The first infos on the WCS GrandFinal Prizepool were just announced by Blizzard.
"As the WCS comes to a close, it’s time for us to shift our focus from the journey to the destination. Earlier this week, we announced the format for the StarCraft II World Championship Series Global Finals. In two short months, 32 of the world’s best StarCraft II players will be traveling to China to compete for both country and a share of the $250,000 prize pool. The winner of the event will be taking home both the prestigious title of StarCraft II World Champion and a $100,000 cash prize."
I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
Pretty solid contribution from blizzard, especially considering the amount they threw at their national and continental qualifiers. And also considering they aren't in the arms race that valve and riot are stuck in.
On September 14 2012 22:28 opterown wrote: ooh not bad! biggest 1st place in sc2 so far i believe would've been nice for 500k pool though (200k for winner) haha
That would be mean, also prizepool is not everything xD
On September 14 2012 22:20 Schlurpi wrote: The first infos on the WCS GrandFinal Prizepool were just announced by Blizzard.
"As the WCS comes to a close, it’s time for us to shift our focus from the journey to the destination. Earlier this week, we announced the format for the StarCraft II World Championship Series Global Finals. In two short months, 32 of the world’s best StarCraft II players will be traveling to China to compete for both country and a share of the $250,000 prize pool. The winner of the event will be taking home both the prestigious title of StarCraft II World Champion and a $100,000 cash prize."
I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
Stop comparing individal prize pools and different games. The money is well spread in DotA2.
I think almost everyone expected something like that, good prizepool for an awesome tournament. I wonder what was the prizepool of WCS overally, it should be around 750K no? If you add all the travel cost that were paid by blizzard, they really invested a lot to make this tournament a real world championship.
The first infos on the WCS GrandFinal Prizepool were just announced by Blizzard.
"As the WCS comes to a close, it’s time for us to shift our focus from the journey to the destination. Earlier this week, we announced the format for the StarCraft II World Championship Series Global Finals. In two short months, 32 of the world’s best StarCraft II players will be traveling to China to compete for both country and a share of the $250,000 prize pool. The winner of the event will be taking home both the prestigious title of StarCraft II World Champion and a $100,000 cash prize."
I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
Stop comparing individal prize pools and different games. The money is well spread in DotA2.
Once again stop comparing the two.
I meant, its a well considered prizepool by blizzard. Its is still the highest first place we have seen so far. But not so high, that other tournaments look cheap, if compared.
Perfect prizepool. As someone said it doesn't crush the other tournaments but it's still a place to look at for the biggest win of the year. I do hope the spread is good as well.
Ok so about the prize pool, I have added evry event so far (National + Continental + Grand Finals) for a total of 711 000 USD, roughly. Some country in South America do not have prize pool in liquidpedia page. The other big chunk missing is the Asia Continental which as no prizepool announced as far as I know.
Also, add all the paid trips to this 711 000 USD plox.
The first infos on the WCS GrandFinal Prizepool were just announced by Blizzard.
"As the WCS comes to a close, it’s time for us to shift our focus from the journey to the destination. Earlier this week, we announced the format for the StarCraft II World Championship Series Global Finals. In two short months, 32 of the world’s best StarCraft II players will be traveling to China to compete for both country and a share of the $250,000 prize pool. The winner of the event will be taking home both the prestigious title of StarCraft II World Champion and a $100,000 cash prize."
I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
Stop comparing individal prize pools and different games. The money is well spread in DotA2.
Once again stop comparing the two.
I meant, its a well considered prizepool by blizzard. Its is still the highest first place we have seen so far. But not so high, that other tournaments look cheap, if compared.
It's by Blizzard so of course they want to make it look like the most legitimate tournament even though they're borrowing other organizations facilities and staff to run it.
It does have that WCG feel to it with all the regionals, continent finals and then finals etc.
When the focus is on the individuals opposed to team formats I don't have many problems with what we've seen thus far at the top. As Victor pointed out, the problem is with the spread usually.
Look at other individual sports like Tennis where the Grand Slam brings home 1.8 million to the winners then compare the scales and you'll see we're heading in the right direction.
On September 14 2012 22:47 SpiZe wrote: Ok so about the prize pool, I have added evry event so far (National + Continental + Grand Finals) for a total of 711 000 USD, roughly. Some country in South America do not have prize pool in liquidpedia page. The other big chunk missing is the Asia Continental which as no prizepool announced as far as I know.
