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On June 08 2011 14:13 MisterFred wrote:I was already pumped for NASL finals: sorry MLG it's way more epic because of the prize money and long build up. Now I'm even more pumped. + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2011 12:20 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 12:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:I found this funny But obviously there’s a reason for this, right? The Koreans are dealing with lag (like they'd sweep the podium at a NA LAN event), or these aren’t the best Koreans (as if someone like, say, MMA, would beat July), or something else; I'm sure someone will tell us.
When they have swept every single foreign tournametn they have played in with the sole exception of Dreamhack winter. IEM? 3 Koreans Dreamhack Invitational? Only Korean in attendance won. Copenhagen? Korean win. Whatever that Australian tournament Ace won was called. MLG? Top 3 Koreans. So, uhm yes, maybe go a little less heavy on the sarcasm? Lol yeah...not to mention that certain foreign players - including one that I'm sure the writer is a huge fan of, judging from the superlatives - and casters themselves acknowledged that latency is an issue sometimes. I don't understand the need for a snide and sarcastic remark either. I can't tell if Jinro knows he and the authors agree completely  . I'm going to assume yes.
But they don't? This is how I understood this:
Writer goes: "Koreans are good but not great/unbeatable, but I'm sure someone will tell us it is because of the lag etc", implying that people will claim koreans are better than these results suggest.
Jinro goes: "They won everything except one LAN tourney", implying that they really are better than these results suggest when not hindered by circumstances (whether that be lag or something else).
What I would like to ask Jinro, is if he means that lag is the reason koreans "underperform" here, if that really is what he is implying.
Personally I believe the koreans competing are for the most part quite a lot better than the majority of foreigners, although a few foreigners seems to be close to even the best koreans in skill level.
I were excited for the NASL finals, but htis made me stoked!
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I'm so hyped for NASL, been following it alot and only missed some last week because of work and MLG.
Keep up the good work!
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On June 08 2011 07:55 emythrel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 07:53 motiust wrote:
The NASL production sux, it is si bad that if is not because of Geoff I would of demand my money back!
It was basically unwatchable, too slow, just a rippoff alround. I could of just watch free stream and that still lags at times ffs, if you can't afford the bandwidth for 1040p, don't market yourself like so.
I'm so pissed off evenever I hear NASL :O I've watched every single broadcast of NASL since week 1, since week 2 I have experienced close to 0 lag....... the problem lies not with NASL's upload but JTV's routing..... if you are going to complain at least have an informed opinion.
Mate, look at this problem in a different angle.
Justin.tv is WELL KNOWN for their performance problem prior to NASL, just google justin.tv and lag together you'll see...
NASL TOOK MY MONEY NOT JUSTIN.tv, I BLAME NASL for making this bad business decision which severely effected my viewing experience, to blame Justin.tv is just stupid and ill informed.
They had diverted all funds into price pool thinking that it would be an effective marketing campaign vs GSL and choose to go with a cheap option with Justin.tv but they are too stupid to understand it would be fkn ineffective if the viewer can't even watch their games!!
You see why im so angry? im not stingy when it comes to starcraft and pc but when i felt like i got ripped off by some unprofessional inexperience individuals who NFI what to do BUT charges you money with false advertising promise, it makes me feel stupid and therefore i'm pissed off.
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CatsPajamas (giant beard), Mr. Bitter (tiny beard), Khaldor (German), Xeris (not German), and Diggity (shirt and tie!
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what? )
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Hmm, curious about point 8 and 9 in those closing thoughts (context and quitters). Clearly very important. Incontrol talked time and time again about "telling the story" pre-nasl on sotg etc but nasl fails to do so. And I can't imagine there wasn't a discussion when this format was concocted about the dangers of people quitting midway.
Nasl seemed strangely unprepared for this. Or maybe they thought the $200 (or whatever it was) they could fine people would be enough to keep them in line? I really hope there's a huge discussion going on inside the nasl organization about season 2 at the moment. About the format, possible changes and how to work with it and present it better.
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On June 08 2011 15:52 Sarang wrote:
FINALLY - a writeup on Sc2 which makes me think the writers actually like the game.
Really good write up. My only complaint is there were a lot of misused apostrophes xD (Muta's)
But that aside, it's really great to see a positive write up regarding a sc2 event. Excellent job to all involved.
Muta's is a contraction therefore the apostrophe is perfectly valid, at least that's that I learned in school all those years ago..... I'll make sure to leave it out next time ;p
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The top player by points is SeleCT, an American
Sure, tell yourself that.. and TLO is swedish? Jinro Korean?
