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NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 12:24:29
June 01 2013 12:21 GMT
#21
Cut Soulkey some slack will ya? First Hots GSL champion. Coming back FOUR in a row games. Coming back against Innovation, who beat Life, Symbol, Roro and was on a rampage vs zerg. Some people.

Great OP btw.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
June 01 2013 12:25 GMT
#22
Honestly, I don't know why people in the LR thread were so critical about the games, and saying that Innovation threw it. The way I saw it, it was a great series, and eventually Soulkey was the stronger player, throwing Innovation off with his preparations and mind games. So I'll respond to the negativity with what I saw as the positives:

1. Soulkey's drone scout and proxy 2-rax defence

Saw how Soulkey drone scout in the games after dying to a proxy 2-rax in Game 1? Now, that's called learning, and the fact that it paid off in Game 6, showed how disciplined Soulkey was.

And that hatch cancel in Game 6? That was also Soulkey learning.

And why shit on the games? JD early pool rush Flash in one of the finals, winning one, losing one. It may be disappointing how short the games were, but I thought it was brilliantly played by both players. I think at high levels of plays, pro players are so of equal skill that they need to throw cheesy builds at each other. It's all about the mind games. Soulkey won today, fair and square, when it mattered. And I enjoyed the beauty of it; not by what played out in the screen itself, but what played in the players' head. The true beauty lies in the meta-game.


2. Soulkey's drop defence

We saw glimpses of this in Game 2 which he lost, and we saw it repeated in game 7. It completely nullified Innovation's harassment, wasted his precious resources, and allowed Soulkey to tech up and expand safely. Even before the mutas were out, Soulkey had the slight supply advantage, and more importantly, the psychological advantage (of shutting down the hellbat drops that others would just roll over and die too completely). Innovation knew this, and he had to make something happened, hence the medivac drop.

While people scoff this as being foolish, I think it was a fair calculated risk, given Soulkey's lead, and that such a lead on a map like Daybreak would build up exponentially. He moved in when he thought Soulkey's muta was attacking his main. Innovation believed that his drop at Soulkey's main would deal more damage, or at least force the mutas to come back (and by that time, his medivac boost would be ready). But Soulkey saw this coming, and intercepted with his mutas.

'Doom drops' like this happened all the time in games like this. If Innovation had pulled it off, we would all be going ga-ga over it. It was almost like Jangbi 2-base carrier comeback against Fantasy in the 2nd last OSL. His sneak attack at Fantasy's main was a gamble, but he knew it was the only way he could break Fantasy's contain and get back into the game. Pro players make risky moves all the time. Sometimes it works, sometime it doesn't. If we regard all failed risky moves as silly, then we wouldn't have epic games, pimpest plays, and the game would be much less richer and exciting. Be glad, rather than sad, that Innovation did what he did.
gg no re thx
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 01 2013 12:25 GMT
#23
On June 01 2013 20:33 iKill wrote:
People are sure to cry OMG SPOILERS about that headline. I like it, though.

Gratz to Soulkey for a great performance and a good comeback.

Serves those peasants exactly what they deserve for living in a time zone not favorable to gomtv :D
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
June 01 2013 12:26 GMT
#24
i wanted innovation to win this so bad ... congratz to soulkey tho !
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Kiran
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany52 Posts
June 01 2013 12:28 GMT
#25
On June 01 2013 21:14 xXxUnseenxXx wrote:
zerg... nothing more i can say

balance whine after innovation has a 77% winrate, that was even higher before he choked is deninitely immature and absolutely not necessary. winning 4 games in a row with that amount of pressure is a huge accomplishment to say the least! In SPL Pro League, zerg is also still underperforming nevertheless.
Fungal Storm of green glue!
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
June 01 2013 12:31 GMT
#26
Man does Soulkey look happy or what?
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Powerfoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada167 Posts
June 01 2013 12:31 GMT
#27
With the fans, the experts, and the bookies all calling it in Innovation's favor—one had to think it was more marketing than truth when GomTV's Korean casters gave Soulkey the nod in the finals.


If GomTV's Korean casters aren't what TeamLiquid's writers consider "experts" then I don't know what to say.
NOW YOU SEE?
00higgo
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia119 Posts
June 01 2013 12:33 GMT
#28
ggs, now toss can be buffed
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
June 01 2013 12:34 GMT
#29
good writeup, though it seems non zerg writers label every form of roach ling bane as allin when it really isnt
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
June 01 2013 12:35 GMT
#30
On June 01 2013 21:31 Powerfoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
With the fans, the experts, and the bookies all calling it in Innovation's favor—one had to think it was more marketing than truth when GomTV's Korean casters gave Soulkey the nod in the finals.