Also, add all the paid trips to this 711 000 USD plox.
NICE PRIZE POOL
Thanks for doing this calculation!
And I think that the prize pool will be nice, not to little but not to much either.
On September 14 2012 22:47 SpiZe wrote: Ok so about the prize pool, I have added evry event so far (National + Continental + Grand Finals) for a total of 711 000 USD, roughly. Some country in South America do not have prize pool in liquidpedia page. The other big chunk missing is the Asia Continental which as no prizepool announced as far as I know.
Also, add all the paid trips to this 711 000 USD plox.
NICE PRIZE POOL
asia continentals is 60k, so the total in the end i guess is about 780k? very solid
Great prize pool ! I still can't believe there are no Korean terrans in this though. If there was even one to root for that would be so much better. I guess I will be cheering hard for Thorzain this weekend.
I'm glad they are not making it more top heavy, I know this is Blizzard's tournament and they have the right to pay out as much as they want for it but it would be a little annoying to have someone suddenly win 250k for one tournament while others like mvp/mc/nestea have been winning multiple tournaments for years to get to that point.
On September 14 2012 22:51 Dodgin wrote: I'm glad they are not making it more top heavy, I know this is Blizzard's tournament and they have the right to pay out as much as they want for it but it would be a little annoying to have someone suddenly win 250k for one tournament while others like mvp/mc/nestea have been winning multiple tournaments for years to get to that point.
conceivably, creator could, if he gets lucky: 10.5k from WCS KR 24K from WCS Asia 100K from WCS Global =125k ish
i think that's the max anyone can get from the WCS
North America: 120.000 South America: 44.600 Europe: 189.000 Oceania: 30.000 Asia: 125.980 Global Finals: 250.000 Total: 759.580
There was some missing or no price pool at all for some South American countries.
Now if you think about the 1,6 mill valve put into DotA 2, this is just under half, but keep in mind that Blizz pays for the travel to all of their events, they flew Tastosis across the world to try and get more attention to countries like the UK and Australia.
I think if we knew the prices of all the plane tickets it probably wouldn't be much different in total prize money than what valve did.
On September 14 2012 22:57 Torte de Lini wrote: Its no international, but very nice!
the prize pool is much more evenly spread than the international, plus 750k (x5 for the non-team aspect) is pretty solid ;D
On September 14 2012 22:59 Vindicare605 wrote: And now the speculation begins. who's going to win it!?
creator
Why is evenly spread good?
better support for the players, rather than for publicity imo, since atm prize winnings are the main source of income for most sc2 progamers (e.g. not many people get big salaries, maybe that will change soon though). top heavy is good for publicity, but it's harder to survive of if you're average-ish imo
On September 14 2012 22:57 Torte de Lini wrote: Its no international, but very nice!
the prize pool is much more evenly spread than the international, plus 750k (x5 for the non-team aspect) is pretty solid ;D
On September 14 2012 22:59 Vindicare605 wrote: And now the speculation begins. who's going to win it!?
creator
Why is evenly spread good?
Because if 1 guy wins it all you have 1 very rich person and a lot of people with very little.
If all the price money went to the winner, there would be no way for other people to work their way up to catch those guys because they just don't have the income to keep playing.
On September 14 2012 23:05 Hiea wrote: North America: 120.000 South America: 44.600 Europe: 189.000 Oceania: 30.000 Asia: 125.980 Global Finals: 250.000 Total: 759.580
There was some missing or no price pool at all for some South American countries.
Now if you think about the 1,6 mill valve put into DotA 2, this is just under half, but keep in mind that Blizz pays for the travel to all of their events, they flew Tastosis across the world to try and get more attention to countries like the UK and Australia.
I think if we knew the prices of all the plane tickets it probably wouldn't be much different in total prize money than what valve did.
Blizzard has done an awesome job with WCS, because of their emphasis on sustainability and support of existing tournament organizers. This prize pool is just another example. Can't wait to watch.
On September 14 2012 23:05 Hiea wrote: North America: 120.000 South America: 44.600 Europe: 189.000 Oceania: 30.000 Asia: 125.980 Global Finals: 250.000 Total: 759.580
There was some missing or no price pool at all for some South American countries.
Now if you think about the 1,6 mill valve put into DotA 2, this is just under half, but keep in mind that Blizz pays for the travel to all of their events, they flew Tastosis across the world to try and get more attention to countries like the UK and Australia.