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On June 08 2011 17:23 confusedcrib wrote:We actually discussed this very fact before publishing the article, so you're not "breaking it to us," as much as I hate to break it to you. Select has been referring to himself as an American for the last few years, so we decided tor refer to him as such.
From the interviews heard with him, he can barely even speak english.
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On June 08 2011 17:52 hefty wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 14:13 MisterFred wrote:I was already pumped for NASL finals: sorry MLG it's way more epic because of the prize money and long build up. Now I'm even more pumped. + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2011 12:20 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 12:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:I found this funny But obviously there’s a reason for this, right? The Koreans are dealing with lag (like they'd sweep the podium at a NA LAN event), or these aren’t the best Koreans (as if someone like, say, MMA, would beat July), or something else; I'm sure someone will tell us.
When they have swept every single foreign tournametn they have played in with the sole exception of Dreamhack winter. IEM? 3 Koreans Dreamhack Invitational? Only Korean in attendance won. Copenhagen? Korean win. Whatever that Australian tournament Ace won was called. MLG? Top 3 Koreans. So, uhm yes, maybe go a little less heavy on the sarcasm? Lol yeah...not to mention that certain foreign players - including one that I'm sure the writer is a huge fan of, judging from the superlatives - and casters themselves acknowledged that latency is an issue sometimes. I don't understand the need for a snide and sarcastic remark either. I can't tell if Jinro knows he and the authors agree completely . I'm going to assume yes. But they don't? This is how I understood this: Writer goes: "Koreans are good but not great/unbeatable, but I'm sure someone will tell us it is because of the lag etc", implying that people will claim koreans are better than these results suggest. Jinro goes: "They won everything except one LAN tourney", implying that they really are better than these results suggest when not hindered by circumstances (whether that be lag or something else). What I would like to ask Jinro, is if he means that lag is the reason koreans "underperform" here, if that really is what he is implying. Personally I believe the koreans competing are for the most part quite a lot better than the majority of foreigners, although a few foreigners seems to be close to even the best koreans in skill level. I were excited for the NASL finals, but htis made me stoked!
The fact that its at 5-9 am in the morning also plays a role, but really all Im saying is that its a very poorly choosen subject for sarcasm when it actually has been the case.
I dunno, just the last part 'Im sure someone will tell us' made it seem like he was sarcastically dismissing all those excuses oO
On June 08 2011 21:59 Wekapedia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 17:23 confusedcrib wrote:On June 08 2011 17:20 sandyph wrote:SeleCT, an American hate to break it to you, but  SeleCT We actually discussed this very fact before publishing the article, so you're not "breaking it to us," as much as I hate to break it to you. Select has been referring to himself as an American for the last few years, so we decided tor refer to him as such. From the interviews heard with him, he can barely even speak english.
He speaks English fine, tho it was my understanding that he choose to be listed in TLPD under the Korean flag so that makes the above quoted statement a bit confusing regardless.
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While it would add more complications, I think the idea of dropping folks out of the bottom of the league makes a lot of sense and would help everyone understand the consequences of wins/losses in the league.
Also, Gretorp is one of my favorite casters and I hope the player pool gets even better next season (1st season was very solid, hard to predict folks like QXC and Painuser will go diving off a cliff like they did).All in all, it's been great so far, and production has really stepped up.
Hoping for great playoffs and an even better second season!
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On June 08 2011 22:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 17:52 hefty wrote:On June 08 2011 14:13 MisterFred wrote:I was already pumped for NASL finals: sorry MLG it's way more epic because of the prize money and long build up. Now I'm even more pumped. + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2011 12:20 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 12:07 Liquid`Jinro wrote:I found this funny But obviously there’s a reason for this, right? The Koreans are dealing with lag (like they'd sweep the podium at a NA LAN event), or these aren’t the best Koreans (as if someone like, say, MMA, would beat July), or something else; I'm sure someone will tell us.