If GomTV's Korean casters aren't what TeamLiquid's writers consider "experts" then I don't know what to say.


Before the games, I would give Innovation a 55-45 chance of winning. People were making it seem more like 70-30 or 80-20. I think most people underrated Soulkey, and now seem to be venting their frustrations on the quality of the games, and making it seem like Innovation lost it rather than Soulkey won it - which is rather unfair, I think.
gg no re thx
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts
June 01 2013 12:38 GMT
#31
Bah.... Poor Bogus

But GRATZ SOULKEY!

ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Kiran
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany52 Posts
June 01 2013 12:40 GMT
#32
On June 01 2013 21:35 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:31 Powerfoe wrote:
With the fans, the experts, and the bookies all calling it in Innovation's favor—one had to think it was more marketing than truth when GomTV's Korean casters gave Soulkey the nod in the finals.


If GomTV's Korean casters aren't what TeamLiquid's writers consider "experts" then I don't know what to say.


Before the games, I would give Innovation a 55-45 chance of winning. People were making it seem more like 70-30 or 80-20. I think most people underrated Soulkey, and now seem to be venting their frustrations on the quality of the games, and making it seem like Innovation lost it rather than Soulkey won it - which is rather unfair, I think.


well... after innovation stomping soulkey in pro league and being so dominant against zerg, i sincerely doubt, that the predicitons of the korean casters were more than a marketing hype... especially because inno nearly stomped soulkey again, but well.... in soccer there´s a saying that the game is 90 minutes long...and this time the war went on 7 rounds and not 3.... :D
Fungal Storm of green glue!
anatase
Profile Joined May 2010
France532 Posts
June 01 2013 12:42 GMT
#33
wow soulkey
Did not expect it, GG!
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
June 01 2013 12:44 GMT
#34
Congrats to Soulkey for achieving an impressive comeback.

Now I'll go and continue to cry in a corner over Innovation's loss.
Flash | Mvp
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
June 01 2013 12:45 GMT
#35
On June 01 2013 21:35 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:31 Powerfoe wrote:
With the fans, the experts, and the bookies all calling it in Innovation's favor—one had to think it was more marketing than truth when GomTV's Korean casters gave Soulkey the nod in the finals.


If GomTV's Korean casters aren't what TeamLiquid's writers consider "experts" then I don't know what to say.


Before the games, I would give Innovation a 55-45 chance of winning. People were making it seem more like 70-30 or 80-20. I think most people underrated Soulkey, and now seem to be venting their frustrations on the quality of the games, and making it seem like Innovation lost it rather than Soulkey won it - which is rather unfair, I think.


people on tl do this shit all the time when their favorites don't win. standard stuff that's not to be taken seriously
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
June 01 2013 12:45 GMT
#36
On June 01 2013 21:40 Kiran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:35 RKC wrote:
On June 01 2013 21:31 Powerfoe wrote:
With the fans, the experts, and the bookies all calling it in Innovation's favor—one had to think it was more marketing than truth when GomTV's Korean casters gave Soulkey the nod in the finals.


If GomTV's Korean casters aren't what TeamLiquid's writers consider "experts" then I don't know what to say.


Before the games, I would give Innovation a 55-45 chance of winning. People were making it seem more like 70-30 or 80-20. I think most people underrated Soulkey, and now seem to be venting their frustrations on the quality of the games, and making it seem like Innovation lost it rather than Soulkey won it - which is rather unfair, I think.


well... after innovation stomping soulkey in pro league and being so dominant against zerg, i sincerely doubt, that the predicitons of the korean casters were more than a marketing hype... especially because inno nearly stomped soulkey again, but well.... in soccer there´s a saying that the game is 90 minutes long...and this time the war went on 7 rounds and not 3.... :D


Stomp in SPL? I didn't watch the recent game, but people were describing it as a closely-fought macro game. Sure, Innovation had the momentum, and again, I would've given him the edge. In footballing terms, it would be like the Bayern-Dortmund CL finals. Everyone was raving how Bayern would roll over Dortmund. They didn't. They won, but it was a close match, that could've gone to Dortmund.
gg no re thx
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
June 01 2013 12:49 GMT
#37
On June 01 2013 21:45 theMagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:35 RKC wrote:
On June 01 2013 21:31 Powerfoe wrote:
With the fans, the experts, and the bookies all calling it in Innovation's favor—one had to think it was more marketing than truth when GomTV's Korean casters gave Soulkey the nod in the finals.