I think if we knew the prices of all the plane tickets it probably wouldn't be much different in total prize money than what valve did.
plus dota2 is a 5-man sport ;D
Not mention it is horrible spread, WCS have spread money over many differend players which i find far better
On September 14 2012 23:24 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: $250,000, nice!
Would be awesome to see $1 million dollar prizepools though, or better yet $1 million for first place :D
before that happens though, GSL and the other premiers need to step it up too so that the WCS doesn't outlcass them by 20x :p $1M is unreasonable imo, i would much rather see that $1M spread worldwide rather than to a 1st place for more player support :p
1. Why they used flag of the Olympic team of Chinese Taipei rather than that of Republic of China? That blows.
2. How did they choose direct qualifications for national champions into WC? I kind of understand United States and Canada in NA region or People's Republic of China/South Korea/Republic of China but why France, Germany and Russia in EU? Because of the population? Seems like Sweden and Ukraine is more legitimate choice.
nimdil: USA sadly doesn't recognize Taiwan as country, and thus a big company like Blizzard could probably experience some problems if they used the RoC flag.
WCS is the right way to do huge tournament like this. Prizepool is spreaded all over the world to encourage players from everywhere. If WCS is one huge tournament with 1mil prize pool then it would have been much worse for SC2 esport scene. As much as I love korean players but offering the chance for everyone to win something is better.
On September 14 2012 23:05 Hiea wrote: North America: 120.000 South America: 44.600 Europe: 189.000 Oceania: 30.000 Asia: 125.980 Global Finals: 250.000 Total: 759.580
There was some missing or no price pool at all for some South American countries.
Now if you think about the 1,6 mill valve put into DotA 2, this is just under half, but keep in mind that Blizz pays for the travel to all of their events, they flew Tastosis across the world to try and get more attention to countries like the UK and Australia.
I think if we knew the prices of all the plane tickets it probably wouldn't be much different in total prize money than what valve did.
Valve flew every1 in aswell iirc. But that doesn't really matter, why would we bother comparing pricepools. Dota is a bigger game and it's played in a 5vs5 format. Can't we just be happy with this sick tournament?
On September 14 2012 22:32 Jetaap wrote: I think almost everyone expected something like that, good prizepool for an awesome tournament. I wonder what was the prizepool of WCS overally, it should be around 750K no? If you add all the travel cost that were paid by blizzard, they really invested a lot to make this tournament a real world championship.
Yeah WCS totals out at around 750,000$, + unknown travel costs.
Total premier tournaments prize pool for 2011 was 2260k $...
Right now Liquipadia lists 2154k $ for 2012 without the WCS finals and 2012 Blizzard Cup and 5 other listed tournaments.
This means the total prize pool for premier tournaments will go up this year. And this will happen thanks to blizzard, who went up from 143k in 2011 to over 800k in 2012 (safe to assume Blizzard Cup will have at least 40k $ prize pool I think).
Why isen't WCS Europe showcased in the top right part on TL? I think its preatty shitty they don't do it for WCS. Higher numbers @ WCS is good for everyone.
On September 15 2012 00:16 Ucs wrote: Why isen't WCS Europe showcased in the top right part on TL? I think its preatty shitty they don't do it for WCS. Higher numbers @ WCS is good for everyone.
Indeed, should have the countdown that they have for MLG and TSL etc.
On September 15 2012 00:16 Ucs wrote: Why isen't WCS Europe showcased in the top right part on TL? I think its preatty shitty they don't do it for WCS. Higher numbers @ WCS is good for everyone.
Indeed, should have the countdown that they have for MLG and TSL etc.
On September 14 2012 22:28 opterown wrote: ooh not bad! biggest 1st place in sc2 so far i believe would've been nice for 500k pool though (200k for winner) haha
yeah that would have been the international of SC2 (cause obvi theere's more ppl on a dota team so...)
On September 15 2012 00:16 Ucs wrote: Why isen't WCS Europe showcased in the top right part on TL? I think its preatty shitty they don't do it for WCS. Higher numbers @ WCS is good for everyone.
Do you mean right in the banner?
Because that space is for paid for advertising only.
On September 14 2012 22:20 Schlurpi wrote: I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
Dota2 may have a 1 Mill for the winner, but that has to be divided by six. Six players or 5 players and the clan. Also SC2 has an event with huge prize pool like every 3-4 weeks nowadays, Dota2 has like one per year.
