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Auction OSL - Maru vs. INnoVation - Ro4 Recap - Page 4

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hellodee
Profile Joined January 2013
19 Posts
July 31 2013 04:08 GMT
#61
Rain vs Maru OSL Finals, 4-2 in Rains favor to become back to back OSL Champions? :D
King
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1803 Posts
July 31 2013 04:19 GMT
#62
THE (new) PRIDE OF PRIME BABY!

This series was so sick.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 31 2013 04:25 GMT
#63
On July 31 2013 11:28 forumtext wrote:
If the STX money troubles is real, then I am willing to bet that Innonvation practiced nothing but PL for the past few weeks. The guy's job is on the line. But to Maru's credit, he excuted well.


Winning Proleague has little to no effect on STX's finances (in the short term)

He's also facing Soulkey, which he didn't know until the day of his OSL match (or a day prior, not sure), who he had already practiced for in the previous round and crushed.
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Myrddraal
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia937 Posts
July 31 2013 04:28 GMT
#64
Very nice work by Maru, all the people bitching about the games make me laugh, playing cheese/all in builds against someone like Innovation is smart and if he isn't ready for them and just dies then that is his problem.
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
July 31 2013 04:36 GMT
#65
I honestly think that Innovation just let his head get to him and he started making dumb mistakes, much like he did against Soulkey. He just kept assuming Maru wasn't going to all-in again and kept making bad choices to skimp of defense.

I think we saw the complete breakdown of Innovation in G3 where he pulled all of his SCVs to chase the marines, but forgot to kill the SCV building the bunker in his base. Then he turned around and fought with his SCVs...AWAY from his marines, AWAY from his bunker. In the following game (G4), he just started making really strange and uncharacteristic moves like forgetting to leave marines in the back of his base and running units through chokes in his main base against sieged tanks, making several mechanical errors and occasional misclicks. MISCLICKS? From the best player in world, what was happening?

I think it can all be boiled down to Innovation having the same syndrome Naniwa faces: if he comes into a match feeling good, he will completely and utterly dominate his opponent mechanically, but the moment he starts to doubt himself even a little the game is over.
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
July 31 2013 04:41 GMT
#66
On July 31 2013 10:58 CioSc2 wrote:
I totaly agree, Only game 3 was a ''cheese'' builds. Games 1 and 2 where more what I would call agressive 1 base timings.
G4 would´ve been a macro game if innovation wouldnt had F/up and roasted all of his marines in his first push of the whole series.


I agree with this quite a bit. A lot of people are saying that Maru cheesed his way in, but G1 seemed like a legitimate timing and strategy from Maru. Even if Innovation had somehow held, Maru had 2 tanks to zero and could have definitely climbed ahead in economy and macro'd his way to victory.

G2 was a little...odd. I would say that game was more all-in than the previous game. It reminds me of hyvaa timings: "If I do some kind of early attack and my opponent manages to stop it, I'll just try AGAIN WITH MORE STUFF!! and he won't expect it." And alas, Innovation cancelled his tank thinking that Maru wouldn't do the same thing AGAIN.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
Akimbo
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada104 Posts
July 31 2013 04:57 GMT
#67
Go Maru be OptimusPrime. Go Bomber
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TheLetterQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States65 Posts
July 31 2013 05:19 GMT
#68
On July 31 2013 10:58 CioSc2 wrote:
I totaly agree, Only game 3 was a ''cheese'' builds. Games 1 and 2 where more what I would call agressive 1 base timings.
G4 would´ve been a macro game if innovation wouldnt had F/up and roasted all of his marines in his first push of the whole series.

I was rooting for Maru and don't begrudge him for using aggressive builds, but if proxy starport isn't cheese then I don't know what is.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 31 2013 05:22 GMT
#69
On July 31 2013 13:41 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 10:58 CioSc2 wrote:
I totaly agree, Only game 3 was a ''cheese'' builds. Games 1 and 2 where more what I would call agressive 1 base timings.
G4 would´ve been a macro game if innovation wouldnt had F/up and roasted all of his marines in his first push of the whole series.


I agree with this quite a bit. A lot of people are saying that Maru cheesed his way in, but G1 seemed like a legitimate timing and strategy from Maru. Even if Innovation had somehow held, Maru had 2 tanks to zero and could have definitely climbed ahead in economy and macro'd his way to victory.

G2 was a little...odd. I would say that game was more all-in than the previous game. It reminds me of hyvaa timings: "If I do some kind of early attack and my opponent manages to stop it, I'll just try AGAIN WITH MORE STUFF!! and he won't expect it." And alas, Innovation cancelled his tank thinking that Maru wouldn't do the same thing AGAIN.


Nah it looks like it really is a build designed for 2 medivacs. That one gas can support constant medivac production. Maru didn't decide to attack again because his first drop didn't do much damage, that was the plan all along.

