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The Liquid Weekly #3: Liquid` Land in Korea

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Liquid` Land in Korea - Aug 24th, GSL Quals - Aug 28th 2010


Just a few hours ago, TLAF-Liquid`Nazgul, TLAF-Liquid`Jinro and TLAF-Liquid`TLO arrived in Seoul, Korea. They will spend the next few days settling down and practicing for the Global Starcraft League offline qualifiers that will be played out on Saturday. [More]

Liquid`Tyler @ MLG Raleigh, 27th - 29th August 2010


Your favourite American Protoss TLAF-Liquid`Tyler will be at the first big SC2 LAN in America. Representing Liquid` at MLG Raleigh, Tyler will be tested on the big stage for the first time in SC2, and we're sure it's going to be grand! [More]


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Liquid` Land in Korea - Aug 24th, GSL Quals - Aug 28th 2010


Just a few hours ago, TLAF-Liquid`Nazgul, TLAF-Liquid`Jinro and TLAF-Liquid`TLO arrived in Seoul, Korea. They will spend the next few days settling down and practicing for the Global Starcraft League offline qualifiers that will be played out on Saturday.

Speaking from Seoul, TLAF-Liquid`Nazgul said that the three of them had arrived safely and that all was well on their end. The team was also interviewed upon arrival so expect some coverage in the Korean media soon!

The next few days will be a busy few days for Naz, Jinro and TLO as they prepare themselves for the GSL Offline Qualifiers which will be held on Saturday. We wish them the best of luck as they ready themselves for the task at hand, and invite you to join us here on TL this weekend as we follow their progress. In celebration of our home team touching soil in Seoul, we have a special feature this week called Korea, Korea, which we hope you will enjoy.


Liquid`Tyler @ MLG Raleigh, 27th - 29th August 2010


Your favourite American Protoss TLAF-Liquid`Tyler will be at the first big SC2 LAN in America. Representing Liquid` at MLG Raleigh, Tyler will be tested on the big stage for the first time in SC2, and we're sure it's going to be grand!

We haven't seen a lot of our friendly neighbourhood Protoss for a while and it's with a sense of excitement that we look forward to this weekend. Not only will the reigning TSL Champion be playing at a big LAN for the first time in ages, he will also be taking on some of America's finest. Our MLG coverage team has more on the event itself, and there's an exclusive interview in this weekly itself. Tyler fans, rejoice!


TLO @ IEM Gamescom - Event Finished


In case you didn't know, the Intel Extreme Masters Global Challenge for Starcraft 2 was on last weekend, and Liquid` was there in the form of TLAF-Liquid`TLO. Our German hero went 3-0 in his group beating Cloud, Whitera and Madfrog 2-0 to come out of the group stages unbeaten. He did lose to Morrow in the quarter finals, but all in all he played some great SC2 and of course gave us a series to remember vs Korean progaming legend Nada.

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TLO, after being asked whether TvZ was imbalanced.

Speaking of the showmatch, we have the vods in TWIV and you should definitely check them out if you haven't already. Well played, Nada and TLO, and we hope you guys get to meet soon in Korea.

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TL user lopper on the meetup: "And guess what: I got a perfect seat right next to Demuslim, Nazgul and TLO. Oh my, had I red cheeks".

Of course, that's not all that happened at IEM. It was a full week of nerdery and TL was well represented. Whether you were hanging with the players at the awesome meetup organized by fishyjoes, or were rooting for TL on stream like many of us, it certainly was a weekend to remember. You can find pictures and VODs on the ESL site. All of TLO's replays from the tournament are zipped and ready in TWIR.





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The All American Protoss.

Hi Tyler, and thanks for dropping by. It's a big week for you with MLG Raleigh coming up! How have preparations for that been going?

Hi! They've been going well. I like to lay low but everyone should know that I always show up to big events prepared =]


Indeed. MLG Raleigh will be your first live event for SC2. As a Broodwar player, for years you watched E-Sports in the United States pick up around other games. Now that SC2 is here, how does it feel to be good at the game that everyone wants to play?

It's really exciting. Everyone has always respected SC1 players but there will be so much more interest and excitement from the masses with SC2 that I'm definitely looking forward to. I've played a lot of live events but I haven't had a really epic on-stage match in front of a big crowd. I'm hoping to get that out of MLG this year.


Yeah, let's talk a bit about MLG, IEM and other North American events. As a player who has the potential to play across the globe, how important are local events to you, and what sort of focus will you be giving them over the next year or so?

I loooove events in North America. I would be delighted to play most of my events here. But I would have to play something in Asia or Europe occasionally just to enjoy the travel and people. For the next year, I'm planning to stay close to home. I wouldn't want to do the GSL until I feel confident about placing in the top 4. But it's wonderful to know that I'm being taken care of by such an amazing sponsor that would send me to the GSL any time I wanted =]


Oh right, that clarifies a lot of things, I think. So North America it is! Since you said you enjoy local tourneys, maybe tell us what you like most about them, and also what you are looking forward to the most about MLG Raleigh.

I like the short travel times and it's easier for me to keep my focus. And I'm enthralled by the idea of e-sports in the US so I'm always extra happy to attend an event here. Going to other countries is awesome but I always feel a bit of jealousy and I wish that the US had as much going on as the rest of the world does. For MLG Raleigh specifically, there are a ton of new StarCraft players for me to meet. I know all the old SC1 players but so many new faces have come to StarCraft!


Let's talk a bit about those new faces. Who are the new players, both in the US and on other servers, who you think will go far in SC2?

I have not watched enough to give a good comprehensive answer for this but I liked CauthonLuck. There have been a lot of pretty good players but progamers are going to outclass these new faces if they don't learn how to play and train like progamers. I don't know how to tell who is going to "get it" when things start to get really competitive.


You mention 'play and train like progamers'. As one of the few foreigners in recent years who has been to and played with a pro team in Korea, could you elaborate a little on the mindset and practice regimen that goes into creating a professional gamer?

