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Auction OSL - Maru vs. INnoVation - Ro4 Recap - Page 3

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althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
July 31 2013 01:07 GMT
#41
The most surprising thing about this was not the result or even the scoreline (although both of those were shocks), it was the fact that the games themseleves were as one-sided as the Nestea vs Inca final.
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ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
July 31 2013 01:16 GMT
#42
k, i can sleep through this season's OSL final ^__^
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 31 2013 01:19 GMT
#43
On July 31 2013 08:57 Orcasgt24 wrote:
I'm not convinced Innovation is the best player in the world anymore. His tendency to die to every early attack he faces should prevent the title of "The Best" for being applied to him. At the very least it should make the top of SC 2 a much more crowded position. He's still the single last player I want on the other side of the map after 15 minutes though.

I Liquibet Maru because I figured he would be able to cheese Innovation 2 or 3 times and then win 1 or 2 macroish games. Never would have thought 4-0


There's nobody better than him at the moment, and he's defended against early pressure/cheese builds multiple times.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 31 2013 01:26 GMT
#44
Innovation too much of a killer robot T_T
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mythandier
Profile Joined January 2011
United States828 Posts
July 31 2013 01:27 GMT
#45
Great writeup Zealously.

Happy to see Prime advance ^^
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 01:42:01
July 31 2013 01:41 GMT
#46
On July 31 2013 09:32 asdfOu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 09:19 DavoS wrote:
I'm pretty late to this party, but #PrimeFaith

ahh shit the word is gettin around #primefaith
i wouldn't really call the first two games cheeses, but rather well executed all ins


Can we start #starpride for the next semi?
cletas
Profile Joined June 2011
139 Posts
July 31 2013 01:44 GMT
#47
Game #3 was so perfect. Now we just need bomber to pull through...
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 01:50:34
July 31 2013 01:46 GMT
#48
Saying he "lacks a bit in the strategic department" sounds pretty weird. From what I read preceding that, it sounds like he actually just has some room to improve with stopping one base cheesing in TvT, lol. This sweeping allusion to a linear strategy vs mechanics dichotomy .. I dunno about that. The claim used just doesn't sound right?
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thekoalaz
Profile Joined October 2011
United States109 Posts
July 31 2013 01:52 GMT
#49
Is Maru a Royal Roader?
CioSc2
Profile Joined May 2013
Spain5 Posts
July 31 2013 01:58 GMT
#50
I totaly agree, Only game 3 was a ''cheese'' builds. Games 1 and 2 where more what I would call agressive 1 base timings.
G4 would´ve been a macro game if innovation wouldnt had F/up and roasted all of his marines in his first push of the whole series.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1057 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 02:00:39
July 31 2013 01:59 GMT
#51
On July 31 2013 10:06 MrCon wrote:
More than a cheese serie, it was a outmicro serie.

Agreed. I remember watching Maru vs Symbol last week and being really impressed by the marine splits vs banelings. Then came Innovation vs Soulkey and while Innovation did a lot of great things, his micro (especially marine splits vs banelings) seemed significantly worse than Maru's.

Maru played to his own strengths against Innovation and took all four games convincingly because of it.


edit: Maru is a royal roader in the OSL, but not GSL or WCS.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 31 2013 02:05 GMT
#52
I'm really happy to see players utilizing strategy more in a series like Mvp, sounds like Maru picked apart Bogus at his weak spots.
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
July 31 2013 02:12 GMT
#53
On July 31 2013 11:05 Targe wrote:
I'm really happy to see players utilizing strategy more in a series like Mvp, sounds like Maru picked apart Bogus at his weak spots.

maybe he had a little help from his german friend

I found the moving out in g4 a bit weird from innovation. But i guess it's mostly nerves and his reminder to dat finals.
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AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
July 31 2013 02:12 GMT
#54
Great write up!~~,,,but the first two games were not cheeses....they were all ins I think....

Really Terran only has two cheese builds: proxy 2 rax into bunkers and proxy marauder with conc shells....

Innovation was terrible last night with scouting...

That said...What a beautiful series, such a story!!~~ Maru was super!!~~
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
July 31 2013 02:28 GMT
#55
If the STX money troubles is real, then I am willing to bet that Innonvation practiced nothing but PL for the past few weeks. The guy's job is on the line. But to Maru's credit, he excuted well.
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
July 31 2013 02:41 GMT
#56
On July 31 2013 11:28 forumtext wrote:
If the STX money troubles is real, then I am willing to bet that Innonvation practiced nothing but PL for the past few weeks. The guy's job is on the line. But to Maru's credit, he excuted well.

I find it hard to believe INnoVation didn't prepare at least a little bit for this match, but I can't explain why INnoVation played pretty greedily considering Maru's track record of cheesing and after the first 2 games his lack of thorough scouting just confused me. But it's easy to be super hard on him I guess considering he lost 4-0, so you're right he doesnt deserve that much criticism.
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thekoalaz
Profile Joined October 2011
United States109 Posts
July 31 2013 02:42 GMT
#57
On July 31 2013 10:59 RenSC2 wrote:
edit: Maru is a royal roader in the OSL, but not GSL or WCS.


Thanks!

From the interview it seems that he could make the youngest OSL Royal Roader in history. :O
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
July 31 2013 03:03 GMT
#58
On July 31 2013 10:52 thekoalaz wrote:
Is Maru a Royal Roader?


Maybe for OSL, but if you count GSL then he is the anti royal roader, he played in the first GSL ever
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Fix637
Profile Joined February 2011
United States256 Posts
July 31 2013 03:07 GMT
#59
I'm really happy for Maru and shocked at just how badly Innovation got steamrolled. It wasn't even close.

I'm sure Innovation will win the Season 2 finals, especially because he'll never fail to prepare again after experiencing such an embarrassing loss. At least if he's smart, which he obviously is.

I'm curious to see if Maru can take it. He's been in the SC2 scene for so long, fading in and out of the GSL for almost three years. It would be incredible if he won just because of how out of left field his sudden ascension through the OSL has been, even more so because he'll be the youngest Royal Roader in history.
Bogeyman
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden307 Posts
July 31 2013 03:12 GMT
#60
I was channeling my inner nerd, staying up playing some games, and as I went to sleep Maru vs Innovation started, and I turned it on to watch while I fell asleep. Then I proceeded to watch all four games. Holy shit Maru, I hope you win it all!
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