Wow, thats such an interesting take on skill level, I remember hearing Huk say that his best game was against STJuly too, strangely enough that was his SQ peak, should be a good gauge on when players are slumping as kind of an average of what their SQ was at and what it's at now...

bokchoi

Korea (South)9498 Posts

October 29 2011 15:44 GMT

#242

Great write-up. Love the "Top 3 Control, Bitches!" haha

TuElite

Canada2123 Posts

October 29 2011 15:51 GMT

#243

Sick research, amazing work! Can't wait to see all the stats when everything's done.

IzuN

Belize20 Posts

October 29 2011 15:54 GMT

#244

Goody a top5 macro player in EU?
I actually enjoy Goody (one of the few probably) but hes not a good macro player. not close.
I'm not convinced by SQ being a relevant index of macro skills really. Part of it but somethings missing

McFeser

United States2458 Posts

October 29 2011 16:00 GMT

#245

If I queue up my production for five units will that give me a higher SQ than a player who never queues up units?

FroSt_sc

Finland21 Posts

October 29 2011 16:01 GMT

#246

Very nice.

FenneK

France1231 Posts

October 29 2011 16:02 GMT

#247

thanks!

can't wait to see the differences across the azn servers

Cajun2k1

Netherlands399 Posts

October 29 2011 16:02 GMT

#248

Does the scale account for the Terran's ability to queue units? You can put up to 5 units in the building's queue, which counts as 'spent' but that would contaminate your end results. I loved reading the article, it was like a scientific paper.

Poopi

France12883 Posts

October 29 2011 16:03 GMT

#249

On October 30 2011 00:30 sirrobert5 wrote:
Great analysis man very impressed

. Just a couple of points that maybe dont show up in the analysis:

1.SQ probably scewed in Terrans favour by their ability to queue units
2.SQ might disfavour the other two races slightly more, due to the 'rounds of units' mechanic used by Protoss and Zerg (Warpgate rounds and production rounds after lava injects)

Hard to say how to account for these problems though

Overall great stuff, nice to see how in-depth we can start to quantify a players ability to macro. Also good to see my fellow Brit DeMuslim topping the charts

But terran income is higher so it's hard to spent more ressources? XD.
So yeah basically these data are not very meaningful

Markwerf

Netherlands3728 Posts

October 29 2011 16:10 GMT

#250

SQ is not a particularely great indicator imo but it does seem to have a decent correleration with skill level. It also seems to portray some decent features that it's relatively independant of average game time and race making it easy to measure. Still all in all it seems a bit of a useless statistic.

APM however is also quite the useless statistic and still get's cited a lot so there is still a good chance this might linger around.

Jayjay54

Germany2296 Posts

October 29 2011 16:13 GMT

#251

i love how it shows goody as a solid macro player. money in the cue is money spent, right? still, amazing read. thanks

archonOOid

1983 Posts

October 29 2011 16:15 GMT

#252

I would like to see how SQ correlate with game time! please make it happen dear OP.

SadMachine

United States98 Posts

October 29 2011 16:18 GMT

#253

absolutely awesome write up! took me forever to read it all, but it was totally worth the time! keep up the good work!

A x i o M

United States78 Posts

October 29 2011 16:20 GMT

#254

This was really cool.

Everyone's talking about how Protoss pool money with warpgate research. I think it would be interesting to see if a Protoss who didn't get warpgate and just queued units like a Terran had a higher SQ. Could be interesting and it would prove whether the warpgate mechanics results in a lower SQ.

lowkontrast

United States855 Posts

October 29 2011 16:22 GMT

#255

On October 30 2011 00:54 IzuN wrote:
Goody a top5 macro player in EU?
I actually enjoy Goody (one of the few probably) but hes not a good macro player. not close.
I'm not convinced by SQ being a relevant index of macro skills really. Part of it but somethings missing

He queues a lot = Low unspent resources.

Cascade

Australia5405 Posts

October 29 2011 16:24 GMT

#256

Nice analysis!

I am surprised, as many other here, that you don't see a larger SQ for terran at all levels, due to queuing. Weird! Does that finally prove, as we all suspect deep inside, that terrans are noobs with inflated MMR due to imbalance?

Looking forward to see if the koreans mechanics are indeed at a higher level.

And it'd be nice to see nesteas SQ in that blizzcon game where he stacked over 10k resources a large fraction of the game.

Bronze level SQ in blizzcon final?

sjschmidt93

United States2518 Posts

October 29 2011 16:35 GMT

#257

Goody is 5 in EU? I guess 12 queued siege tanks explains that?

Zeri

United States773 Posts

October 29 2011 17:21 GMT

#258

Wow well done. Great read, very interesting!

cmen15

United States1519 Posts

October 29 2011 17:27 GMT

#259

Just finished the read, was really interesting and loved it. Thanks for putting in the time, it looks like you really worked hard on this. Also we learned that the key to spending your money is breaking your arm's as much as possible, I see now lol... jkjk. Great Job!!!! : )