Practicing 70 hours a week is common but I'm not sure that it's optimal. I think what's really important is the mindset. The significance of every detail of the game needs to be discovered. Right now most people are focused on big picture strategies but eventually they'll need to know how to adjust their decisions based on very small things. Also, when someone thinks "I know what I could have done better, but it's impossible to be fast enough to do that" then they don't have the mind of a progamer. It's impossible until someone does it. And then months later everyone will be doing it. But that first guy who did the impossible just might win a few major tournaments before the world catches up.


Given that you've lived and learnt in that environment, how do you feel about your teammates experiencing the same over the next few months? Also, how do you expect them to perform?

I think their experience is going to be much different than mine. They are not joining one of the KeSPA teams and they're not starting at the bottom. But they will enjoy the great benefit of being with progamers of vast experience and working in a group is naturally much easier than working alone. I expect them to have an edge over everyone else. The only thing I regret is that SC2's battle.net cannot facilitate a low latency, lag free game from Korea to US like SC1's battle.net could do.


Yeah, the latency issue is a major problem, isn't it? Speaking of pro teams though, and especially because you have an interest in E-Sports in North America, do you think that professional Korean- style SC2 teams with full time players and fully operational team houses will ever be a reality over there?

I don't think that Korean-style team houses will ever come to America. I do think America will have some professional players making good salaries like Korea.


If there was one piece of advice you could give your teammates as they go to Korea, what would it be?

Stay healthy. It'll be tempting to skip meals, or just eat ramen, or sacrifice sleep, or never exercise. But if you are healthy you will get more out of your practice =]


Alright! Well, thanks Tyler for your time, and glhf as you get ready for MLG Raleigh. We look forward to seeing you on stream, and have no doubt that you'll give us some games to remember. GG!

Thanks!


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Ah, Korea, the wild west of E-Sports! Indeed, the members of (Wiki)Team Liquid, who just arrived there today, follow a long line of foreign gamers who went to its fair shores in search of fame, fortune and victory. Some crumbled under the pressure, some became stars. And the (Wiki)Liquipedia Foreign Scene Portal has them all.

The bonjwa before bonjwas, OSL Winner (Wiki)&</a>. The overly talented KBK Winner <a title=(Wiki)&</a>. All-killing, Reaverdropping, Winktoss <a title=(Wiki)&</a>. Progaming-legend-and-now-Poker-Superstar, <a title=(Wiki)&</a>. And of course, the returnee, <a title=(Wiki)&</a> himself. Eight years have passed, the cycle is complete and a new beginning awaits. Read all about it on <a title=(Wiki)Liquipedia.

Moving on though, this special segment of this LW is for those of you who need a little introduction to Korea, even as our home team has now arrived there! Look below to see an an interview with Hwang "Spunky" Kyu Hoon, the manager of Korean SC2 team oGs and then read some progaming stories penned by former Australia progamer Peter "Legionnaire" Neate.

Spunky Speaks: oGs, SC2, the future of E-Sports

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Spunky, Manager of oGs. (Image credit - Game Chosun)

Hello Spunky, and thank you for taking the time to talk to us today. You need no introduction here on TL, so I'm just going to jump right into it! These are exciting times for SC2 in general, and oGs in particular - how are you guys preparing for the GSL and what's the general feeling among the players at the moment?

Well, I am 99% sure that one of our oGs members will win it and all our players agree with that at the moment. We are very confident that we can win this and the players in oGs are all working really hard to prepare for this tournament.


Good luck with all the training! Given that you're an ex Broodwar progamer, why not tell us a bit about the similarities and differences between how training was for SCBW back then and how it is now as oGs prepares for the first big SC2 tourney in Korea? What has changed? What has remained the same?

There are a lot of similarities and differences between SC1 and SC2. After early midgame, the game becomes much more similar to SC1 because it comes down to a lot of macro with multi tasking. There is a lot of psycological warfare between two high level players for both SC1 and SC2. Since the game is much easier to play in SC2 (hotkeys, macro, micro) it’s more important that you think ahead of your opponent and consistently trick him into making mistakes. The way we train is very similar to SC1, however, we talk about strategies and think a lot more compared to SC1. Since micro, macro is much easier, it seems like timings and strategy is becoming a lot more important.


Interesting point. So in terms of strategy and timings, is Research and Development a strong focus at oGs these days? Could you tell us a little bit about how you guys approach the development of builds?

We spend most of our time discussing about new timings and using units that are not used as often. Early game is very important and you really need to use a different build on almost every map to find a small edge over your opponent. We time check and practice so we find the best build orders and strategies vs each race on each map all the time. Another way of thinking of it is:

In PVT if protoss succeeds in getting 5 collosus/20 stalkers/10zealots/10 pheonix by midgame without getting in much trouble, it’s very very hard for Protoss to lose in any fight vs Terran at this timing. So we think of how we can get these units and then in how many minutes we can get them into the game safely and play on from there.


Sounds very methodical. No wonder your guys are doing so well! So, let's talk a bit about Liquid` and oGs and what their newly announced partnership entails. What are you (and oGs) most looking forward to about this arrangement?

Well a lot of people around me always have had lots of respect for TL and also because of my long standing relationship with Nazgul, this was able to work. Those TL players will be staying with us at our gaming house and will be practicing and improving together. You guys should soon be able to see a TL logo on oGs uniforms and an oGs logo on TL uniforms very soon!


So given that your players know that soon they'll be in the same team house with Liquid, what have their reactions been like in general?

Well I am pretty sure the TL guys are very excited. Most oGs members are looking forward to it, but some still think foreigners are really behind in game level compared to Koreans so would rather just have other Koreans join the team, as opposed to foreigners. This shouldn’t be interpreted as racism, it’s just a mindset over here. However, since I've been close with all foreign players and Koreans for 10 years now, I know for a fact that this alliance will be the benefit for both TL and oGs


Yeah, Liquid` is definitely psyched about this partnership as well! Let's talk about your crew. The likes of Rainbow are well known thanks to their SCBW progaming careers, but Ensnare and some of the others we know less about. Could you give us foreign fans a quick rundown of your team?

Rainbow has been kinda off his game for a while but oGsEnsnare has been the top Terran in Korea for the past 2-3months and is getting better. We have a lot of other great players that foreigners probably don't know of much, like: oGsTheStC, oGsZenio, oGsHyperdub, oGsInCa and oGsGon. Our players are by far the best in Korea and I am very sure that the TL players will gain and learn a lot from these guys.