If GomTV's Korean casters aren't what TeamLiquid's writers consider "experts" then I don't know what to say.


Before the games, I would give Innovation a 55-45 chance of winning. People were making it seem more like 70-30 or 80-20. I think most people underrated Soulkey, and now seem to be venting their frustrations on the quality of the games, and making it seem like Innovation lost it rather than Soulkey won it - which is rather unfair, I think.


people on tl do this shit all the time when their favorites don't win. standard stuff that's not to be taken seriously


Yeah, but we just watched an epic comeback, and a well-planned and well-executed one by Soulkey. Painful as it to be an Innovation fan, it was a massive victory for e-sports. A bit sad if fans can't appreciate the ocassion.
gg no re thx
00higgo
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia119 Posts
June 01 2013 12:51 GMT
#38
On June 01 2013 21:45 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:40 Kiran wrote:
On June 01 2013 21:35 RKC wrote:
On June 01 2013 21:31 Powerfoe wrote:
With the fans, the experts, and the bookies all calling it in Innovation's favor—one had to think it was more marketing than truth when GomTV's Korean casters gave Soulkey the nod in the finals.


If GomTV's Korean casters aren't what TeamLiquid's writers consider "experts" then I don't know what to say.


Before the games, I would give Innovation a 55-45 chance of winning. People were making it seem more like 70-30 or 80-20. I think most people underrated Soulkey, and now seem to be venting their frustrations on the quality of the games, and making it seem like Innovation lost it rather than Soulkey won it - which is rather unfair, I think.


well... after innovation stomping soulkey in pro league and being so dominant against zerg, i sincerely doubt, that the predicitons of the korean casters were more than a marketing hype... especially because inno nearly stomped soulkey again, but well.... in soccer there´s a saying that the game is 90 minutes long...and this time the war went on 7 rounds and not 3.... :D


Stomp in SPL? I didn't watch the recent game, but people were describing it as a closely-fought macro game. Sure, Innovation had the momentum, and again, I would've given him the edge. In footballing terms, it would be like the Bayern-Dortmund CL finals. Everyone was raving how Bayern would roll over Dortmund. They didn't. They won, but it was a close match, that could've gone to Dortmund.

soccer and sc2 should not be compared imo xD, sc2 is exciting....
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
June 01 2013 12:54 GMT
#39
On June 01 2013 21:49 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 21:45 theMagus wrote:
On June 01 2013 21:35 RKC wrote:
On June 01 2013 21:31 Powerfoe wrote:
With the fans, the experts, and the bookies all calling it in Innovation's favor—one had to think it was more marketing than truth when GomTV's Korean casters gave Soulkey the nod in the finals.


If GomTV's Korean casters aren't what TeamLiquid's writers consider "experts" then I don't know what to say.


Before the games, I would give Innovation a 55-45 chance of winning. People were making it seem more like 70-30 or 80-20. I think most people underrated Soulkey, and now seem to be venting their frustrations on the quality of the games, and making it seem like Innovation lost it rather than Soulkey won it - which is rather unfair, I think.


people on tl do this shit all the time when their favorites don't win. standard stuff that's not to be taken seriously


Yeah, but we just watched an epic comeback, and a well-planned and well-executed one by Soulkey. Painful as it to be an Innovation fan, it was a massive victory for e-sports. A bit sad if fans can't appreciate the ocassion.


completely agree with you. this finals was a nailbiter!
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Negius
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands290 Posts
June 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#40
It was not as flashy as I hoped, but the final scoreline was.
I'm really upset about INnoVation losing, but you've got to give Soulkey credit for handling a 0-3 deficit so well.

Both players looked strong and weak at the same time, they probably felt the pressure from their first final. I'm hoping they will both be back even stronger for the WCS Finals next week.

Until then, Soulkey is now the best player in the world (another Zerg... when does it stop...), but hey, in SC2, things like that change so quickly.

Hoping for a Terran win at the WCS Finals.
[Terran] mvp | maru | innovation | mma [Protoss] mc | squirtle [Zerg] nestea | soo
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