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May 21st, 2012 03:31 GMT
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Up Down Matches: Group A Preview


By: Waxangel
*Technically Season Three

When I went to Korea to check out the GSL, the thing that surprised me the most was finding out that the GomTV staff aren't a bunch of indentured servants, slaving away under the whips of their masters. As far as I could tell, they seem to be quite willingly, and cheerfully operating a Starcraft II league every single week, without any concept of an off-season. The Code S finals was just two days ago, and already they're going into the Up/Downs. The week after that? They'll go right into producing GSTL Season II. Although, now that I think about it, I don't know why it came as a surprise. From what we've seen of Korean Starcraft II pro-gamers, unnatural endurance seems to be an inherent national trait.

Up/Down Group A – May 21st, 09:10 GMT (+00:00)
Top two advance to Code S


#5: (P)Lure

Lure is in the Up/Downs because he beat ex-teammate InCa in the first round of Code A – besides that, he's never won a series in the GSL. Though the fact that he's beaten the Code A qualifiers three times tells us that he's a Code A caliber player at least, he's shown us nothing that would lead us to believe he could make it into Code S. On top of that, his former team oGs exploded last week, which couldn't have been good for his preparations.


#4: (Z)ST_JulyZerg

Despite his RO16 appearance this season, JulyZerg hasn't actually improved a whole lot. His ZvZ seemed a bit better when he beat out Zenio in the RO32, but Leenock ripped him apart as expected in the RO16. He defeated aLive and stole a map from MarineKing, but that seemed mostly due to people having forgotten his mostly predictable 3-base lair aggressive style. He could always cheese GKP or Nestea, but they will be hard to beat.

On the other hand, JulyZerg's ZvP has always been quite good, although we haven't seen in it in a while. It's the best match-up for July's lair phase aggression, even though Protoss players are continually getting better at defense. Defeating his two Protoss opponents are a must if July wants to get through.


#3: (Z)LG-IMNesTea
#2: (P)EG.JYP


After a few annoying seasons with Terran heavy draws, JYP has finally got his Autumn '11 luck back with this mostly Zerg and Protoss group. As a skilled PvZ player, JYP will be favored against Lure (with the usual PvP fluctuations), and he'll be at least even with Nestea and July. The issue, of course, is the PvT against GhostKing. We keep saying that JYP's PvT is better than the record says, but because he keeps running into really good players, we never actually get to see him win. GhostKing is a pretty sick TvP player as well, so JYP is probably going to lose there.

In Nestea's case, his excellent performances overseas at IPL4 and Iron Squid have contrasted with some poor performances in the GSL, something that makes little sense considering the conventional wisdom that he needs preparation time to play to his best. Showing championship class play when he has it going, Nestea definitely could top this group, but his unpredictable nature makes it hard to guarantee it.

I feel that Nestea and JYP have similar chances of making it into Code S, so I've decided to make the tie-breaker their head to head. The map is Entombed Valley, which will give JYP the slim advantage he needs to squeeze through.


#1: (T)GhostKingPrime

Between JYP, Nestea, and GhostKing, it wouldn't be surprising to see any combination of two players making it into Code S. But when in doubt, it's usually a good move to go with the player with the most momentum.

GhostKing (formerly known as Byun) might not be a towering inferno, but it's safe to say that he's been on fire. He was good enough to beat the ridiculously tough open bracket at IPL4 (and had a decent record in the groups), and his combined GSL and GSTL performances have been very good as well. Unlike the typical online or international hot shot, GhostKing doesn't need to prove that he can reproduce his form in the pressure cooker known as the GSL. He's been to a Code S semi-final already, and he would probably be back in Code S already if not for the extreme disciplinary measures he received as a result of the ESV Weekly scandal. It's a close call, but GhostKing is the strongest player in this group.





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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
May 21 2012 03:33 GMT
#2
Hope nestea and July make it...though I like byun and his puppy too.
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
May 21 2012 03:35 GMT
#3
JULY HWAITING! gonna be an excellent set of matches. thanks for the write up!
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 04:15:52
May 21 2012 03:39 GMT
#4
Nestea will sweep group. Byun will squeak through in 2nd
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 21 2012 03:42 GMT
#5
Lure joins Rising Star. They disband.