Let's look into the future a little. Do you see more foreign teams following in the footsteps of Liquid` and moving to Korea to try their luck in the GSL qualifiers and other leagues?

After a while, I am sure that a lot of foreigners will be coming to Korea because the prize pools for these monthly tournaments are so insanely big. Also there are probably going to be pro-leagues like SC1 coming next year as well so it’s gonna be a lot of fun. Since it costs a lot of money to have a team in Korea, I think most foreign players who play in Korea will be joining Korean teams when they arrive. Unless of course they find a million dollar sponsor to support them in Korea.


You speak of SC2 proleagues. There has been a lot of talk about if the game will catch on or not. As someone who has been in and around the Korean gaming scene for a long time, what is your take on this? Will SC2 effectively replace Broodwar as the #1 E-Sports title in Korea?

I am pretty sure that SC2 will overtake BW, it’s really just a matter of time. OnGameNet (OGN) is going to start broadcasting GSL next month. The commentators are dropping by our oGs house to learn the game since they need to be prepared. MBCgame is having a lot of plans as well. It’s just a matter of time till Kespa finally finishes negotiating with GOM TV and gets things going properly.


That's big news indeed! What about the game's reception among Korean players in general. There have been reports that it's not catching on very quickly and that a lot of people prefer Broodwar at the moment for casual play. Is this true, and if so, do you see this changing?

Yeah, there are some problems regarding SC2. My thoughts are:

1. SC needs battle.net, because the reason BW got big and became a cultural game in Korea was because there was battle.net, where people meet new people and get to know each other through these BN channels. A lot of people spent more time chatting and hanging out with their buddies through clan channels then actually playing the game. So this is one of the biggest reasons I think why SC2 is having trouble catching up.

2. You need a super computer to play SC2! I personally bought a computer for 1200$ this February but needed to upgrade it again recently to play SC2 recently because of all the new patches. This just makes it really hard for the average Joe at home to play SC2. You can't just play the game by purchasing it, you need to buy a new PC as well. There are also millions of smaller reasons but those two are the biggest in my opinion. Blizzard needs battle.net for Sc2 for it to be as big as BW!


One last question about SC2 – some old Starcraft veterans feel that SC2 just doesn't have the ability to produce awe inspiring "wow" moments like the original Starcraft and that the game itself doesn't lend itself to super high level play that leaves fans amazed. Having played both games, what do you have to say about this?

Well, we've only played SC2 for around half a year right now so it’s way too early to judge anything. Also there are going to be 2 expansion packs so things will change ALOT as it goes on. For BW, the game is still evolving and it’s been 10 years. It’s been 6months for SC2 so I suggest that whoever is judging the game so quickly should wait and watch for what might happen in the near future.


We're about wrapping up here - is there anything you'd like to say to Team Liquid, the community, as we ourselves look forward to seeing your team and our team working together?

I am not much of a community guy, I lived with Rekrul, giyom and others around me for many years now and the only time I would check TL is when I see them looking at the forums. I noticed that the TL community members never got enough information about Korea and "real" behind the scenes information about real pro-gaming life in Korea. I am sure that with this partnership, people will get more info and a better view of the action going on in Korea and that this will bring the Korean community and the foreign community closer together!
And yes, I am looking forward to us coming together, it’s gonna be a lot of fun and domination!

Fun and domination, what a solid note to part on. Thanks for talking to us, Spunky, and glhf to you and everyone at oGs. We look forward to hearing more from you guys soon!


Leg's Tall Tales: Korea at the Beginning of the Decade

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(Wiki)Peter "Legionnaire" Neate is a legend here on TL, and as such, will not get much of an introduction. Progamer, moderator and Protoss powerhouse, he is most famous for (Wiki)performing the first all-kill in Broodwar. For many years, he also held the record for most kills on a single Reaver. But I digress. The man is here today to tell us three stories from a progamer's life at the beginning of the decade.

Taking a Chance

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It was the end of 2002 a group of us were at the Incheon airport in Korea. The group comprised of the Australian representative team that had attended the 10 day long World Cyber Games tournament, it was an awesome event and we had all had a lot of fun.

The flight back to Sydney was a measly 14 hours, but fortunately for the two of us we didn't have to catch the flight. Cary Shultz and myself, 2 of the 3 Australian StarCraft players had both taken the choice to extend our holiday visas to the maximum 3 months allowed - we did this to see what we could make of gaming, and hopefully of progaming, in the world's most competitive e-sports scene.

The next 3 months were pretty horrendous. We had no real plans, nor did we know the language. We stayed with the Australian team organiser's family and went and played at a PC Cafe down the street where we were given free computer use. This lasted a short time, because the husband of the family got annoyed with us staying at his house and asked us to leave. We turned to the Aus WCG organiser again, who promised us he'd find us nice accommodation and that it would all be fine.

A week later, we had moved up to the far far north of South Korea, and were sharing accommodation with 2 university students in exchange for letting them practice their English with us. This was definitely not what I was expecting and we both thought of just quitting and going home.

We'd played a lot on battle.net and had spoken to a few players in pro teams. Our skills were improving, but beyond that nothing had happened.

A friend of ours took pity on us and tried to help. He set us up with a few companies that might sponsor us to continue to our gaming. Although some showed promise, nothing eventuated. As our time ran out, we had nothing to show for it but a few good - and bad - memories.

Oh well... at least we had an interesting holiday.

The last week we spent a while catching up with friends, drinking soju and having a good time. A few days before our flight home, one of the companies, a pc cafe chain, called and said they would sponsor us. This was our chance.


First Blood

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We had been set up in a little studio apartment each in Yang-Jae-Dong, a nice area in Seoul. Every day we walked to the headquarters of the company where they had some PCs set up that we could practice on. One of the computers had 'elky' written on it, as this was where they used to practice until the manager had gotten into a fight with the sponsors and withdrawn elky from their sponsorship and moved him to AMD. (This incidentally them to ask us to join them).

We weren't complaining, and we trained every day trying to improve our skills. Truth be told, we weren't very good in comparison to the top pros. My macro sucked, my micro had flaws, my builds were horrendous and I totally sucked in the Protoss vs Zerg matchup. I only really had two things going for me. (1) My strategies were totally different to the Korean styles (i.e - I did lots of weird builds), and (2) my Reaver micro was pretty darn awesome.

