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Canada5062 Posts
[EDIT] Added some more info at the bottom. GOGOGO!!!
They held the group selection process for the next OGN Starleague coming up next week (kinda overlaps with the WCG, but I guess that's why they're called professional gamers...). If you're not familiar with the format yet, here's how it works:
1. The top three finishers from the last Starleague get seeds (i.e. they all get assigned separately to the head of Groups A - C). So, you have [Oops]Reach, Boxer and Yellow in Groups A, B, C, respectively.
2. The winner of the Challenge League (in this case Xellos[yG]) also gets a seed and is assigned top position in Group D.
3. Starting with Reach, each player take turns selecting one player from among the pool of qualifiers from the Duel Tournament.
4. The players who first got selected by the seeded players then, in turn, make their own selections and so on until all 16 players have been assigned to one of the four Groups.
5. There is a blanket condition that there may not be more than 2 players of the same race in one Group. This rule had a very mighty impact on the composition of one of the Groups, as will become apparent...
Ok, so without further ado, here's how the selection process went:
Group A: [Oops]Reach (P) -> ElkY (T) -> HOT_Forever (Z) -> [Red]Nada (T)
Group B: SlayerS_`BoxeR` (T) -> [Oops]Lee (T) -> Garimto (P) -> Jinnam (Z)
Group C: Yellow (Z) -> [Kor]Oddysay (T) -> [z-zone]KOs (T) -> [Soul]Chojja (Z)
Group D: Xellos[yG] (T) -> Mumyung (Z) -> Sync (T) -> Junwi (Z)
It's a matter of picking your poison really, all the Groups looking tough, as usual. But, rub your eyes and blink twice folks, your eyes do not deceive you: Group A looks to be perhaps the deadliest Group ever seen in Starleague history. Oh, my. So, what controlled substance was HOT on today that could have made him select, of all players, the most feared SC-meister on the planet right now? Well, it really wasn't his choice: only Nada and three Z users were left when it came time for HOT to make his selection, BUT all the other Groups after him had already hit their quota of Terrans. C'est la vie! (Once his predicament became apparent, HOT looked like he just ate a live frog and was about to throw up, poor guy...)
All the players were interviewed about their choices and I'll post an update on this thread soon giving you the juicy details... (see below)
[EDIT] Some notes from the selection ceremony:
- Reach (speaking through HOT 'cause he could't be there in person) said he picked ElkY because his own mass strats + ElkY's "miserable/wretched style" of play (a playful reference to the fact that ElkY's games tend to end up being fierce, drawn-out affairs, with multiple crises for ElkY and almost all map resources expended) should hopefully equal a very good, a very pitched, and a very loooong match.
- While most others were busy playing diplomat and coming up with tongue-in-cheek reasons for their choices while being careful not to offend anyone, here's Boxer's stated reasoning behind his choice of [Oops]Lee: "I'll be busy with the WCG and won't have as much time to prepare for the OGN Starleague. I wanted to make sure my opponent was someone who couldn't take advantage of that himself. I also wanted to avoid Zerg and Protoss as much as possible to cut down on prep time 'cause I'm already very familiar with how Terran strats and build-orders work. Lee is a logical choice because he's Terran and the pro team he's in ("POS team") is not very large and that should make things more difficult for him in terms of practice and preparation." Hey, what can I say? The guy's not the Terran Emperor for nothing.
- [Oops]Lee's classic response to Boxer's comments: "Hey, I woulda picked me, too!" Had the crowd roaring with laughter.
- Yellow's primary concern was to avoid as much as possible someone from the same IS team. Oddysay, picking up on this, played agent provocateur and purposely picked [z-zone]KOs, who happens to be on the IS team. Whatta guy. When goaded by the OGN commentators "Wouldn't it have been cooler if you'd picked Nada instead? It'd still screw the IS team, but just way cooler, don't you think?" Oddysay's response: "Uh, I think one storm is enough..." (a clever reference to Yellow's title as "The Storm Zerg" and Nada's as "The Tornado Terran.")
- Xellos just wanted a Z because of his strong bio, while Mumyung (IS team) played diplomat again by stating he just wanted to avoid the remaining Ts on the same team, Nada and KOs.
