.
You're not a great soccer team by winning all the little tournaments. You truly get recognized if you can win the World Cup.

You are not a truly great pingpong player by winning all the minor national tournaments. You become great by winning the Olympic medals. Sure, your skill level can be the same (or greater) than the Olympic medal winners at certain points in time, but the fact that you have not won the Olympic medal puts you at a lower place in recognition.


It's a difference in terminology and the meaning of 'Starleague'.

Apparently, to you and possibly in Korea as a whole (although Live2Win called MSL a Starleague, and he's Korean), Starleague means, 'the big one', the most important tournament. To me, and I think to most people here, Starleague is just a name for a league, nothing more. Therefore, MSL is obviously a Starleague because it has Starleague in its name.

It does not make sense for me to change this, same as people all around the world say swiss cheese to something that is definitely not swiss cheese to me. It's a difference in terminology, and there is no correct version.

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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
January 23 2007 04:49 GMT
#61
yes, I consider MSL and OSL the same level. I see on reason why they should be considered a different level. It's like the 4 Grand Slams in tennis. They both have a off-line quali, a minor league, and a major league.

Of course, in Korea, like WhatisProtoss said, Starleague refers to OSL, as OGN originally came up with the name "Starleague". Remember, MBC's orginial name for it was KPGA Tour, and since that wasn't working too well they stole the name and called it MBCGame Starleague.

So, Starleague is SUPPOSE to refer to OSL only, and MSL is called MSL. (interestingly enough, the MSL commentators refer to OSL as "the other league" they NEVER say OSL or OGN Starleague, while they call themselves MSL, and OSL calls themselves "Starleague")

But like I said, I, and most foreigners, refer to any major league as a starleague.

I wouldn't agree with Whatisprotoss's comment about MSL being a minor league though. The OSL is considered higher because of the prize-money difference, but I think they give the same amount points? I'm not too sure about that.
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
January 23 2007 05:54 GMT
#62
On January 23 2007 13:49 Live2Win wrote:
So, Starleague is SUPPOSE to refer to OSL only, and MSL is called MSL. (interestingly enough, the MSL commentators refer to OSL as "the other league" they NEVER say OSL or OGN Starleague, while they call themselves MSL, and OSL calls themselves "Starleague")


Really? That's very interesting actually... I've always wondered how the OGN vs MBC relationship panned out. I mean, do they see themselves as competitors/rivals, and if they do, do they try to refrain from mentioning each other, ever, or do they mention each other but boost how they're better/more exciting, etc. like the old WCW vs WWF thing years ago? (this doesn't seem likely given the culture, but I don't know how modern/westernized the gaming channels are)... or do they work together for the greater good of the game? I seem to recall the proleague was/is sponsored by both yes? Or was that some special joint effort thing from a year or two ago?
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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-23 07:12:54
January 23 2007 06:40 GMT
#63
Starleague is worth more points than MSL, since it is a higher league than MSL. Winning it is more prestigious.

Obviously MSL does not want to lose out to the original Starleague and refers to OSL as the "other starleague," even though they clearly are the lesser of the two.

People have just misunderstood this over and over again. OGN Starleague is on a higher level than MSL. There IS no terminology error between the two, as Orome has said. There is no misconception. There IS a correct version. Just because Live2Win called MSL a "Starleague" means that it actually is a Starleague??

On January 23 2007 13:49 Live2Win wrote:
The OSL is considered higher because of the prize-money difference, but I think they give the same amount points? I'm not too sure about that.

No, for a little while, MSL upped their prize money and it was higher than Starleague's prize money for a season.

The prize money breakdown over the years:
Starleague (From 2001 to 2006):
1st: 20,000,000
2nd: 10,000,000

Shinhan Starleague 1 (April 2006 - June 2006)
1st: 40,000,000
2nd: 20,000,000

Compared to MSL:
CYON MSL (October 2005 - January 2006)
1st: 25,000,000
2nd: 10,000,000

Pringles MSL (April 2006 - July 2006)
1st: 30,000,000


My final say on the matter, since this topic keeps coming up over and over again:
1) Prize money does not make one better than the other. Prize money has always varied over the years.
2) Popularity does not make one better than the other.
3) Prestige and KESPA value makes the difference between the two.
4) OSL is the original starleague.
5) OSL is of heavier KESPA value.
6) OnGameNet holds higher authority in Starcraft broadcasting than MBCGame.
7) OGN Starleague > MSL.