Three months passed, the company renewed my contract, but cancelled Cary's. Cary then spent a while in Korea having fun before returning to Aus.

A short time after my renewal I was entered into the MBC Amateur touranment. 511 of the best up and coming Korean gamers who were not under a pro contract were signed up to participate. 511 Koreans... and me.

It was a multi day event, everyone would play 5 rounds, bo3 matches, with the top 15 advancing to a tournament the following week to be broadcast live on national TV.

The first two rounds I was vs the dreaded enemy, the Zerg swarm. Fortunately they were the only zergs I faced, but if it had been in later rounds, versus better players, I probably would have lost. The other 3 matches were all won by Reaver micro and some mildly improved macro.

A week passed, my first televised match was about to begin. They had built a custom built stadium in the middle of a shopping centre, large broadcasting screens were up, and a large crowd had gathered to watch. My opponent was a Terran player who I had played before. He was decent, but like many korean amateurs at the time, he always had the same opening build, which he executed perfectly. Unfortunately they never seemed to learn to change builds sometimes so they didn't become predictable.

The first game was over in 6 minutes. I did a quick 2 gate, 1 zeal 2 goon rush that sniped his first tank behind his wallin, and allowed me to bust in. He typed GG.

The crowd cheered, the lights flashed, first blood was mine.

The second map he started with the same build, and this time I went the 'bulldog' which is a 3 gateway mass army build to counter their rush. I kept a few goons out in front so he couldn't scout and made him think I had a small army. It worked. He fell for it and rushed and was pretty much crippled for the rest of the game. I macroed and went carriers.

2-0. I was now into the top 8. I had just qualified as a jun-pro, or semi-professional gamer, without even realizing it.

The top 8 were scheduled to play the following week. My opponent was 'ggon' a player on the Samsung proteam. It was scheduled to be a Protoss vs Protoss match. I'd made friends with some members of the POS team who also had two players in the top 8 of the tournament. So I used these connections to play with terato (awesome pvz player, and fortunately his ro8 oppenent was also P so we gave each other lots of practice) and Junitoss who had incredible macro (and massive APM even by korean standards) and was a pretty darn good pvp'er. Unfortunately junitoss wasn't available for too many games as he had to practice a different match up. (One argument against junitoss was that bcause his APM was so high that he sometimes spammed clicking so much that he didn't actually micro at times when he should have during battles - weird.)

I probably practiced more for that match than any other prior to it, and had some decent builds ready for those maps. I knew very little about my opponent. The fateful day arrived, I sat down ready to play, and in the game screen, ggon picked zerg. Apparently he had asked the game officials during the week and they allowed it, without informing me.

Having done no real practice verse zerg for these maps, I got destroyed. He actually apologized for going zerg and said he'd go P for the 2nd game. As the counter began for the second game, 5...4...3. he switched from Protoss to Zerg at the last second. This time at least I put up a fight and died after a 30min game.

As you may guess, I still dislike him to this day! But this allowed me to realize how seriously some people take it and how much better I'd have to become so that things like this wouldn't matter.

Soon afterwards, my friendship and practice with the POS team paid off, they offered me a chance to join their team.

Some of my best memories of my time in Korea were because of the POS team (now MBCGame) and the players on it. My experience with Koreans, were that they were almost always kind, but the POS team more so than others. A big thanks to all of them.


Perks of the Trade

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I was only a mediocre player andI saw my time in Korea as more of an extended holiday playing games and having fun rather than a career, as so many young Koreans did at the time. But even so, I'd had a number of successes while gaming. This, combined with the fact I was a foreigner, allowed me to stand out a bit from other gamers and gave me a higher profile compared to some who had had more success.

Not that I was going to complain, of course.

I was now on the Hexatron team (Giyom's and Elky's team, and along with Assem it meant that all the foreigners were on one team).

My profile was enough that I was asked to attend the prematch opening of the StarLeague in Busan.

Most finals at the time were held in large stadiums like basketball arenas or in large open concert fields. This one was slightly different. The Haeundae beach is famous in Busan (southern coast of Korea) and they had constructed a huge custom built stadium at one end of the beach specifically for this match. At LEAST a thousand rows of 100 seats were perfectly lined up, facing the custom built stadium.

A few of the gamers had been flown down there to keep the crowds entertained before the matches were scheduled to begin. Jinsoo, and someone from Samsung were in a booth to sign autographs and later take photos with adoring fans.

Later that evening, as everyone was seated (and everyone who wasn't lucky enough to get a seat, stood) the fireworks began and they brought in the players in from the ocean, and up onto the beach in boats. They jumped off and made their way through the crowd up onto the stage area.

It was like being at a rock concert.


All in all I had a lot of fun, especially considering how close I was to going home without these experiences. If you ever get the chance to do something others consider insane, go do it. Have fun. Live life.

Regards,
Peter "Legionnaire" Neate.


Well, there you go, guys. Words of advice from a guy who lived the dream. Today, as Nazgul, Jinro and TLO set foot in Seoul, they became the first of the 4th Generation in Korea, the first group of foreign gamers going to Korea exclusively to train for and play Broodwar's successor.


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This has been a slow week for Liquid` replays, mainly thanks to IEM and the trip to Korea, but we're here with a few nevertheless. Of course, TLO's Gamescom run is all there, courtesy of ESL. Also, we have a special treat for Broodwar fans as well - tons, and I mean tons of TLAF-Liquid`Tyler ladder and practice reps from his last TSL run!

Liquid` Weekly #3 Ladder Replays (SC2)

TLO @ IEM Gamescom Global Challenge 2010 (SC2)

TLAF-Liquid`Tyler TSL2 Practice Replays (Broodwar)



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It doesn't matter if you're a Broodwar fan who wants to see Nada, a SC2 fan who thinks TLO is awesome, or like me, someone who thinks that both these players are brilliant in their own right, these VODs are awesome and you should watch them all.