On September 14 2012 23:24 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: $250,000, nice!
Would be awesome to see $1 million dollar prizepools though, or better yet $1 million for first place :D
before that happens though, GSL and the other premiers need to step it up too so that the WCS doesn't outlcass them by 20x :p $1M is unreasonable imo, i would much rather see that $1M spread worldwide rather than to a 1st place for more player support :p
yep of course :D
1 million first prize GSL
and Code A round of 32 players still get 5,000 Code S ro32 players get ~100,000? :D
Glad to see Blizz is actually sticking with this instead of just patching and letting tournaments handle everything else. If the future of esports (riot, valve, and Blizz) are all giving back to the community in exchange for publicity it can only be a good thing.
That's awesome. It's even more incredible considering that only 1 man in the top 10 earnings has a shot at that. Wouldn't mind seeing some up and comer win it and instantly become a superstar though :p
On September 14 2012 23:05 Hiea wrote: North America: 120.000 South America: 44.600 Europe: 189.000 Oceania: 30.000 Asia: 125.980 Global Finals: 250.000 Total: 759.580
There was some missing or no price pool at all for some South American countries.
Now if you think about the 1,6 mill valve put into DotA 2, this is just under half, but keep in mind that Blizz pays for the travel to all of their events, they flew Tastosis across the world to try and get more attention to countries like the UK and Australia.
I think if we knew the prices of all the plane tickets it probably wouldn't be much different in total prize money than what valve did.
Valve flew every1 in aswell iirc. But that doesn't really matter, why would we bother comparing pricepools. Dota is a bigger game and it's played in a 5vs5 format. Can't we just be happy with this sick tournament?
The difference being, valve flew every one in to 1 event. Blizzard flies pays for everyone at nations, regionals, and world finals. Blizzard paid for all of those to be live events as well. So in the end I think blizzard probably put in roughly the same amount of money as Valve (except valve's production cost on the international was probably astronomical so who knows)
I seriously can't thank blizzard enough for how incredible they've been the past year. With WCS and all the HoTS stuff. They've just been incredible. I cannot WAIT for this tournament!!
I thought all the top1 finishers for each wcs nationals got through to shanghai on auto? So ziki for uk etc etc? Or was it only certain countries? Germany France and Russia or something? :S
its a record breaking prize pool for sc2 events I think but not by much. this is very good. to put it in white ra words: more record breaking, more viewers, more gg
On September 15 2012 07:34 GarethGore wrote: I thought all the top1 finishers for each wcs nationals got through to shanghai on auto? So ziki for uk etc etc? Or was it only certain countries? Germany France and Russia or something? :S
from the liquipedia page about wcs world championship:
32 players (24 players from the five continentals and 8 players from direct nationals seeds) will qualify for the World Championship in Shanghai.
Continentals 2012 Battle.net Asian Championship 6 2012 Battle.net European Championship 6 2012 Battle.net North American Championship 7 2012 Battle.net Oceanian Championship 2 2012 Battle.net South American Championship 3 Nationals China 1 France 1 Germany 1 Russia 1 South Korea 1 Taiwan 1 Canada 1 United States 1
You should also consider that LoL and Dota are team games, whereas sc2 is a single player game. U have to divide the pool into all 6 or so players. So its really and awesome prizepool and i think it should be honored as it is.
On September 15 2012 07:29 McKTenor13 wrote: I seriously can't thank blizzard enough for how incredible they've been the past year. With WCS and all the HoTS stuff. They've just been incredible. I cannot WAIT for this tournament!!
On September 15 2012 07:34 GarethGore wrote: I thought all the top1 finishers for each wcs nationals got through to shanghai on auto? So ziki for uk etc etc? Or was it only certain countries? Germany France and Russia or something? :S
from the liquipedia page about wcs world championship:
32 players (24 players from the five continentals and 8 players from direct nationals seeds) will qualify for the World Championship in Shanghai.
Continentals 2012 Battle.net Asian Championship 6 2012 Battle.net European Championship 6 2012 Battle.net North American Championship 7 2012 Battle.net Oceanian Championship 2 2012 Battle.net South American Championship 3 Nationals China 1 France 1 Germany 1 Russia 1 South Korea 1 Taiwan 1 Canada 1 United States 1
ahhhh! Thanks very much, I didn't know that not all of the nationals carried straight seedings.