- [Oops]Lee also joined the diplomatic corp by saying he picked Garimto because he has some good toss practice partners on his POS team (including ProNT_Sonjjang) and that he always did well v P - in practice games. SURE. Guess it had nothing to do with the fact that Garimto now has a full-time job at a game development company and that he's got NO TIME to practice with anyone anymore, much less any MOTIVATION to win? As I wrote once before: diplomacy reached shamefully scandalous heights that day. Garimto isn't a pro gamer anymore. He's dead in the water, imo.
- After being chosen by default, Nada was asked about his rumored "weakness" v Starcraft_Side (Z) ("Joo Jin-chul"), forU (aka [Dak]ddong) (P) ("Lee Jae-hoon") and Oddysay (T) ("Han Woong-yol"). Nada's reply: "It's all true." To be fair, Nada does seem to be over the Starcraft_Side jinx. But the other two really have Nada's number: Oddy knocked out Nada from the WCG prelims and forU's made so many unbelieveable comebacks on Nada it's not even funny. Yes, it is possible to comeback v Nada - you just to be like Jae-hoon, that's all. Why they dominate v the most devastating player in the world is still somewhat of a mystery...
- Before choosing, Garimto states on the podium that his Group seemed to be made up of "old-timers," players who've been pro for a while now, and so he wants to pick someone who would complete this theme. With only Jinnam, Chojja and Junwi remaining, the camera suddenly focuses on Jinnam's startled face and people start laughing their heads off. The OGN commentators get into it and facetiously start asking each other "Gee, I wonder who Garimto's gonna pick?" Fun stuff.
- KOs had a choice between Chojja and Junwi. Now, Junwi's a rising star these days whose skills have improved geometrically since joining the HanbitStars pro team, but the experience and "proven-under-fire" factor logically goes to Chojja (still the holder of the "Man with the Fastest Hands in SC" title). But, KOs wasn't thinking about such silly things. He was just miffed that he got stuck in the same Group as his teammate Yellow. So, in the true sportsman's spirit of doing unto others as they do unto you, he picked Chojja and sent Junwi into the same Group as Junwi's teammate Sync, "just so they know how it feels." CATFIGHT!
- Junwi, true to his tender age, answered all questions "yes" or "no." I'm not sure, but I believe the OGN commentators may have wanted to choke the guy.
- Neo Vertigo will not be used in the next Starleague. It will be replaced by "Avant Garde 2," an updated version of the original that was used back in the Freechal days. We'll see how it turns out. Should be fun tho - LOTS of resources.
- The winner of the "Most Popular With the Girls" award goes to Jinnam, hands down. The screams of joy from the girls when Jinnam came on the podium were deafening.
- Group A is the obvious Group of Death, but Group D is for "DEADPAN." A sorrier bunch of cold, emotionless, frozen-faced pro gamers you will not see anywhere in the universe. OMG.
That's all folks. I'm outta here... 
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Netherlands2766 Posts
Seriously.. The background infromation in your posts rocks.
LexOr 
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Great system. And it also is a nice general indicator of the current reputation/fear-factor towards each-other within the elite pro-gamer community.
Nada was the last picked terran. Not surprise.
Elky was picked first. Diss!
Junwi was last picked Zerg. I have high expectations for him at WCG.
Interesting Elky picked HOT ahead of many other Zergs, any one know why?
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ThX again for greath news Mensrea!!! =) =) =)
Allways up to date her at Liquid!!!
It going to be some bad ass fighting inn group A!!!
Going to love NaDa Vs ElKy TvT gosus are fun!!!!
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yes I know why Elky picked HOT ^^ It is because wwhen Elky was trying to make it in KOrea, he beat HOT 4:1 if I remember in a best of 5 game. That is actually what made him attractive to the sponsors, his rapings of HOT ^^ Maybe he thinks he can still put a nice 5:0 or 3:0 in HOT's face ^^ We'll see wassup ^^
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Canada5062 Posts
On October 25 2002 19:14 NoName wrote:
Nada was the last picked terran. Not surprise.
Elky was picked first. Diss!
