On June 09 2011 05:48 Valckrie wrote:
Nice writeup overall but, in the first section of recommended games, I thought that the word "creative" was used a bit too much. Unfortunately I haven't seen the vods or the games, and I'm sure the ones he picked are probably a good watch, but I started to doubt that they were all "creative" once the word had been used 10 or so times.

That section is a preview of this week, not a review of last week.... ;p

JimLloyd

United States93 Posts

June 09 2011 00:50 GMT

#183

To Jinro, et. al.:

I didn’t mean to dismiss the lag / time zone issues in my post, only those people who seem to reflexively dismiss any result where a foreigner beats a Korean, attributing it to some procedural factor rather than the substance of the games.* Obviously those issues are very real, and I did not mean to minimize the concerns that you, for example, explained in your illuminating post after the first round of TSL3. It was a a little dig at the people who post immediately upon the result’s announcement exactly why the Korean lost, and it couldn’t possibly have been because he was outplayed. We know those people exist, and I wanted to poke them a little.

Likewise, there’s another group of people who reflexively proclaim the triumph of the foreigner scene and the demise of Korean Starcraft dominance any time a Korean loses. My post was also meant to wind them up, and, in a sense, myself. I'm a naive optimist when it comes to the foreigner scene -- I’m always psyching myself up for the next upset that I just know is going to happen this time! And so when my hopes, as usual, came crashing down at MLG Columbus ("crashing down" in the form of some beautiful play from undeniably fantastic players -- no ill will from me towards the Korean invites), I put in the other stuff, too.

Yes, there was sarcasm there, but my portion of the coverage was a bit more opinion-oriented than the others, and Team Liquid often publishes opinionated stuff. I meant no disrespect to the players or anyone else.

Jim

*I think this is generalizable to all of Starcraft -- the idea that because we all just know that player X is better than player Y, so if player Y beats player X, it must be because of lag, or cheese, or some flaw in the game that must be fixed / patched out / &c.

tadL

Croatia679 Posts

June 09 2011 01:22 GMT

#184

Plz stop attacking confusedcrib for what he wrote, its still an US side, so ofc US players get more hyped. But everybody in europe knows that qxc just 2rax bunkerrushs against zerg for example. But i can live with that, i mean team liquid is the community platform for sc2 and if they consider to be that pro US players than its how it is.

Anyway nice read but some facts i dont understand, qxz is just an example but ok.

its an invite tournament and most invites are done cause of popularity and not skill. but this will also never change. so gl hf to all and plz get for next season more qualifier slots. tsl included

Waxangel

United States33608 Posts

June 09 2011 06:50 GMT

#185

Don't mind Jinro, he's very protective of his colleagues

Primadog

United States4411 Posts

June 09 2011 07:10 GMT

#186

Updated for Day9-2
Four possible outcomes for NASL players post-season:

Automatic spot into the Grand Finals at Ontario - 2 per division (10 players)
Participate in Week 10 playoffs for the next 20 ranked players (20 players)
Survive for next season for the next 4 players (4 players)*
Bottom 16 players are eliminated from NASL (16 players)
*Top 34 players move onto next NASL season.

1. Players that are locked for the Grand Finals at Ontario, July 8-10: (7/50)
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1.5 Players that either will get an automatic spot or into the playoffs: (6/50)
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ONE of Ret / Ace
TWO of BoxeR / Sen / IdrA / Zenio

2. Players mathematically guaranteed entering into week 10 playoffs: (16/50)
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2.5 Will not be eliminated: (1/50)
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iNcontroL 4-5 (-4pt)

3. Anywhere from playoffs to elimination: (5/50)
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Stalife 3-5 (-2pt)
dde 3-5 (-5pt)
ClouD 3-5 (-5pt)
SLush 3-5 (-6pt)
BRAT_OK 3-5 (-6pt)

3.5. At best stays for next season: (6/50)
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Ensnare 3-6 (-4pt)
RainBOw 3-6 (-5pt)
ViBE 3-6 (-6pt)
mOOnGLaDe 2-6 (-5pt)
HayprO 2-6 (-6pt)
Tyler 2-6 (-6pt)

4. Players mathematically eliminated from NASL: (8/50)
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stalife

Canada1222 Posts

June 09 2011 07:58 GMT

#187

What`s interesting is that a player may not make the playoffs even with 4 wins...It really comes down to the points. In my case.. if I win vs BRAT_OK, I secure myself a spot in the playoffs, if not, I will not make the playoffs, but probably be safe for season 2. Brat_OK`s case is weird since he may not make the playoffs even with a 2-0 victory over me.

Primadog

United States4411 Posts

June 09 2011 08:19 GMT

#188

On June 09 2011 16:58 stalife wrote:
What`s interesting is that a player may not make the playoffs even with 4 wins...It really comes down to the points. In my case.. if I win vs BRAT_OK, I secure myself a spot in the playoffs, if not, I will not make the playoffs, but probably be safe for season 2. Brat_OK`s case is weird since he may not make the playoffs even with a 2-0 victory over me.

You took a game off MC, Ret, and Hasuobs, so you certainly deserves to control your own destiny.

I'm rooting for you! Good luck tommorow, stalife!

natebreen

United States184 Posts

June 09 2011 13:27 GMT

#189

Sheth is so funny.

Dude makes me happy watching him be happy.

speakerbox

Canada453 Posts

June 09 2011 17:32 GMT

#190

I feel like NASL started years ago.. longest tournament of all time

Silvanel

Poland4756 Posts

June 09 2011 17:55 GMT

#191

Nice read, cleared the picture a bot for me.

Cirqueenflex

499 Posts

June 09 2011 20:03 GMT

#192

lets be honest, last week wasn't watched least because of the many walkovers and bad games, but because the stream lagged so hard the entire week ppl couldnt just couldnt watch
i would have watched if there would have been a working stream