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OGN vs. MBCGame
See how the names work? It isn't even "OSL". It is "Starleague." Because it is the only Starleague. MSL is a mere copy of them.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
January 23 2007 06:51 GMT
#64
Oh sweet, prize money. =P

As for me, I compare OSL and MSL by how many people they have in their audience, how much audience they have in their stadium, how many big name players they have on stage, and how many fangirls raving over those big name players on stage from the audience.

Not quite accurate, but good enough for me. =)
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 23 2007 07:12 GMT
#65
You misunderstand me. There is a terminology error, because to me, Starleague is a random name of a tournament, not an indicator of its importance. Therefore both MSL and OSL are Starleagues, because they hold Starleague in their name.
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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
January 23 2007 07:14 GMT
#66
Tell me another Starcraft tournament that contains the phrase "Starleague" in it's name, Orome.

It is registered by OnGameNet.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 23 2007 07:22 GMT
#67
It belongs to both Ongamenet and MBC. To me that is, and I think to most non-korean people.

We're getting nowhere here, let's just drop it? You can't seperate the word Starleague from its original meaning of being Ongamenet's big league, that's fine.
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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-23 07:29:34
January 23 2007 07:28 GMT
#68
That is because many people have misunderstood the relationship between MBC and OGN. I see this mistake many times and want to clear it up. People think OSL and MSL are on the same level when they are not.

Okay, no more on this matter.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 23 2007 07:35 GMT
#69
I am weak, I can't stop myself from answering. I'm still not sure you understand what I'm saying.

OSL and MSL aren't on the same level, but calling both Starleagues isn't necessarily putting them on the same level. The custom on Teamliquid is to call both Starleagues, and we should stick to it.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
January 23 2007 07:42 GMT
#70
is it just me or does it seem like the OSL's maps are a lot more imba than MSL's every time?

also, the OSL does carry with it a certain mystique or atmosphere that the MSL can't duplicate, but i don't really think the difference is that large =P
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 23 2007 07:46 GMT
#71
Ongamenet seem to value the uniqueness of a map more than its balance...

What was the saying? "The good win MSL, the destined win OSL" or something like that.

Yeah, OSL has much more history and atmosphere, but it doesn't actually produce better games.
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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
January 23 2007 08:46 GMT
#72
OSL usually is more interesting than MSL, which has had lower ratings because it is "boring".
(That's partially the fault of the commentators too).
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
January 23 2007 11:48 GMT
#73
OGN is much more professionalized and streamlined. I mean, people with an MSL title are nowhere near as lauded as one with an OSL title. MSL runners up - who cares, really? Nobody cared much for MSL after rA lost. Silver? wtf? I mean his hydralisk control is unparalleled, sure, but he can't do anything else.

OGN treats its runner ups better, though most runner-ups in OSL have made their name already by winning before.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27151 Posts
January 23 2007 12:45 GMT
#74
They are both starleagues to the TL crowd, which is all that matters here.

MSL has a lower profile than the OSL, but they are both considered major tournaments. Yes one has more prestige than the other, but imo winning either requires the same skill. The OSL is worth more points only because MBC is made up of retards that dont stick to their guns.

Lastly WiP, you said the proleague was a result of the OSL when in fact the proleague is a creation of kespa that both mbc and ogn pay into. It was NOT an OGN creation.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
January 24 2007 17:00 GMT
#75
It is a joint effort between OGN and MBC yes, but they each had their own teamleague before they made a joint one. The teamleague OGN had before they started the Sky Proleague with MBC was also called Sky Proleague! And it was basically the same format, except that they used bo3 during the season (2x 1v1, 1x 2v2) instead of bo5 and bo5 during the playoffs (3x 1v1, 2x 2v2) instead of bo7, while the MBC teamleague was bo7 with 1v1 only, a player stayed until he lost a game, so one player could 4-0 the opposing team - called all kill.
So the joint OGN / MBC Proleague = the old OGN Proleague, just with more games.
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