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Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
September 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#201
Who is this Prospectus guy?

Putting Brat_OK above Mana, Rain and Huk? Vibe above Fenix?
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
betaV1.25
Profile Joined April 2010
425 Posts
September 14 2011 10:34 GMT
#202
Another great write up and thank you for nearly making me cry with laughter at work with the sporrer back grounds.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
September 14 2011 10:39 GMT
#203
Its so hard to predict who will come out on top in all the groups.

What we learned from season one is that lag plays a role. So does motivation. Also at some point NASL will prolly colide with other tournaments giving some players walkovers and others losses for not playing.
Sphaero
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 10:52:46
September 14 2011 10:51 GMT
#204
For the most part, Germany has been the European example of how population and GDP don't seem to have any relation to Starcraft skill. You know, like America! They're both kinda good at Starcraft II, but any compliment beyond that seems like flattery.

Not sure if serious. Especially, because the OP contradicts himself before and after with saying, that Germany is one of the countries with the most representation in this league. It is also the only country outside South Korea that had more than one player in the grand finals and the highest placing among western players.

While its true that Germany has not that much top players in relation to its fanbase and population (Great Britain and Russia are still better examples for it), but the few we have belong to the Top in EU:

- We have the online monster Goody, who wins pretty much every week a tourney, sometimes more (why no Goody in NASL T.T).
- The RTS-veteran Hasu, captain of one of the strongest clans and Team Germany, a guy with extreme strong unit control (impressively proven yesterday against the french Top Zerg Stephano) and a habit to collect tourney wins around the Mediterranean Sea (Spain, France and Italy).
- The solid macro Zerg Darkforce, who seems to get better and better.
- And last but not least the best german player Socke. One of the most consistent top foreigner in the scene with tons of strong results in major tournaments and tournament victories. I was literally shaking my head at the predictions. Socke 7th in his division? Are you kidding me? What have Idra, Hwangsin, Jinro, Kiwikaki and Morrow shown recently to put them above him?

I expect, that Hasu, DF and Socke all get at least to the play offs like last season. They also have decent chances to get Top 2 in their groups. The only real wildcard (Lol at Socke being a wild card) here is TLO, who truthfully is not on the others level atm.
Dark Archon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
18 Posts
September 14 2011 10:57 GMT
#205
Isn't this that tournament that lacks Korean players? With all the SC2 games happening everyday (especially IPL) I find it hard to become passionate about the NASL.
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
September 14 2011 11:17 GMT
#206
One might say that this write up was excellent.
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
September 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#207
Some of the predictions are wierd to me. I can't see anything other than a landslide sweep for Mana and Morrow in Divisions 2/3, yet noone has placed them that highly. Maybe, I'm overestimating them, but they really seem like they're in great shape currently.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
September 14 2011 11:27 GMT
#208
I like the write up. But I can't take the predictions seriously anymore.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 14 2011 11:28 GMT
#209
excellent writeup
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
September 14 2011 11:31 GMT
#210
On September 14 2011 19:51 Sphaero wrote:
For the most part, Germany has been the European example of how population and GDP don't seem to have any relation to Starcraft skill. You know, like America! They're both kinda good at Starcraft II, but any compliment beyond that seems like flattery.

Not sure if serious. Especially, because the OP contradicts himself before and after with saying, that Germany is one of the countries with the most representation in this league. It is also the only country outside South Korea that had more than one player in the grand finals and the highest placing among western players.

While its true that Germany has not that much top players in relation to its fanbase and population (Great Britain and Russia are still better examples for it), but the few we have belong to the Top in EU:

- We have the online monster Goody, who wins pretty much every week a tourney, sometimes more (why no Goody in NASL T.T).
- The RTS-veteran Hasu, captain of one of the strongest clans and Team Germany, a guy with extreme strong unit control (impressively proven yesterday against the french Top Zerg Stephano) and a habit to collect tourney wins around the Mediterranean Sea (Spain, France and Italy).
- The solid macro Zerg Darkforce, who seems to get better and better.
- And last but not least the best german player Socke. One of the most consistent top foreigner in the scene with tons of strong results in major tournaments and tournament victories. I was literally shaking my head at the predictions. Socke 7th in his division? Are you kidding me? What have Idra, Hwangsin, Jinro, Kiwikaki and Morrow shown recently to put them above him?

I expect, that Hasu, DF and Socke all get at least to the play offs like last season. They also have decent chances to get Top 2 in their groups. The only real wildcard (Lol at Socke being a wild card) here is TLO, who truthfully is not on the others level atm.