Junwi was last picked Zerg. I have high expectations for him at WCG.
Interesting Elky picked HOT ahead of many other Zergs, any one know why?
Elky owns HOT in all the ways a player can own another in this game. Elky's dominance over HOT is so complete that HOT has been known to go Protoss against Elky in practice games - just can't beat him with Zerg.
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I wonder if elky knew about that rule about 2 of a race max in one group. He could've picked kos, and hot still mightve been around for the next pick. Even if he wasn't I'm sure elky has a better chance against kos and jinnam/chojja/junwi than against hot and nada. hot is sure in a tough position, has to go up against the previous OGN winner, the best player in the world, and his arch nemesis.
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Holy Shit!
This is the toughest tournament I have ever seen in the history of my starcraft playing, every single player has a huge chance of winning this, whereas the maps are better than ever. This will be on fucking insane tournament.
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Netherlands2766 Posts
Dreame .. what do u mean by the maps being great? The KPGA maps are far more balanced I think..
LexOr
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every player really good but B group is one man show i think... [oops]lee is incalculable and so is jinnam.... garimto isn't as good as he was once... my guess on this is garimto will go 0-3 boxer 3-0 jinnam 2-1 lee 1-2
Anyone know why jinnam was picked so late ?
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I think Lee picked Garmito more to spite Boxer than in hope to win himself, I mean... Lee is screwed, imo, and maybe he realised this as well.
I don't think that group A is QUITE the killer group, I mean, the names are big but I don't think the outcome will be very suprising, I'd have to go with Reach and Nada on this one.
As a matter of fact, I think Group D is quite an interesting group. Nothing is given here, Xellos has a lot to prove and so has Junwi, and they are all except Sync not between the most famous of gosus... I think we can expect quite some suprises here.
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I think Elky chose HOT486 because if he had choose a T player to have the 2 T players, probably the T player would have taken a P player and elky didnt want 2 P player for sure.
If it wasn't his intention, i really don't understand why he did that :/
 -----> I tough Garimto stopped to play huh?
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He's stopping after this, me thinks.
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I you had read carefully this article you would have known that Kos and Sync were allready selected. Elky has the choice between Nada and 4 zergs.
So he choose H.O.T who is on the same team as Reach and who selected elky in first pick for Reach because he wasn't there.
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Oh boy, this is gonna be really exciting
GW mensrea. Me  You.
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so hot has to face 2 of the 3 best tvz's in the world.
then face the defending ogn champ and best pvz in the world.
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elky beat hot with an ugly stick so many times i can't count
Funny though.
listen to this.
elky was most feared terran last ogn season, last player picked, quote "so deadly in big tournaments" (source unknown), he got 4th, not bad, so more people want a piece of him now? =[
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United States33388 Posts
Looks like nada will kill everyone 
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wow your posts always impress me
nice work!
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Like always, a very informative and conclusive post.  I was wondering if u knew if there were vods of this selection process were available on the net??
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Norway28665 Posts
gogo superhero mensrea~~!!
group a is so amazingly strong.
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Ahh good job with the extra info. Marry me!
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
predictions:
group A reach and nada, elky goes 0-3
group B boxer and jinnam
group C yellow and oddysay
group D sync and junwi
group of 8:
group A nada and yellow
group B boxer and sync
semifinal:
group A nada
group B yellow
Final:
nada defeats yellow
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France1270 Posts
My compatriot Saint-Clair remark raised a question: who picked first in the second round, group A or D ? In clear Elky picked before MuMyung or the opposite ?
Can anyone list the 16 players by team ?
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This is going to be so much fun!!!!
Thx Mensrea you do a superb job with posting news man!!!
Pliz stay her with use [FoReVeR]!!!
^_^
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zerg wins, and by zerg I mean, whichever race nada is playing.
Fox
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lol, rather confusing. Nada's zerg will probably be terran 
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Canada398 Posts
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elky, last picked last OGN season
"deadly in major matchs"
Placed 4th.
elky, first picked this season
hm
funny coincidence?
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...but Group D is for "DEADPAN." A sorrier bunch of cold, emotionless, frozen-faced pro gamers you will not see anywhere in the universe. OMG.