Oh Blizzard, the more time goes on, the more I realize you have become cheap money-grubbing bastards thanks to Activision (I blame them, not you). Valve has a much less hyped tournament, and they put out 10x the prize-pool, plus their company isn't even worth close to what you are. So sad, guess I'm just going to have to realize times change and move on.
On September 15 2012 08:22 NotSorry wrote: People really need to stop comparing a 1 tournament a year prize pool from another game with every sc2 tournament.
What do you think THIS is? In fact, it's less than once a year.
wow some people here are really bad at math, if you compare the total prizepool of dota to starcraft 2, it doesnt matter that dota is a teamgame.... it only matters if you compare the first prize
Good prize pool. It's clearly above every other tournament but it doesn't dwarf everything like Dota's International and Riot's season final. Kinda bad though that they exact spread for the events isn't announced. Like in a few hours European finals start and we only know the total prize pool and not the exact spread. Anyway, hopefully WCS comes back early next year with Hots.
On September 15 2012 07:29 McKTenor13 wrote: I seriously can't thank blizzard enough for how incredible they've been the past year. With WCS and all the HoTS stuff. They've just been incredible. I cannot WAIT for this tournament!!
On September 15 2012 08:22 forgotten0ne wrote: Oh Blizzard, the more time goes on, the more I realize you have become cheap money-grubbing bastards thanks to Activision (I blame them, not you). Valve has a much less hyped tournament, and they put out 10x the prize-pool, plus their company isn't even worth close to what you are. So sad, guess I'm just going to have to realize times change and move on.
On September 15 2012 08:22 NotSorry wrote: People really need to stop comparing a 1 tournament a year prize pool from another game with every sc2 tournament.
What do you think THIS is? In fact, it's less than once a year.
actually, the total wcs prize pool is about 800k, not including flights (yes i know valve flew out the dota2 ppl as well, but blizzard flew everyone for the nationals and continentals too)
On September 15 2012 08:22 forgotten0ne wrote: Oh Blizzard, the more time goes on, the more I realize you have become cheap money-grubbing bastards thanks to Activision (I blame them, not you). Valve has a much less hyped tournament, and they put out 10x the prize-pool, plus their company isn't even worth close to what you are. So sad, guess I'm just going to have to realize times change and move on.
On September 15 2012 08:22 NotSorry wrote: People really need to stop comparing a 1 tournament a year prize pool from another game with every sc2 tournament.
What do you think THIS is? In fact, it's less than once a year.
actually, the total wcs prize pool is about 800k, not including flights (yes i know valve flew out the dota2 ppl as well, but blizzard flew everyone for the nationals and continentals too)
Not to mention, the prizes are much better distributed and players have a much higher chance of qualifying, which fosters growth for the game world wide. It's not an invitational. It's hardly "once a year" as well as the events have been going on for the entire summer. Valve's tournament only lasted a week, unless you count the invitational-qualifiers.
Hmm, I think Blizzard could probably attract more attention to SC2 by making the prize pool even bigger. I mean, LoL's version of the WCS has a $2 million prize pool. Ahh well, just a possibility, it's pretty good as it is I guess.
This is what I would expect from Blizzard. You don't go through all the trouble of hosting national and regional finals to give away 50k in chump change for first.
Seems like a good prize pool. Blizzard put a lot into nationals/continentals too, so there's a lot more than the 250k for the championships. I want a foreigner!!!
On September 15 2012 07:01 Schlurpi wrote: I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
While the International's prize pool looks quite large at first, remember that each award will be split at least 5 ways (some of the larger organizations will take 10% just to help cover travel expenses and management/staff salaries, if applicable. [10/18/18/18/18/18 split]), meaning that each player on the winning team is only getting 180k-200k, which isn't that much larger.
Even still, I definitely agree that the 3rd party tourneys have some catching up to do.
The first infos on the WCS GrandFinal Prizepool were just announced by Blizzard.
"As the WCS comes to a close, it’s time for us to shift our focus from the journey to the destination. Earlier this week, we announced the format for the StarCraft II World Championship Series Global Finals. In two short months, 32 of the world’s best StarCraft II players will be traveling to China to compete for both country and a share of the $250,000 prize pool. The winner of the event will be taking home both the prestigious title of StarCraft II World Champion and a $100,000 cash prize."
I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
Stop comparing individal prize pools and different games. The money is well spread in DotA2.
Once again stop comparing the two.
I meant, its a well considered prizepool by blizzard. Its is still the highest first place we have seen so far. But not so high, that other tournaments look cheap, if compared.
