EPTAuction OSL - Maru vs. INnoVation - Ro4 Recap - Page 6
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heha
Australia425 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On July 31 2013 20:43 Seiju wrote: Even though the skill level of Maru (and of INnoVation as well) is far beyond any question, don't you guys regret to see cheesing be rewarded even at the highest level? All things equal I will always support the guy who macroes against the one who cheeses, i.e who plays dirty to secure an easier win. Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting Maru couldn't have won without it. I'm just a little skeptical on the efficiency of cheesy tactics. Winning is all that really matters in a series such as this one. Maru might have indeed used cheese, but it's up to Innovation to play carefully and not be greedy, especially since Innovation has the reputation to be a true macro monster. To be fair, there's no reason to try to beat someone on their own terms. So there was no reason for Maru to try to best Innovation in a macro game; he had to try something else. Preparation, mind games and early cheese work well against macro-oriented players who are known to open with greedy builds. Arguably, opening with greedy builds is cheese in itself as someone playing standard will be behind. @aando, thanks for clearing it up. I knew of the player but I didn't understand why there was a reference to him | ||
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fatalbino
Canada11 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
Good on him, spunky lil tike. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Cartman_
119 Posts
On July 31 2013 20:54 heha wrote: Heyo, not sure if this is correct, but I think it's Gwanganri Beach? Nope, it's Gwangalli beach : https://maps.google.fr/maps?q=gwangalli beach&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=fr&sa=N&tab=wl | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19333 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On July 31 2013 16:21 opterown wrote: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDYzNTA5MjI4.html here are the two games i think Holy balls, that defense was insane. That was like, WoW arena micro | ||
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The_Masked_Shrimp
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Random_0
United States1163 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Ctesias
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penguin8r
United States10 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
But it was a build ESF veterans know for long, the TvT metagame went from open season like to greed and then in 2012, when xel naga fortress was in the pool (just to illustrate the period of time) those kind of very late expo builds were standard for some time, usually with a proxied starport, but very often they ended up in a normal game. It's cheese but it's not cheese at the same time, as the build can recover well if you're scouted. Game 3 was cheese obviously. I don't understand, Inno scouted his natural, which is one of the rarest spot of proxy, then he bring back his scv to mine to CC first >< Double greed one could say. | ||
banjoetheredskin
United States744 Posts
On July 31 2013 20:43 Seiju wrote: Even though the skill level of Maru (and of INnoVation as well) is far beyond any question, don't you guys regret to see cheesing be rewarded even at the highest level? All things equal I will always support the guy who macroes against the one who cheeses, i.e who plays dirty to secure an easier win. Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting Maru couldn't have won without it. I'm just a little skeptical on the efficiency of cheesy tactics. What? Playing dirty? He didnt sleep with innovations sister before the match. Damn thats harsh. You think that cheesing is playing dirty? This is a strategy game. A strategy is a fucking strategy. God forbid someone does a strategy that doesnt rely on skill in a long term game. God forbid someone uses a strategy that fits their aggressive playstyle and excellent micro. God forbid the best player in the world loses because his opponent outplayed him with great strategy. Stop whining about cheese, you're probably just mad that you never win against cheese on the ladder. You make it sound like maru's play was dirty because he essentially knew he wasnt going to lose playing the way he did, but that's dishonorable because he should have played a macro game that he knew innovation would beat him in. This is pathetic at how bitchy people get at cheese, it's a goddamn strategy game. All strategies are allowed and should be respected. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
 I like to think it's all because I gave you a Hwaiting! when I met you at Mok-dong.  Anyways, Prime and eSF apparently still alive and kicking! | ||
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bosnia
Canada223 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Watch Maru vs Symbol for the best widow mine micro, this was insane. Split them, burrow them while microing his troops, then watch Flash in his code A match yesterday or even Inno vs Soulkey to compare. Maru's micro was insane. In fact he actually micro his mines as opposed to more or less randomly burrowing them (or not burrowing them in Flash's case :O). | ||
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rikudo74
3 Posts
the best overall is immvp | ||
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rikudo74
3 Posts
dont know to who to cheer bomber or maru | ||
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