When they have swept every single foreign tournametn they have played in with the sole exception of Dreamhack winter. IEM? 3 Koreans Dreamhack Invitational? Only Korean in attendance won. Copenhagen? Korean win. Whatever that Australian tournament Ace won was called. MLG? Top 3 Koreans. So, uhm yes, maybe go a little less heavy on the sarcasm? Lol yeah...not to mention that certain foreign players - including one that I'm sure the writer is a huge fan of, judging from the superlatives - and casters themselves acknowledged that latency is an issue sometimes. I don't understand the need for a snide and sarcastic remark either. I can't tell if Jinro knows he and the authors agree completely . I'm going to assume yes. But they don't? This is how I understood this: Writer goes: "Koreans are good but not great/unbeatable, but I'm sure someone will tell us it is because of the lag etc", implying that people will claim koreans are better than these results suggest. Jinro goes: "They won everything except one LAN tourney", implying that they really are better than these results suggest when not hindered by circumstances (whether that be lag or something else). What I would like to ask Jinro, is if he means that lag is the reason koreans "underperform" here, if that really is what he is implying. Personally I believe the koreans competing are for the most part quite a lot better than the majority of foreigners, although a few foreigners seems to be close to even the best koreans in skill level. I were excited for the NASL finals, but htis made me stoked! The fact that its at 5-9 am in the morning also plays a role, but really all Im saying is that its a very poorly choosen subject for sarcasm when it actually has been the case. I dunno, just the last part 'Im sure someone will tell us' made it seem like he was sarcastically dismissing all those excuses oO
<3! 5-9 in the morning. Sheesh! Gamer hours I guess. Anyway, sorry for not also including Jinro fighting! in my earlier response. Also, please forgive my appreciation of the easter island cheerfuls.
Think you'll be applying for the next NASL?
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miniWHEAT is the JaeDong of the future. Unless he plays Terran (Flash!).....
I agree with all comments on the casters. I think Diggity should get some more reps, he is good. TotalBiscuit is a great change of pace.
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Here's to hoping I get to take a picture with SLAYERS FREAKIN BOXERRRR
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The top player by points is SeleCT, an American
Oh really? Lol.. He's not american..
He's just in America..
Sure, tell yourself that.. and TLO is swedish? Jinro Korean?
This! +1
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On June 09 2011 02:45 vpatrickd wrote:Oh really? Lol.. He's not american.. He's just in America.. This! +1
You are the 12th person to point this out, Select has referred to himself as American for a few years and we discussed this before posting the article and decided we would call him American on the grounds of adopted citizenship.... he's been living in the US for long enough that he can be considered a naturalized American ;p
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On June 08 2011 11:55 motbob wrote:
As long as NASL doesn't have any official explanation about tiebreaking procedures, I'm just not going to stress about it.
They do have official rules btw Motmob, it goes as follows:
Win-Loss
Points (games won minus games lost)
Head to head
Therefore if two players have the same win-loss, same points then whomever won their group match advances. It might be head to head then points, as i heard something the other night that made me go "Huh? I though it was the other way around" but those are the three things they use for tie breaks
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On June 08 2011 05:37 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 05:26 Beyonder wrote:iNcontroL is one of the kings of strong standard play, as is Sjow. Both of these players showcase extremely safe and solid styles that should be great for incorporating into your macro play. iNcontrol tends to be very solid in his decision making, showing you great places to hide pylons and when are good timings to poke out with your army. Sjow is very solid in his macro and decision making as well, a great player to learn proper army control and movement from. Both of these players should teach some great timings to poke and prod at your opponent Doesnt inc do a lot of funky stuff? His way is mindgames, not necessarily standard games :o (e.g. his silly stuff vs losira).. And sjow is kind of different too lately (e.g. his tank/hellion pushes vs zerg^^) Great to see a well written positive report! Think we are a tad harsh sometimes on sc2 ^_^ gj. And oohh, I especially like JimLloyd's part! I find myself confused as to what Incontrols style of play actually is - on his stream he's 99% of the time playing straight up long macro games, however in alot of tournament games he goes for some sort of rush or funky strategy.
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On June 08 2011 11:42 emythrel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 09:12 mDuo13 wrote:It’s always a treat to watch Boxer play; he has the best mix of safe and creative play and makes some awesome decisions while playing. Uhhh... I love to watch the Emperor play as well, but... I wouldn't call most things BoxeR does "safe". If anything, he takes calculated risks as much as anyone. I find the cutoff lines for playoffs in the OP confusing. As I understand, there are 16 spots in the playoffs -- 10 for division winners, 5 for high-ranked wildcards, and 1 from the open qualifier... so how are all 22 of the players above Cutoff #1 "almost certainly" going to make it in? Those aside, good thread. Looking forward to NASL's playoffs. You have simply misunderstood the play-off system. The top 2 from each group go straight to the finals. the next 20 players overall go to the play-offs where they will be split in to 5 groups of 4, whomever wins their bracket also advances to the finals totalling 15 players in the finals, the last spot is taken by the winner of the open tournament.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I didn't realize there was a separate playoff system between division winners and the final 16.
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Nice writeup overall but, in the first section of recommended games, I thought that the word "creative" was used a bit too much. Unfortunately I haven't seen the vods or the games, and I'm sure the ones he picked are probably a good watch, but I started to doubt that they were all "creative" once the word had been used 10 or so times.
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Naniwa stripped of his chances in NASL because the admins screwed up  Sad.
EDIT: Oh, nvm, didn't realize there were play-offs.
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