False- Super Tournament for GSL had 100k first place prize, but a HUGE drop-off for second
Kind of weird that such a huge tournament in terms of prize pool is fielding such a weak player roster.
Too many seeds from North America, South America, and SEA and too many national winners getting free seeds into the world finals means there are less spots for the best players (read: Koreans). This tournament is missing MC, MVP, Nestea, MMA, DRG, MKP, Polt, Taeja, Violet, Leenock. Of the 19 non-Koreans already qualified, I peg three players that really deserve to be at a tournament of this size: Stephano, Scarlett, and Sen. (honorable mentions: Major, Huk, Vibe, Socke).
Oh well, what are ya gonna do. Without any crazy bad luck brackets, Seed, Parting, Creator, Squirtle and HerO hopefully will qualify through the Asian Finals, plus the European Finals field looks pretty strong, top 6 out of there should be pretty good too.
On September 15 2012 16:03 Gatesleeper wrote: Kind of weird that such a huge tournament in terms of prize pool is fielding such a weak player roster.
Too many seeds from North America, South America, and SEA and too many national winners getting free seeds into the world finals means there are less spots for the best players (read: Koreans). This tournament is missing MC, MVP, Nestea, MMA, DRG, MKP, Polt, Taeja, Violet, Leenock. Of the 19 non-Koreans already qualified, I peg three players that really deserve to be at a tournament of this size: Stephano, Scarlett, and Sen. (honorable mentions: Major, Huk, Vibe, Socke).
Oh well, what are ya gonna do. Without any crazy bad luck brackets, Seed, Parting, Creator, Squirtle and HerO hopefully will qualify through the Asian Finals, plus the European Finals field looks pretty strong, top 6 out of there should be pretty good too.
That's what a WC is all about and i think it's great for "smaller" communities.
Prize pool does not a competition make. MLG has shown that across a variety of formats. I'm much more interested to see all the final representatives in each region compete -- hoping to see some great storylines and, with any luck, great upsets at the world finals in China. :D
On September 15 2012 07:01 Schlurpi wrote: I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
1 Million is overrated. It seems like people forget that the prize pool is split between 5 members... I mean 200 each is still a lot, but it's not a million. SC2 doesn't need as big a prize pools because it's 1v1 and it has more tournaments anyway.
On September 14 2012 22:22 nkr wrote: not bad for a sc2 event
edit: 100k for first, roughly the same as the first GSL which fruitdealer won?
No, it's like Polt when he won the supertournament.
And btw, Blizzard has invested way more money than Dota 2 for the international I think. They have been paying for travel and accomodation for every player, and supported several tournaments. I know that in terms of prizemoney, all nationals and regionals combined is still lower but Valve and Riot in their tournaments has only put in minimum effort, especially at the international who just had 1 venur for their tournament. Prize money is just 1 thing to spend money on, the rest is often even more expensive btw.
On September 15 2012 07:01 Schlurpi wrote: I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
1 Million is overrated. It seems like people forget that the prize pool is split between 5 members... I mean 200 each is still a lot, but it's not a million. SC2 doesn't need as big a prize pools because it's 1v1 and it has more tournaments anyway.
Also because it's teamsport, you can bet that the teams are taking a big bite of that million as well, and it's only an annual tournament, so as you said, there is way more tournaments
100.000 for first place is still a very big prize. You need to take in considerationa that DOTA 2 is a 5 man team that gets the 1 mil. So still only 200.000 for each. And considering Blizz is investing a lot more money in the national and regional qualifiers this 250.000 prize pool is very very good.
Wow, with that amount of money, imagine like 3-8th place probably gets around 10k or so. That's sick for those spots! Makes TSL and all major events look like childrens play.
Probably something like this: First place: 100k Runner up: Max 50k 3-8 place: share 50k 9-32: share 50k
Actually the total prize pool for WCS is around $760k in cash prizes, PLUS paid trips/etc.
The national qualifiers and regional finals plus the grand finals prize money in total adds up to around $760k. So while the "headline" prize of $250k seems small compared to some things, it's actually a real total prize pool for the entire thing of $760k, but with no way for any one player to win the majority of that total.
On September 14 2012 23:42 nimdil wrote: 1. Why they used flag of the Olympic team of Chinese Taipei rather than that of Republic of China? That blows.