Note: these VODs are not released by ESL and are sourced from third party Youtube accounts.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMHbDB-GD8Y
TLO vs Nada Showmatch


TLO's IEM Gamescom games are also available on the ESL TV site at the following links -
Group A: TLO vs Madfrog
Group A: TLO vs Whitera
Quarterfinals: TLO vs Morrow



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If you were retiring and had to choose one of the current ladder maps to live on, which one would you pick, and why?


TLAF-Liquid`Nazgul
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(Wiki)Lost Temple. Take the first Warp Prism to the island and you get sun and beaches. What more do we need?

TLAF-Liquid`Haypro
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(Wiki)Delta Quadrant, because it only has one watch tower and that makes it easier for celebrities to hide.


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This week, our fan feedback section is dominated by this awesome piece of art by TLO fan LiefHeanzo. Thanks for taking the time to make this so awesome!

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See something cool that concerns Liquid? Have something you'd like to say? PM 'riptide' on TL! Media inquiries should be directed to riptide AT teamliquid dot net.




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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 24 2010 12:57 GMT
#2
wow that TLO fanart is fucking SICK o_0
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
August 24 2010 12:58 GMT
#3
wow, this is getting longer every week! gl in korea!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
August 24 2010 13:00 GMT
#4
I really really really really like these 'Liquid weeklies. It's a great way to keep the team in sync with the community, and it's just fucking fantastic both in content and execution.

PLEASE keep doing these, they're perhaps my new favorite thing on TL.

Very much appreciated, guys.
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Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
August 24 2010 13:06 GMT
#5
nice read, thanks \o
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
August 24 2010 13:10 GMT
#6
Great write-up as usual. BTW, how many kills did legs reaver have?
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Profile Joined June 2010
United States13 Posts
August 24 2010 13:11 GMT
#7
These articles are the highlight of my week. Beautiful as always.
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Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia154 Posts
August 24 2010 13:14 GMT
#8
good luck in korea guys
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
August 24 2010 13:17 GMT
#9
Great luck in Korea guys.

Thanks to leg for the stories too. I always love that stuff.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Iceland817 Posts
August 24 2010 13:18 GMT
#10
What an awesome way to start the day other than liquid weekly!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 24 2010 13:22 GMT
#11
TL fighting.

Supporting TL just because they're foreigners. FRUIT YEAH
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
August 24 2010 13:30 GMT
#12
Nice one yo, can't wait to see MLG unfold :>
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Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
August 24 2010 13:33 GMT
#13
Good reading!
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
August 24 2010 13:40 GMT
#14
WOW ! Epic read !
Enjoyed it much.
Thank you TL !
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Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
August 24 2010 13:42 GMT
#15
Great update, would have liked to received the inside scoop on why SKS and Cool left oGs, but I suppose it wouldn't have been appropriate in the interview situation (and possibly conducted before they officially left).

Good luck Liquid` in all your endeavors!
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 14:15:33
August 24 2010 13:43 GMT
#16
Happy to hear they made it there safely and all is going according to plan. Good luck TL

I just finished reading Legionnaire's article, fun and amazing read.
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mcneebs
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada391 Posts
August 24 2010 13:46 GMT
#17
This site has improved so much over the last year. If there's one thing I want you guys to keep doing, it's these weeklies. BIG UPS to the guy who did the painting! Awesome job again guys!
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Juaks
Profile Joined June 2010
United States384 Posts
August 24 2010 13:47 GMT
#18
I liked a lot Spunky´s interview, is very interesting his point of view on the future of SC2, and I loved what he had to say about the alliance with TL team.

Thank you very much for this awesome read. Very informative.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
August 24 2010 13:47 GMT
#19
nice read from legionnairre
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
August 24 2010 13:48 GMT
#20
"it’s gonna be a lot of fun and domination!" - Spunky

That's the attitude.

I'm excited ^_^ can't wait to see GSL
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TyPsi5
Profile Joined May 2010
United States204 Posts
August 24 2010 13:48 GMT
#21
amazing reads. good luck in korea, prove them that foreigners can hang with the best!!!!
aiyeeta
Profile Joined June 2007
United States199 Posts
August 24 2010 13:49 GMT
#22
Absolutely rockin' weekly! Really awesome to hear about Legionnaire's escapades!
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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
August 24 2010 13:50 GMT
#23
Man I can't wait to check out how you guys are doing in the korean pro house. This article really gets me pumped up!
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Avrithor
Profile Joined May 2010
United States41 Posts
August 24 2010 13:53 GMT
#24
Holy shit, that TLO painting is incredible. I bet you could sell that as a poster in the TL Store!
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 13:57:10
August 24 2010 13:55 GMT
#25
Very nice fanart and nice writeup by Leg! Will deffo check out some reps too.

Was skeptical about how long TL Weekly would last but it's proving very entertaining!

On August 24 2010 22:10 GreEny K wrote:
Great write-up as usual. BTW, how many kills did legs reaver have?

57!
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xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
August 24 2010 13:57 GMT
#26
$1200 and an upgrade? Prices in Korea must be ridiculous. I play SC2 on the PC I bought for $500 three years ago and it's doing just fine.
Ocular
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada141 Posts
August 24 2010 13:59 GMT
#27
A very nice read overall. Very informational and entertaining.
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Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 14:01:12
August 24 2010 14:00 GMT
#28
I play it on a PC that's about 6-7 years old. Of course, it's on minimum settings and the biggest problem is that on the resolution that I play a nexus covers 1/3 of my screen heh but at least I'm playing the game
temps
Profile Joined April 2005
Canada62 Posts
August 24 2010 14:04 GMT
#29
[Request] Wallpaper size of that fan art!
bobhund
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden364 Posts
August 24 2010 14:06 GMT
#30
Really good fanart there and glad to hear the players arrived!
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nubcak3
Profile Joined July 2010
United States104 Posts
August 24 2010 14:07 GMT
#31
nicely made fan art of TLO ^^
“Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, [etc]. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee
araged
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic189 Posts
August 24 2010 14:15 GMT
#32
Love it Love it! Now more info from Liquid's stay in korea, I'm hoping for some video documentary and a lot of iviews!
heh?
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
August 24 2010 14:15 GMT
#33
Hyped as ever for the TLAF guys to do well in korea.