Sure Germany is one of the Top-Nations in Europe, no one doubts that, but altgough we have many good players, there is no real wrecking machine. Look at Poland for example, they have 1/4 of our population and they have two beasts with MaNa and Nerchio. Or Sweden, which has 1/9 of our population and has ThorZain, Naniwa, Sjow, Morrow, Jinro, Sase, Lalush, Haypro, Jimpo, Bischu, Merz, Seiplo(...).
alepov
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands1132 Posts
September 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#211
Gonna be honest, I clicked on the article to read/see more about Linsdey
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
drdreggor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden207 Posts
September 14 2011 11:41 GMT
#212
Great writeup, loved the conspiracy trolling
Wake up Mr. Freeman, wake up and smell the ashes.
ticktack
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates874 Posts
September 14 2011 12:11 GMT
#213
Really awesome writeup !! I just saw the Moman application and it was so funny hahahaha.
A winner is just a loser who got pissed off and tried harder
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
September 14 2011 12:13 GMT
#214
this is gonna be awsome. cant wait. i hope idra and huk can prove people wrong
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
TeH_CaRnAg3
Profile Joined March 2010
United States239 Posts
September 14 2011 12:14 GMT
#215
I just want to know who the pretty lady in the backround of the text is O.o
I stole leonardo dicaprios ladder points
Sphaero
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1697 Posts
September 14 2011 12:16 GMT
#216
On September 14 2011 20:31 Xoronius wrote:

Sure Germany is one of the Top-Nations in Europe, no one doubts that, but altgough we have many good players, there is no real wrecking machine. Look at Poland for example, they have 1/4 of our population and they have two beasts with MaNa and Nerchio. Or Sweden, which has 1/9 of our population and has ThorZain, Naniwa, Sjow, Morrow, Jinro, Sase, Lalush, Haypro, Jimpo, Bischu, Merz, Seiplo(...).


First of all, there is no doubt, that Sweden is the number one country outside Korea. Their player pool is ridiculous and that goes beyond SCII. I think the acceptance of esport is greater there than in Germany. Maybe its the long winters, I dunno.

Second, define "real wrecking machine", because the ones you named from Poland are very similar to the best germans. Nerchio is by all the hype around him an extreme strong and active online player, who needs to back up his results in major lans. His showing at IEM Cologne was good, but thats not enough to put him above players like Socke or Hasu. Actually Goody fits Nerchios description pretty well.

Mana is on fire lately, no doubt about it, but he is overall not better than Socke. Going by both results and skill, they are on the same level (although Socke earned a good chunk more price money, because he is more consistent over a longer time). Right now, Mana has the edge in TvP, while Socke is a little bit better against Zerg. Their Mirror is dead even, which was the reason for their extreme close bronze match in Cologne. Hasu is not far behind both of them.

Poland is very strong and with Tarson and Diestar on the same level as Germany, which is amazing going by their population size. They build together with Ukraine and Germany the second line behind Sweden, which as said above stands at the top.
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
September 14 2011 12:18 GMT
#217
On September 14 2011 21:14 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote:
I just want to know who the pretty lady in the backround of the text is O.o


Come on dude. Literally every single page in this thread has mentioned Lindsey, Sporrer and/or Lindsey Sporrer.

"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
BigJoe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 12:31:22
September 14 2011 12:24 GMT
#218
if at first you don't succeed, find hot woman to get you some publicity.

edit:
good writeup though xD
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
September 14 2011 12:35 GMT
#219
On September 14 2011 21:16 Sphaero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 20:31 Xoronius wrote:

Sure Germany is one of the Top-Nations in Europe, no one doubts that, but altgough we have many good players, there is no real wrecking machine. Look at Poland for example, they have 1/4 of our population and they have two beasts with MaNa and Nerchio. Or Sweden, which has 1/9 of our population and has ThorZain, Naniwa, Sjow, Morrow, Jinro, Sase, Lalush, Haypro, Jimpo, Bischu, Merz, Seiplo(...).


First of all, there is no doubt, that Sweden is the number one country outside Korea. Their player pool is ridiculous and that goes beyond SCII. I think the acceptance of esport is greater there than in Germany. Maybe its the long winters, I dunno.

Second, define "real wrecking machine", because the ones you named from Poland are very similar to the best germans. Nerchio is by all the hype around him an extreme strong and active online player, who needs to back up his results in major lans. His showing at IEM Cologne was good, but thats not enough to put him above players like Socke or Hasu. Actually Goody fits Nerchios description pretty well.

Mana is on fire lately, no doubt about it, but he is overall not better than Socke. Going by both results and skill, they are on the same level (although Socke earned a good chunk more price money, because he is more consistent over a longer time). Right now, Mana has the edge in TvP, while Socke is a little bit better against Zerg. Their Mirror is dead even, which was the reason for their extreme close bronze match in Cologne. Hasu is not far behind both of them.

Poland is very strong and with Tarson and Diestar on the same level as Germany, which is amazing going by their population size. They build together with Ukraine and Germany the second line behind Sweden, which as said above stands at the top.


No offense but if Poland played Germany in a team league format I would bet on Poland every day of the week. Mana is a top foreigner, Nerchio and Tarson are beasts. Socke is sick though

And Ukraine´s better than both imo.


SC2, rip in pepperinos
forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
September 14 2011 12:41 GMT
#220
A great, great write-up. Thanks for that.

Also, I think Cruncher and Morrow will do significantly better (respectively) than what the panel thought.
Seohyun fan
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