2. How did they choose direct qualifications for national champions into WC? I kind of understand United States and Canada in NA region or People's Republic of China/South Korea/Republic of China but why France, Germany and Russia in EU? Because of the population? Seems like Sweden and Ukraine is more legitimate choice.
Because France, Germany & Russia might be the bigger national markets for sc2 in EU in terms of sales, so Blizzard wanted to make sure that at least 1 French/German/Russian player would be in the WCS finals
On September 14 2012 22:22 nkr wrote: not bad for a sc2 event
edit: 100k for first, roughly the same as the first GSL which fruitdealer won?
No, it's like Polt when he won the supertournament.
And btw, Blizzard has invested way more money than Dota 2 for the international I think. They have been paying for travel and accomodation for every player, and supported several tournaments. I know that in terms of prizemoney, all nationals and regionals combined is still lower but Valve and Riot in their tournaments has only put in minimum effort, especially at the international who just had 1 venur for their tournament. Prize money is just 1 thing to spend money on, the rest is often even more expensive btw.
Please read about subjects before you look to bash them.
On September 14 2012 22:51 Dodgin wrote: I'm glad they are not making it more top heavy, I know this is Blizzard's tournament and they have the right to pay out as much as they want for it but it would be a little annoying to have someone suddenly win 250k for one tournament while others like mvp/mc/nestea have been winning multiple tournaments for years to get to that point.
conceivably, creator could, if he gets lucky: 10.5k from WCS KR 24K from WCS Asia 100K from WCS Global =125k ish
i think that's the max anyone can get from the WCS
It could have been 130k, if Vibe would have won everything, because for whatever reason US#1 is higher paid than Kr#1.
I just did some math.. blizzard could host give this prize pool (the entire world championship series) 3,5 times every month based purely off WoW subscription fees, obviously WoW also pays a bunch employees at Blizzard.
On September 14 2012 22:20 Schlurpi wrote: The first infos on the WCS GrandFinal Prizepool were just announced by Blizzard.
"As the WCS comes to a close, it’s time for us to shift our focus from the journey to the destination. Earlier this week, we announced the format for the StarCraft II World Championship Series Global Finals. In two short months, 32 of the world’s best StarCraft II players will be traveling to China to compete for both country and a share of the $250,000 prize pool. The winner of the event will be taking home both the prestigious title of StarCraft II World Champion and a $100,000 cash prize."
I think it is a very good prizepool. It will still be the tournament, which will bring a world-champion, but it will not crush other tournament. Like "The International" with Dota. Every other tournament will come short compared to 1,6mio. And 100.000 for the winner and 150.000 for the rest seems pretty good for everyone competing at the world finals!
Stop comparing individal prize pools and different games. The money is well spread in DotA2.
Once again stop comparing the two.
random xD why not compare different games oO nice prizepool :D looking forward to the world finals !
The key thing in Dota2 is, that the scene is really fractured. I kinda like the one big tournament a year model, because it still has an impact. No one can use bullshit excuses like "XY didn´t play well because he focused on that other tournament" If you can´t pull your shit together and play your best for 1 Mil, you have no business calling yourself professional.
I stopped following GSL closely after the 4th tournament, I stopped pretending to care after the 8th or so tournament. It has no impact for me anymore. There´s 7 regular tournaments a year plus around some more special tournaments. I just don´t get excited if there is a new "world champion" every 2 months. I hope this tournament(WCS) can be the one big tournament that you would watch if you can only watch 1.
That's a really good prizepool size. It doesn't overshadow other tournaments and it isn't too small to be worthy of world champion status. People comparing this to the International are wrong. That tournament is never going to be profitable, it's just a hype tournament. Almost like a flexing competition between Riot and Valve
I calculated the total prize money from all national, continent and world championship to be $761,520 (USD?). All numbers take from liquipedia. I don't have the prizepool from Colombia and Peru (it says TBA).
There are also 120 continent seeds and 32 W.C. seeds.
On September 14 2012 22:57 Torte de Lini wrote: Its no international, but very nice!
the prize pool is much more evenly spread than the international, plus 750k (x5 for the non-team aspect) is pretty solid ;D
On September 14 2012 22:59 Vindicare605 wrote: And now the speculation begins. who's going to win it!?
creator
Why is evenly spread good?
Because if 1 guy wins it all you have 1 very rich person and a lot of people with very little.
If all the price money went to the winner, there would be no way for other people to work their way up to catch those guys because they just don't have the income to keep playing.