Btw does anyone still have the vods for Legionnaires all kill? I remember those games and they were so epic. Need to rewatch them!
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 24 2010 14:16 GMT
#34
Ready for dust-off!

Where's the emergency?
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FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
August 24 2010 14:16 GMT
#35
great article, SICK fanart!
Do you really want chat rooms?
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 14:31:04
August 24 2010 14:25 GMT
#36
I really can't get over how much content is coming from these liquid weeklies. It is absolutely amazing.

Another great read! Can't wait for the GSL and MLG Raleigh! Going to be a killer weekend!

GL guys! I fully expect you to prove that "mind set" about foreigners wrong!
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chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
August 24 2010 14:25 GMT
#37
On August 24 2010 22:00 Mikilatov wrote:
I really really really really like these 'Liquid weeklies. It's a great way to keep the team in sync with the community, and it's just [...] fantastic both in content and execution.

PLEASE keep doing these, they're perhaps my new favorite thing on TL.

Very much appreciated, guys.


This.

Also, love the TLO fanart. Hope he sees it. So cool hehehehe.

All the best in Korea!
Dance those ultras
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 24 2010 14:26 GMT
#38
Great work this week, writers and TL.
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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
August 24 2010 14:29 GMT
#39
Oh man there's so much packed into this article
I can't wait to hear their and oGs' thoughts once they've been practicing and living together for a while.
KTY
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 14:35:38
August 24 2010 14:33 GMT
#40
Great update as always. The interviews (Nony, Spunky, Leg) in particular were excellent; it was cool to see Nony and Spunky independently painting similar pictures of pro training.

Also awesome is that the same complaints (chatrooms, lan latency, cross-region play, easy map publishing (ok, that was weapon of choice)) keep coming up. Maybe it'll get Blizzard to fix this nonsense sooner rather than later (or not at all).
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
August 24 2010 14:41 GMT
#41
Go Legs. Damn, that ggon sounds like the biggest jerk.

GL TLAF-Liquid`
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imweakless
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
757 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 14:48:08
August 24 2010 14:46 GMT
#42
spunky what a cool guy.. and the interview is a God damn epic..
Edit: thsank TL specially riptide for this awesome Liquid weekly
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JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
August 24 2010 14:48 GMT
#43
Re-installed broodwar to look at those NonY replays!

Spunky was on point with each response.
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Itzeddiieee
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)787 Posts
August 24 2010 14:50 GMT
#44
I burned my chicken while reading this but it was all worth it.
:D
Kitkatzy
Profile Joined May 2008
United States213 Posts
August 24 2010 14:54 GMT
#45
This is the kind of article that makes TL the best website on the internet!
Curse Kitkatz
heresy
Profile Joined March 2010
Finland20 Posts
August 24 2010 15:12 GMT
#46
These weekly's are best thing in this site. Keep 'em coming! Waiting some more pictures from Korea for next week.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24683 Posts
August 24 2010 15:23 GMT
#47
Big thanks to Legionnaire for that write up in particular... I really enjoyed reading it.
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s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
August 24 2010 15:24 GMT
#48
Sick artwork, thanks for the news.

hope we get some videoclips from korea.
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goneim
Profile Joined May 2010
China201 Posts
August 24 2010 15:26 GMT
#49
Cool, finally got the chance to watch TLO vs. NaDa. That pic of TLO is so damn good
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
August 24 2010 15:29 GMT
#50
awesome interviews, well done!
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
August 24 2010 15:49 GMT
#51
Great News Awesome Article TeamLiquid ftw^^
Tyler Fighting GO GO GO
That TLO FanArt kinda sexy lol'
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VelRa_G
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada304 Posts
August 24 2010 15:57 GMT
#52
I just love what Spunky had to say about Battle.net. I lol'd a bit when he said "SC2 needs a Battle.net," when this is precisely what Blizzard has been claiming they are doing.
Nuda Veritas
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
August 24 2010 15:58 GMT
#53
Just read Spunky's interview. Awesome stuff!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
August 24 2010 16:10 GMT
#54
I noticed that the TL community members never got enough information about Korea and "real" behind the scenes information about real pro-gaming life in Korea.


LOL!?? Is this Spunky trying to take a jab at Artosis, our only Korean behind the scenes man?
Being weak is a choice.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
August 24 2010 16:12 GMT
#55
you don't need a supercomputer for sc2 -.-
i have a 4 year old laptop that was far from top of the line at the time, it's perfectly fine for 1v1s
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ProFail
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (North)81 Posts
August 24 2010 16:35 GMT
#56
love this newsletter style update, keep them going.
Didnt play Beta, Never played any RTS, straight in plat.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
August 24 2010 16:40 GMT
#57
Very nice read especially the interview with the oGs member! So even they don't deny that sc2 is failing to produce those "wow" moments and claims that its only cuz it just came outt.
Long live BroodWar!
endieg
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany49 Posts
August 24 2010 16:41 GMT
#58
i have seen some pro matches at the gamescom ^^
random x3
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
August 24 2010 16:45 GMT
#59
man i could read that 5x.

OH and the fanboy art is soooo insane!!
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Infernus
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway222 Posts
August 24 2010 16:49 GMT
#60
(T)Slayer god how I loved him!

Can't wait to hear more from TL when they get settled in, this is going to be super awesome.
sup ;o
chocoed
Profile Joined June 2007
United States398 Posts
August 24 2010 16:56 GMT
#61
Great read! Wonderful way to start the day. :D
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Epsilon8
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
August 24 2010 17:01 GMT
#62
GL guys : )
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teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
August 24 2010 17:06 GMT
#63
Very nice read to start my morning . Always enjoy reading TL weeklies.

Spunky: You guys should soon be able to see a TL logo on oGs uniforms and an oGs logo on TL uniforms very soon


Awesomeness!!