Lure joins oGs. They disband.

Someone must stop this man.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Attilanator
Profile Joined March 2011
United States154 Posts
May 21 2012 03:49 GMT
#6
July and Lure don't seem like they'll be too important, and I agree Ghostking is the heavy favorite...... Nestea hasn't been in good form lately (Which saddens me greatly). I wouldn't doubt the old champion too much, though, he can pull through when he needs to, just like MVP....... of course JYP is very good and his PvZ is solid so this could be close. I'm gonna call Byun and Nestea advance, we'll see.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 03:55:33
May 21 2012 03:55 GMT
#7
Ghostking + JYP I think.

Nestea might pull an upset but I kind of think his time is over.

+ Show Spoiler +
don't kill me nestea fans
Archile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States403 Posts
May 21 2012 03:59 GMT
#8
NesTea+July to make it. July gonna pullt he upset and beat all except NesTea, NesTea loses to JYP, but wins against all others. Lure loses to everyone, GKP beats JYP, Lure. JYP beats NesTea, Lure.
Just a bad player trying to be a little less bad
lardroom
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1017 Posts
May 21 2012 04:13 GMT
#9
I just want NesTea back in code S.
zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
May 21 2012 04:14 GMT
#10
On May 21 2012 12:42 Fionn wrote:
Lure joins Rising Star. They disband.

Lure joins oGs. They disband.

Someone must stop this man.

Team Killer @@
Z: SEn P: White-Ra T: Polt
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 21 2012 04:28 GMT
#11
On May 21 2012 12:55 Dodgin wrote:
Ghostking + JYP I think.

Nestea might pull an upset but I kind of think his time is over.

+ Show Spoiler +
don't kill me nestea fans


Upset? UPSET?! RAWRGHHHHH

*activates raging fanboi mode!*

nah I'm jk :p

but I don't understand how Nestea isn't the favorite. Getting 3rd at two major tournaments in the past 3 months is still more than I can say about everyone else in this group.

Not to mention being a triple gsl champ and managing to be in every season of the gsl and every code S is still highly relevant for me even though he's had some absolutely awful games as of late too.

We'll see =o
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 04:34:15
May 21 2012 04:33 GMT
#12
On May 21 2012 13:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 12:55 Dodgin wrote:
Ghostking + JYP I think.

Nestea might pull an upset but I kind of think his time is over.

+ Show Spoiler +
don't kill me nestea fans


Upset? UPSET?! RAWRGHHHHH

*activates raging fanboi mode!*

nah I'm jk :p

but I don't understand how Nestea isn't the favorite. Getting 3rd at two major tournaments in the past 3 months is still more than I can say about everyone else in this group.

Not to mention being a triple gsl champ and managing to be in every season of the gsl and every code S is still highly relevant for me even though he's had some absolutely awful games as of late too.

We'll see =o


Well I don't mean " his time is over " as in he will never win a game again, I just think Ghostking and JYP have a better chance based off of who they have to play, JYP only gets one PvT and It's against the guy I think is going to finish in first anyway. I expect JYP to 3-1 and Ghostking to 4-0.

But who knows, It's Nestea after all. His IPL4 performance was really good but that was a while ago at this point.

It's also bo1 so anything can happen.

If I'm wrong feel free to say I told you so!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
May 21 2012 05:20 GMT
#13
On May 21 2012 12:42 Fionn wrote:
Lure joins Rising Star. They disband.

Lure joins oGs. They disband.

Someone must stop this man.


With any luck, he joins EG.


OHHHHHH
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
May 21 2012 06:11 GMT
#14
Gogo July and GhostKing!
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
May 21 2012 06:49 GMT
#15
Rooting for NesTea and JulyZerg. Need more legends to show these new kids whos actually boss.
Save me from myself
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
May 21 2012 06:58 GMT
#16
Typically I'd agree with NesTea #3 but something tells me he'll pull things together when Code S is on the line. I like the dude and I think he's got a real shot, maybe even coming out of this group as #1.