All the players winning any money at the global finals are most definitely well accomplished pros. Therefore your argument is irrelevant.
Lets please recognize that this is the most impressive esports effort that any company has ever done for eports trumping Riot, more then the fact that Blizzard put out over 500$ for WCS they also held over a dozen tournaments. With how Blizzard is approaching Hots and the fact that we have an insanely balanced game I think it's about time we show our love.
On September 14 2012 22:57 Torte de Lini wrote: Its no international, but very nice!
the prize pool is much more evenly spread than the international, plus 750k (x5 for the non-team aspect) is pretty solid ;D
On September 14 2012 22:59 Vindicare605 wrote: And now the speculation begins. who's going to win it!?
creator
Why is evenly spread good?
Because if 1 guy wins it all you have 1 very rich person and a lot of people with very little.
If all the price money went to the winner, there would be no way for other people to work their way up to catch those guys because they just don't have the income to keep playing.
All the players winning any money at the global finals are most definitely well accomplished pros. Therefore your argument is irrelevant.
not really, a lot of these guys have teams, but not a solid sustainable salary
On September 17 2012 11:10 dashpar wrote: kinda cheesy because there's only 5 terrans. Zerg not imba ya right!
5? I only count 4. 28 Z & P, 4 T in the Asia final. It is incredibly unlikely that any of the Terran make it top 6 considering none of them are korean. So very likely, the World Finals will be, just like the Asia final
28 Z & P + 4 T
Fenix Lucifron MajOr Illusion
Interestingly enough, 3 of the 4 Terran at the world final are Spanish speaking.
On September 14 2012 23:05 Hiea wrote: North America: 120.000 South America: 44.600 Europe: 189.000 Oceania: 30.000 Asia: 125.980 Global Finals: 250.000 Total: 759.580
There was some missing or no price pool at all for some South American countries.
Now if you think about the 1,6 mill valve put into DotA 2, this is just under half, but keep in mind that Blizz pays for the travel to all of their events, they flew Tastosis across the world to try and get more attention to countries like the UK and Australia.
I think if we knew the prices of all the plane tickets it probably wouldn't be much different in total prize money than what valve did.
Well if you gonna count travel and living expenses you shuld also count income, i dont know if dreamhack get the WCS beacuse of Blizz being nice or beacuse they paid the best? (Maybe im wrong here) also obvs DOTA pay travel
Dota 2 and Starcraft II prize pools shouldn't be compared imo. Of course it is everyone's right to compare anything, but publicly disputing the prize pools is just silly. Valve invests x amount of money while Blizzard invests y. The companies aren't head competitors, because the games are different.
On topic : The prize pool is impressive. 1st place taking 100k is not small at all. It's a start for bigger things surely, and next year it will be better!
On September 14 2012 23:05 Hiea wrote: North America: 120.000 South America: 44.600 Europe: 189.000 Oceania: 30.000 Asia: 125.980 Global Finals: 250.000 Total: 759.580
There was some missing or no price pool at all for some South American countries.
Now if you think about the 1,6 mill valve put into DotA 2, this is just under half, but keep in mind that Blizz pays for the travel to all of their events, they flew Tastosis across the world to try and get more attention to countries like the UK and Australia.
I think if we knew the prices of all the plane tickets it probably wouldn't be much different in total prize money than what valve did.
Well if you gonna count travel and living expenses you shuld also count income, i dont know if dreamhack get the WCS beacuse of Blizz being nice or beacuse they paid the best? (Maybe im wrong here) also obvs DOTA pay travel
DotA also pays travel, yes, but for Starcraft 2 I think we can both agree the travel / venue expenses are far higher, however TI2 makes up for that in prize pool, so that why I think it ends up kinda even.
On September 18 2012 14:02 Knee0fJustice wrote: Wasn't the LoL season 2 tournament to have a 5 million dollar prize pool?
Bear in mind it has to be spread between the team though. On topic: I think this is a sick price pool for sc2, and considering the absolute awesomeness that was WCS Europe, I really can't wait for this tournament :D
how the fuck whoever wins this can be called the world champon when there aint no best koreans players in this in the first place? Taeja would shit on all these kids no problem so will most top korean players so how the fuck is it a world championship when the very best arent even in it. fail
This is great. I'm really hoping the WCS goes super well and we see a lot of support for the movement. A big prize pool next year will help more players decide to dedicate more time, knowing there is big money in tournaments like this.
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