Looking forward to read about TL progress in Korea.
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
August 24 2010 17:09 GMT
#64
On August 25 2010 01:12 Antoine wrote:
you don't need a supercomputer for sc2 -.-
i have a 4 year old laptop that was far from top of the line at the time, it's perfectly fine for 1v1s


I think he meant to play in max settings. Since some tournaments require to play in max settings, so might as well have the players get used to that.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 24 2010 17:13 GMT
#65
Sick interview! TEAM LIQUID SHOW THOSE KOREANS the power of the foreigner

(in before Rekrul's "Foreigners Still Suck")
NYXinc
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany74 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-24 17:17:07
August 24 2010 17:15 GMT
#66
I love the Liquid weekly and I am looking forward to the once to come.
This weeks Fan-art is sick and will be hard to top.
But knowing the TL community there will be plenty of epic Artworks.
TLAF-Liquid Fighting
Remember living
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
August 24 2010 17:17 GMT
#67
Great read, especially enjoyed Legionnaire's stories.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
August 24 2010 17:35 GMT
#68
I love these weekly updates :D
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CuttyFlam
Profile Joined April 2010
Belgium523 Posts
August 24 2010 17:42 GMT
#69
Great read! Especially the interview with Spunky got me ultra-excited!! cant wait till saturday
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DemiSe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
883 Posts
August 24 2010 17:43 GMT
#70
Pure epicness. Really nice writeup!
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pAzand
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden539 Posts
August 24 2010 17:48 GMT
#71
Very nice read from Legionnaire and everything else is just top notch! Keep 'em comming.
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
August 24 2010 17:53 GMT
#72
Gogo TL ftw!
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SiegeFlank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States410 Posts
August 24 2010 18:03 GMT
#73
Fantastic writeups, these are some of the best interviews I've ever read! I think it's really interesting how oGs approaches competitive play, especially with that example about PvT.

Really pumped to see what Korea does to this game in the GSL!
Bird up
_SkY
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States50 Posts
August 24 2010 18:13 GMT
#74
Very nice work! The interview with TLAF-Liquid'Tyler was nicely done, and I liked the interview with Spunky as well. At first I was taken aback at a couple of the things that Spunky said (that he's very excited, but some of the oGs guys aren't the biggest fans of foreigners, for example), but after finishing the interview, I'm really happy that he told the truth and didn't sugar-coat anything. As he said, it's important for TeamLiquid to understand how progaming in Korea really is, not necessarily how we wish it was. I think that these undeniable truths will teach TLAF-Liquid' a lot in their time in Korea, not only about StarCraft 2 and gaming, but they will very likely become even more cultured in the process as well. On a side note, I think it is terribly, terribly awesome that oGs will be wearing TLAF-Liquid' on their jerseys and vice versa!

The stories from Legionnaire were also not only entertaining, but they were really nice examples of more of those undeniable truths about progaming in Korea. There certainly will be hardships and challenges to overcome, but it can and will be done, and TLAF-Liquid', no matter what happens, will always be happy with their choice to chase their dreams and take on some of the greatest challenges of their lives! And after all, when the time comes, they'll be rock stars.

Also, thank you for the VODs of TLAF-Liquid'TLO vs. NaDa! I've heard a lot of people saying that they were amazing games, so I'm really looking forward to seeing them. On another side note, that painting of TLO is really amazing - the artist has a lot of talent!

Please keep these write-ups coming (and maybe a video once in a while?) so that we can keep tabs and watch over our team as they live and train in Korea! These articles are awesome, and I always get excited when I see that a new one has been posted. To TLAF-Liquid': GL HF, and stay healthy and happy guys!
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
August 24 2010 18:15 GMT
#75
Nice read, thanks! Awesome fan art :D
really?
GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
August 24 2010 18:37 GMT
#76
Always nice to hear what's happening with the home team! I really hope things go well over in Korea, not just for the sake of Nazgul, Jinro, TLO, and Haypro, but for the sake of Korean/Foreigner relations (and competition!) in SC2.

On August 25 2010 02:09 teko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2010 01:12 Antoine wrote:
you don't need a supercomputer for sc2 -.-
i have a 4 year old laptop that was far from top of the line at the time, it's perfectly fine for 1v1s


I think he meant to play in max settings. Since some tournaments require to play in max settings, so might as well have the players get used to that.


I think the statement was meant in relation to BW, which is what SC2 is essentially competing with in Korea. It may not seem like you need much to run SC2 when you compare it to some other modern games, but have you looked at the system requirements for SC1 lately? You need a 90mhz Pentium 1 with Windows 95. I could literally go over to my grandmother's house and load up BW on her junky, 10 year old, spyware-ridden HP desktop and play it with no problems.
mamuri
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1 Post
August 24 2010 18:42 GMT
#77
Some Korean foods are fxxking delicious

I wish you guys enjoy them all!

Fighting!
Poor English speaker and reader and writer
Elec
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada136 Posts
August 24 2010 18:42 GMT
#78
do any of the players in korea have an frequently updated twitter account?
Yellow Shinny VW beetle with # plate R3AV3R
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
August 24 2010 19:08 GMT
#79
Awesome write up and can't wait to MLG and GSL to start.
Zamiel
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States211 Posts
August 24 2010 19:19 GMT
#80
wow teeler is very hot in that pic
"Mech is at the store buying groceries and you attack him at home. You burn his house down. And then he comes home and puts out the fire, and then you burn down the grocery store so he can't buy more groceries."
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
August 24 2010 19:22 GMT
#81
Thanks for the awesome read
Life is Good.
dim2thesum
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
August 24 2010 19:33 GMT
#82
that fanart of TLO pretty sick
win some, lose some, dim sum
TheMunkey
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada470 Posts
August 24 2010 19:35 GMT
#83
Great read
especially the legionnaire write up!
Never give up
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 24 2010 19:44 GMT
#84
Very nice article, I loved Tyler's and Spunky's interviews.
Again thanks for the vod links of TLO vs. Nada showmatch. In my opinion this is game is already legendary and has become a symbol.

P.S.: I seriously CANNOT wait to see GSL qualifiers.
o choro é livre
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
August 24 2010 20:09 GMT
#85
Loved the interview with Spunky. Great guy. I can't wait to follow the GSL, it's going to be so absolutely great. No doubt about that.
starclan
Profile Joined January 2010
Ukraine13 Posts
August 24 2010 20:12 GMT
#86
waiting replays, gl guys
asdf
falconbeach
Profile Joined September 2009
United States9 Posts
August 24 2010 20:17 GMT
#87
Good job Blizzard with Battle.net

Why couldn't we just have LAN so Nada doesn't d/c...
-_-
DrakanSilva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Chile932 Posts
August 24 2010 20:28 GMT
#88
awesome write up i'm really excited to see what is comming up for starcraft 2 in the next years, mainly after the main events in korea where there will be thousands of new builds and stuff that we never heard of and they will be matched against the EU and US creativity!

ohhh gl TL !
In the beginning there was nothing... and then exploded
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
August 24 2010 20:35 GMT
#89
Nice read! How many hours per day are they training?
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
August 24 2010 21:15 GMT
#90
TL Fighting, so excited for you guys. Hope you can truly enjoy the experience while improving.