Neeb used it on Drunkenboi in WCS AM. Exact same build on a different map, same result.
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matsushi
Profile Joined December 2010
Philippines65 Posts
July 31 2013 05:34 GMT
#70
You're my boy, Maru! Innovation still can't play D lol... Maru's gonna win this OSL.
Driving this road down to paradise, letting the sunlight into my eyes
xxxKagexxx
Profile Joined August 2012
France43 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 06:42:42
July 31 2013 05:34 GMT
#71
to everyone supporting maru i just want to say than you just play same level than him everyday on ladder so i don't see why you'll support e-sport anymore now, this game loosing his soul and doesn't interest me so much anymore with game like that.

Edit ok i was really bored saw this game sry for this comment ...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 31 2013 05:38 GMT
#72
On July 31 2013 14:34 xxxKagexxx wrote:
to everyone supporting maru i just want to say than you just play same level than him everyday on ladder so i don't see why you'll support e-sport anymore now, this game loosing his soul and doesn't interest me so much anymore with game like that.

bye
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matsushi
Profile Joined December 2010
Philippines65 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 05:53:02
July 31 2013 05:51 GMT
#73
On July 31 2013 14:34 xxxKagexxx wrote:
to everyone supporting maru i just want to say than you just play same level than him everyday on ladder so i don't see why you'll support e-sport anymore now, this game loosing his soul and doesn't interest me so much anymore with game like that.


Say what you will, but cheese is part of what makes SC so amazing. And yes, I'm sure every single person who supports Maru in this post is good enough to be in an OSL final.

(edits were just some grammar stuff)
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
July 31 2013 05:54 GMT
#74
On July 31 2013 14:34 xxxKagexxx wrote:
to everyone supporting maru i just want to say than you just play same level than him everyday on ladder so i don't see why you'll support e-sport anymore now, this game loosing his soul and doesn't interest me so much anymore with game like that.

yea Maru did nothing special, that's why people beat Innovation all the time, lol what?
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
July 31 2013 05:55 GMT
#75
On July 31 2013 14:34 xxxKagexxx wrote:
to everyone supporting maru i just want to say than you just play same level than him everyday on ladder so i don't see why you'll support e-sport anymore now, this game loosing his soul and doesn't interest me so much anymore with game like that.


Wait what ?

Cheesing in OSL, yeah we never seen that before ... right ... Perhaps we should ask JD dunno just to name one.
To me that only made OSL have more soul.

Just read the topic for a moment and come to understand why Maru chose to cheese, if you understand that then you can respect his choice.

Innovation has 2 major weaknesses.
# getting killed early. (he often plays very macro greedy)
# Mentality (when a player get's in his head, he starts to make mistakes)

Looks to me Maru deserves props for abusing both those and play from his strength then instead of that of Innovation.

To some "fans" like you for instance, this play is not respected because you are selfish and want to see another type of game play that you yourself enjoy watching.
Not to say that's bad but let's be honest Maru played to win not to entertain.

Now i do fail to see what this has to do with not supporting E-sports ?
Also, i wish i could cheese like Maru did on ladder It's supprisingly difficult.
xxxKagexxx
Profile Joined August 2012
France43 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 06:36:27
July 31 2013 06:28 GMT
#76
Edit ok i don't love this style i don't love maru but i'll say gg even if i really think anyone can do this and i'll never work on his kind of thing
seiya9
Profile Joined July 2013
United States2 Posts
July 31 2013 06:35 GMT
#77
On July 31 2013 09:12 painkilla wrote:
Bomber, please kick that smug Rain out of the OSL. Then this would be the best season ever. Thank you very much!

Ain't gonna happen.
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 06:40:17
July 31 2013 06:40 GMT
#78
Cool, now Bomber has to win his match :D
seiya9
Profile Joined July 2013
United States2 Posts
July 31 2013 06:45 GMT
#79
On July 31 2013 09:28 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 09:24 xAdra wrote:
On July 31 2013 09:12 painkilla wrote:
Bomber, please kick that smug Rain out of the OSL. Then this would be the best season ever. Thank you very much!

I'm probably overreacting here, but how the hell is Rain smug? His play and real life attitude both seem pretty damn honest to me. The smug ones are the Kespa fans.

Regarding this 4-0, I love innovation, but really, this is supposed to be an RTS game, and while innovation has mastered the "RT" part, he doesn't have the "S" part down pat. Glad that strategy shown over raw mechanical strength.


I'm rolling my eyes at you and not in good way.

Oh don't worry, your eyes will be rolling even more once Bomber hits his 'curse'. Kespa players are the best. They have a more professional understanding of RTS mechanics like micro and macro. Flash, Jaedong, Bisu>MVP, Nestea, MC.
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
July 31 2013 07:00 GMT
#80
I cheered for Maru, just like how I cheered for SjoW against Life. Hurray for the underdogs!
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