We'll have to see, though. He has his on days and his off days.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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alee103
Profile Joined January 2012
17 Posts
May 21 2012 06:59 GMT
#17
GKP + either NesTea or JYP. I would consider July making Code S a major upset.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
May 21 2012 07:37 GMT
#18
Going to be a lot of good U & D matches this week ^__^

(sad there's no code A day 3 recap, it was one of the best days of the season! =p)
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 21 2012 10:07 GMT
#19
On May 21 2012 12:42 Fionn wrote:
Lure joins Rising Star. They disband.

Lure joins oGs. They disband.

Someone must stop this man.


Team MvP is next!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
May 21 2012 10:27 GMT
#20
I'm going with Nestea because of greater big game experience...although actually jyp has more up and down experience...so I dunno

Nestea July!
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MikeTheBike
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand136 Posts
May 21 2012 10:58 GMT
#21
Does GhostKing still have his puppy? :O
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 21 2012 11:06 GMT
#22
On May 21 2012 13:33 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 13:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On May 21 2012 12:55 Dodgin wrote:
Ghostking + JYP I think.

Nestea might pull an upset but I kind of think his time is over.

+ Show Spoiler +
don't kill me nestea fans


Upset? UPSET?! RAWRGHHHHH

*activates raging fanboi mode!*

nah I'm jk :p

but I don't understand how Nestea isn't the favorite. Getting 3rd at two major tournaments in the past 3 months is still more than I can say about everyone else in this group.

Not to mention being a triple gsl champ and managing to be in every season of the gsl and every code S is still highly relevant for me even though he's had some absolutely awful games as of late too.

We'll see =o


Well I don't mean " his time is over " as in he will never win a game again, I just think Ghostking and JYP have a better chance based off of who they have to play, JYP only gets one PvT and It's against the guy I think is going to finish in first anyway. I expect JYP to 3-1 and Ghostking to 4-0.

But who knows, It's Nestea after all. His IPL4 performance was really good but that was a while ago at this point.

It's also bo1 so anything can happen.

If I'm wrong feel free to say I told you so!


Okay I was wrong and I feel bad.
Destroyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany299 Posts
May 21 2012 11:10 GMT
#23
Quick series. Zergbong crushes. Artosis can't believe it. :D Poor July poor JYP
hillman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 11:59:13
May 21 2012 11:57 GMT
#24
MVP's GSL win will hopefully spur Nestea to reach his own all-star caliber form and dig deep down past the complacency...I don't like these predictions at all. Thankfully they are usually wrong.
LongBow
Profile Joined May 2012
United States265 Posts
May 21 2012 13:32 GMT
#25
Nestea and GKP! Its a tough draw for protoss right here, but we really need a champion. I just don't think JYP has what it takes to make a deep run in Code S
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
May 21 2012 14:55 GMT
#26
Nestea should be Fav in this group, non of the other players has had any results recently that compare to Nestea (IPL, Iron Squid)

I'd say Ghostking or either JYP to go through, all depending on weather JYP can beat a Terran.

And July ? Talking about inconsistant He's either going to outplay them all or look like a tool.
IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
May 21 2012 16:16 GMT
#27
1. NesTea 2.Byun. You can never doubt a god.
I'ma show you how great I am ~ Muhammed Ali
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33465 Posts
May 21 2012 17:45 GMT
#28
bah, close enough
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aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
May 21 2012 19:14 GMT
#29
I don't even know anymore lol, there's been so much upsets and bizarre results.
Mmm, what to watch.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 21 2012 21:16 GMT
#30
called it! well, at least byun. the others were too close in my opinion.
Who could've thought that NesTea would give such a strong showing?
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
May 22 2012 00:34 GMT
#31
Nestea and July fighting!!! I hope July is less predictable this time, when he mixes it up it usually works to his advantage (except in Z v Z)
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17684 Posts
May 23 2012 07:06 GMT
#32
no previews for the other groups?
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Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
May 25 2012 00:39 GMT
#33
On May 21 2012 12:42 Fionn wrote:
Lure joins Rising Star. They disband.

Lure joins oGs. They disband.

Someone must stop this man.


Oh shit.
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