Don't say that, they might read it and get hurt. Or, wait a minute...
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Cyrax, well actually he was picked by Reach, yes. A strong protoss player knowing that Elky's weakest matchup is tvp  And in the last OGN season, they probably weren't quite sure of Elky's strengths anyway, who knows ^^; Who picked him last season? Zerg player?
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i obviously knew reach picked him
last season, jinnam picked him, cuz he he was the last player left.
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Canada5062 Posts
On October 26 2002 16:35 X)Benny wrote:
My compatriot Saint-Clair remark raised a question: who picked first in the second round, group A or D ? In clear Elky picked before MuMyung or the opposite ?
Can anyone list the 16 players by team ?
Group D picked first in the 2nd round.
HanbitStars: Reach, HOT, Sync, Junwi. (I believe Garimto used to be, but of course, he's no longer a pro).
IS ("Ideal Space"): Nada, Yellow, KOs, Mumyung. (Boxer formerly, but he quit right after his loss v Reach. His dad had some problems with the way the team was run, so...)
Others: POS (Lee), Hanaweb (Jinnam), iVenture (Elky), KTF Magic (Oddysay).
Xellos isn't pro yet, tho he was offered by KTF Magic: he wants to finish high school first. Chojja is pro, but not sure which team... Anyone know?
Hope this helps dispel some of the confusion.
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Chojjaa is in Soul team, mensrea i was still wondering if these u knew how to get vods of this selection process?
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Canada5062 Posts
As far as I know, Soul is the name of Chojja's clan, but not his pro team. I may be wrong on this, however.
Also, the VODs for the selection process is only available through re-runs on the OGN site broadcast (i.e. the live OGN broadcast). It's not available for dl/rip separately. In other words, you need an OGN membership to watch it again.
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France1270 Posts
<b class=quote>On October 27 2002 06:27 mensrea wrote:</B><BR>
Group D picked first in the 2nd round.
Thx Mensrea, this explains lots.
After 6 picks (half of the process) all the 8 T players had their group. Elky choose HOT, knowing at that point Nada had to be in his group anyway.
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hey mensrea, I have OGN membership but the live vods always lag for me. I was wondering if they had it saved somewhere else on the site. I've been looking everywhere including under the special section where they had the hanbit vs IS vods but I can't find the selection vods. If you can tell me where its located that would be great. thx
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Canada5062 Posts
I actually didn't think the vods for the selection ceremony would be available - I was wrong. After doing a bit of searching, found it here:
http://www.ongamenet.com/special/vod/index.asp
It's been divided into 4 parts (the top 4 vods on the vod list, 1 - 4). Enjoy.
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Thx alot mensrea, going through all that trouble...
It aint often u see an admin helping out so much, YOU ROCK! 
I was wondering since i saw yer nick name, what does it actually mean?
Btw, does any1 know how ppl manage to get the actual url for vods, I was wondering becuz normally ongamenet servers and gamax servers are so bloody slow..., so i wanna know how ppl get the actual url, so i can d/l using streambox...~
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United States33388 Posts
On October 27 2002 15:56 Penguin wrote: Thx alot mensrea, going through all that trouble... It aint often u see an admin helping out so much, YOU ROCK! I was wondering since i saw yer nick name, what does it actually mean? Btw, does any1 know how ppl manage to get the actual url for vods, I was wondering becuz normally ongamenet servers and gamax servers are so bloody slow..., so i wanna know how ppl get the actual url, so i can d/l using streambox...~
Actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea
go look it up in google 
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Actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea, hmmm...seems to be latin or something? Im open for translations  Thx for that Wax, but i was wondering if any1 knew any specific info on obtaining url's for vods...
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"No act is punishable unless it is performed with a criminal mind."
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Btw, anyone know methods for getting the vod sources for download. Watching them online is... sluggish although the connection I have is fast. OGN isn't the fastest usually :/
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Muh, are you asking for how to rip VODs? The Halpmeh guy had a guide for that, maybe he'll provide you with the link, or a text file, or whatever.
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Hmmn, Slippy, kinda. My problem is achieving the vod link from the bloated javaScript shit they have on the ogn page.
