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Megash
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland80 Posts
May 07 2011 01:38 GMT
#61
very good job
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 07 2011 03:50 GMT
#62
On May 07 2011 08:27 Murderotica wrote:
Lightwip as your SKT predecessor I have to say that although I am a rabid fan of SKT I can see the truth when I hear it from knowledgeable sources and Milkis is no different. Bisu played great that game but not perfect. Zero played better. Bisu's excessive zeal count in the late game was a problem to KidCanada (A- player) and many people watching, and although a few foreign viewers, only one of which was a "good" player, is not necessarily a definitive judgment on his play (who knows why he did that besides him and other pros better than us?) the reason why he lost still lies there.

I want to take this moment to make an aside that thoguh Bisu has been rolling PvZ again it's not because of him playing astoundingly well but moreso because most Zergs don't know how to deal with his new style. Mechanically speaking, Bisu is of course above most Zergs; but a clear counter to his build or a mistake in composition, or in this case both, is the reason why Bisu has hot streaks and not-so-hot streaks. His 70% comes from 1. being mechanically better than Zergs he faces but more importantly 2. being ahead in the metagame. With Zero's recent win, it was shown that there is a clear response to his current approach in PvZ - air supremacy denial with the low mineral cost of scourge, allowing the Zerg to make more static D which prevents the early-game Zealot damage that is typical of BvZ recently. Reminiscent of PvZ of 4-5 years ago, Zealot timing pushes had lost their effectiveness for Bisu in this game due to the Z's educated answer to them, and it seems to be slowly returning. I believe that soon Bisu's vZ winrate will slowly decrease towards one of his usual low points before he can change it up again. It was not a "bashing" of Bisu by any means, but an astute observation on how a dominant player in the match-up got outplayed.

Before you can truly appreciate a player you have to understand their strengths as well as their faults, and it is myopic to claim that any criticisms (obviously well-founded due to the result) are "bashing." Equivalent of calling 9 pool speed a cheese build and just getting frustrated over it instead of learning how to identify and deal with it.

Note: I am only a C Protoss so I might be wrong about things that I am not good enough to know that I am wrong about.

EDIT: Also your biased assertion that Milkis contributes so much to the community through his PL write-ups solely to bash Bisu is one of the most selfish, ignorant, and disrespectful things I have seen in a while and I expect a person who has become more integral to the TL BW scene in terms of contributions to LR/interviews to have a more mature approach to well-constructed criticisms.

Don't think I don't think Bisu has flaws. I just wanted to point out how often Milkis bashes Bisu. Other than that one post, every writeup has one form of Bisu bashing or another.
I said that he only does it to bash Bisu as a joke just to point out how much he does it.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 07 2011 04:40 GMT
#63
My point is that he is not bashing Bisu but analyzing the game based on the facts. PM me for further discussion.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
May 07 2011 07:23 GMT
#64
wait, wrong FBH vs Mind game there... :/

correct game:
POGGERS
Comet702
Profile Joined April 2010
China236 Posts
May 07 2011 08:11 GMT
#65
On May 06 2011 19:07 a9arnn wrote:
Great writeup, as per usual ! I'm gonna need to go and watch some of these games... stupid end of the school year is killing me though...
I am really proud of my FPL team though, I knew FBH would pull through for me :D (I wish the rest of my team would do the same though lol)


oh, it`s ok.
if you finished, please let me know. you can PM me or just name that thread "odds and ends".
thx
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
May 07 2011 08:35 GMT
#66
On May 07 2011 17:11 Comet702 wrote:
oh, it`s ok.
if you finished, please let me know. you can PM me or just name that thread "odds and ends".
thx


No offense, but please don't tell us what to do and when we should have things by. It'll be up when it is up and I don't see why we should PM you or anything.
Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
May 07 2011 08:39 GMT
#67
another very good write-up
"Bisu is just too good." - Jaedong (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218995) "Bisu hyung's play is just too good" - Flash (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225861)
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
May 07 2011 09:09 GMT
#68
Thx for this. I'll read the whole JD - Baby analysis when I get back from Univ. Epic write up.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
May 07 2011 14:02 GMT
#69
Great write up!
I really enjoyed the battle report between Baby and Jaedong ^_^
Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
May 07 2011 15:23 GMT
#70
insane write up
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
May 07 2011 18:33 GMT
#71
Great recap thanks ! Can someone enlighten me about why Hite Entus has been renamed to CJ Entus in both Liquibet and this recap ? I know former Hite players suck, but Leta's been doing quite well until now.
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 08 2011 00:28 GMT
#72
Thanks for the consistent write ups.
Haven't seen an ACE featured write up in a VERY long time...

I loveeeeeee youuu guyssss
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Comet702
Profile Joined April 2010
China236 Posts
May 08 2011 08:29 GMT
#73
On May 07 2011 17:35 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 17:11 Comet702 wrote:
oh, it`s ok.
if you finished, please let me know. you can PM me or just name that thread "odds and ends".
thx


No offense, but please don't tell us what to do and when we should have things by. It'll be up when it is up and I don't see why we should PM you or anything.


No offense. I simply wanna get the latest odds and ends ASAP and translate it into Chinese. So I just ask him to do me a favour. It all depends on you.
thx^_^
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AnyOne
Profile Joined January 2008
Chile547 Posts
May 08 2011 14:12 GMT
#74
GREAT READING
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