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
Hey, here is my method for ripping .asx or wmw links from http://www.ongamenet.com
Go http://www.ongamenet.com, login there using logins bwcom11 to bwcom20 pass 1111.
Then go to the VoDs section.
click to open VoD. Then look up its number (it shown at top of the window like here you can see "Next OnGameNet Starleague - Group Selection". You should point you mouse cursor to the inscription and it will give you a hint)
Then open new IE or Netscape or whatever browser u use window.
Type in: http://www.ongamenet.com/service/vod/ongameviewer.asp?no=HERE_GOES_NUMBER_OF_THE_VOD
Then hit "STOP" and SHOW HTML or VIEW SOURCE
there find a link to .asx files
u will get something like that:
/asx/ogn_sp/cyberYK_020925d__0.asx
Load your mighty StreamboxVCR
just add to the link above http://www.ongamenet.com, so complete link will look like
http://www.ongamenet.com/asx/ogn_sp/cyberYK_020925d__0.asx
Streambox must find .asf or .wmv files after he contacted .asx-link
That's it.
But wait, it's not THAT easy.
You will receive "File not found" server message :-)
Have no fear.
Just set up your Streambox to unlimited attempts and after 938403948304 attempts your file begins download.
If you are lucky enough u will d/l your files in 3-5 hours (if you have broadband of course).
In other case you should wait when gosu-rippers will post direct links from gamax at bw.com or other sites.
Thx for reading
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"Then look up its number (it shown at top of the window like here you can see "Next OnGameNet Starleague - Group Selection". You should point you mouse cursor to the inscription and it will give you a hint)"
Thx for that,paleman, but i didn't get that part could u explain more specifically plz,...cuz u cant see a no. in the little media player window...
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
Uff, it is so hard to explain something in foreign language...
When you click to the VOD link at Ongamenet Site a small window pops up. Like any window it has that blue thingy on top so u can drag it with mouse. Uhhh, don't think it's a better explanation then previous...
So, just hover your mouse cursor over it and it will give you a hint. And there is a number of a VOD showing in that window........
Hope i made some sense....
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4492 Posts
Privet Paleman, nakonec-to "nashi" s'uda dobralis'
-Mynock
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Mensrea's name is latin (Mens rea) and it basically stands for criminal intent of the mind or for you lawyers out there culpability. The quote on the other hand, "Actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea" would imply that Mensrea has committed criminal acts but they really were an accident because he didn't mean to.
Do tell Mensrea?
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Too bad that Elky's worst match-up is TvP I hope he will improve it and beat Reach.
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Canada5062 Posts
No comment. I take the Fifth. 
(I'll let you American lawyers out there xplain the meaning of the Fifth to the non-Americans here...)
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The "Fifth" refers to The Fifth Amendment of the American Constitution. Mensrea is referring to the very first sentence.
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury...."
It basically means you don't have to answer questions about your "infamous crime" in a local court.
- relapse
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
<b class=quote>On October 28 2002 16:06 Mynock wrote:</B><BR> Privet Paleman, nakonec-to "nashi" s'uda dobralis' -Mynock
, Mynock :-)
Ya zdes' s samogo na4ala, prosto molchal 
Mozhet sdelaem chto-nit' vmeste?
Ya imeyu v vidu site ^_^
Shas vot hosting ishu, potom budu zamorachivat'sya. Dvizhok est'.
V obshem esli chto icq 52869553
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France1270 Posts
It's quite cosmopolite here, we have english, korean, now some russian and latin, some french (Jusqu'ici tout va bien...), spanish sometimes... I love that international feeling!
Nanchate eigo SC site
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Canada5062 Posts
On October 29 2002 01:36 relapse wrote:
The "Fifth" refers to The Fifth Amendment of the American Constitution. Mensrea is referring to the very first sentence.
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury...."
It basically means you don't have to answer questions about your "infamous crime" in a local court.
- relapse
Uhm, well, when I said "I take the Fifth," I was actually thinking of the THIRD part about the right against self-incrimination - aka The Mark Furhman Defense. Oh, well, close enough...
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EPT
group A...