My favorite comment was Spunky saying they need Battle.net back and not bnet.20, and no chat/clan channels are the main reasons why its not super popular in Korea yet.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
August 24 2010 21:17 GMT
#91
good luck TLAF... and it's pretty cool they are actually going to put some kind of jacket patch with Team Liquid on it... moving on up in the world.

Also, TLO for GSL Royal Roader.
Newborn
Profile Joined February 2010
United States69 Posts
August 24 2010 21:35 GMT
#92
Legionnaire was before my time, great to read about him though! It makes me realize just how many years of Brood War I missed.

That fan art of TLO is jaw-dropping as well.

Thanks for all the awesome content guys, keep it up!
His dreams were of houses, their cellars and attics. Ultimately of this city in the sea.
Quakie
Profile Joined October 2008
Norway725 Posts
August 24 2010 21:49 GMT
#93
Very nice writeup! Especially liked the part that Legionnaire wrote, well written.
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
August 24 2010 22:02 GMT
#94
Thank you TL.
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
drij
Profile Joined August 2010
China61 Posts
August 24 2010 22:18 GMT
#95
gl guys!!
"ThorZaIN... HOLDS" (Chill@TSL3)
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
August 24 2010 22:23 GMT
#96
Fucking. Awesome. Period.
Thanks for this!!
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
August 24 2010 23:02 GMT
#97
Legionnaire and the Korean oGs guy interviews were nice reads

good luck Liquid`~~
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Eeeegor
Profile Joined April 2005
Australia809 Posts
August 24 2010 23:06 GMT
#98
<3 this write up, and Legionnaire *points to signature*
Day9 Made Me Do It
tru_power22
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada385 Posts
August 24 2010 23:25 GMT
#99
Wow - so much content. I'm really happy for these guys, they get to live their dreams.
Smoke Errday!
biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
August 24 2010 23:28 GMT
#100
Thanks for the update. Great interview.
Good luck in Korea!
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
August 25 2010 00:22 GMT
#101
awesome read. the koreans sound really, really scary.
8BITT
Profile Joined September 2009
United States15 Posts
August 25 2010 00:25 GMT
#102
I live in Korea so maybe i'll get to see some of this awesome starcraft action and meet some of the TL guys myself haha
GEEEEEEEEEEEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
August 25 2010 00:29 GMT
#103
<3
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
August 25 2010 00:52 GMT
#104
Even Koreans want chat channels.

What's taking Blizzard so long
#1 Terran hater
PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
August 25 2010 01:39 GMT
#105
Great Article.
Gonna check Tyler's replays
In Economics, the majority is always wrong. aka: MattRz
Goatlust
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia131 Posts
August 25 2010 02:22 GMT
#106
Awesome article. Legionnaire's was a great read!
ClanOverdosed
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
691 Posts
August 25 2010 02:24 GMT
#107
This was great <3 TL
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MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
August 25 2010 02:25 GMT
#108
so epic. TLO vs NADA =O!!!!
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
August 25 2010 02:28 GMT
#109
I hope this is just the intro of : Foreigners kings of South Korean esports part 2!!
go Liquid`team!
in The Kong line forever
Abstrkt
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia65 Posts
August 25 2010 02:53 GMT
#110
Legionnaire's article is great. Very good read. Hope the TL'rs have fun in SK.
Go Zergs Go!
sas01
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada303 Posts
August 25 2010 03:35 GMT
#111
Great read!!! GO TL, FIGHTING!!!
Loved the interviews!!!
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
August 25 2010 03:48 GMT
#112
So excited to see how liquid does in GSL
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
-vVvTitan-
Profile Joined August 2010
United States473 Posts
August 25 2010 03:52 GMT
#113
wonderful article!


TL OGS GOGO!
vVv.Titan @ vVv-Gaming.com
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
August 25 2010 05:17 GMT
#114
Love the honesty in Spunky's interview. In the end the Liquid guys will just need to convince the Koreans that they are good enough.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
kiryah
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)65 Posts
August 25 2010 05:47 GMT
#115
Are you guys doing any meetups while in Korea? I would love to meet or watch you guys~~
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
August 25 2010 06:07 GMT
#116
tyler is the man
hoppipolla
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia782 Posts
August 25 2010 06:10 GMT
#117
Great read! Enjoyed the leg story part the most but all of it was really well done.
"It's not acceptable"
bias-
Profile Joined October 2004
United States410 Posts
August 25 2010 06:12 GMT
#118
i love the spunky interview. like the only thing i've liked about SC2 was that interview and team liquid being able to live in korea.

also i hope blizzard saw iem showmatch between nada and tlo because the entire community saw that first "game" coming a year ago. I hope (sadly) that until blizz changes its ways every finals is like that (MSL style failure but blizz this time), they need to pull their head out of their money-grubbing you-know-whats.

Enough, awesome read and thanks.
For serious minds, a bias recognized is a bias sterilized.
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
August 25 2010 06:42 GMT
#119
nice one, thanks
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2272 Posts
August 25 2010 06:44 GMT
#120
all this GSL thing brings back to me the nostalgia of early BW days...
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
TeabagInsurance
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada320 Posts
August 25 2010 06:57 GMT
#121
holy shit that fan art is fucking unbelievable. mad props to the creator
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ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
August 25 2010 07:00 GMT
#122
Love the spunky interview. So awesome TL can make connections in korea, but the top korean sc2 team atm no less. Future will be interesting no doubt.

Spunky's reasons were similar to what Mr.Hoon said (minus the gomtv/kespa stuff). As someone with a lower end PC, I certainly agree that it does put a slight damper on my enthusiasm. I can see gaming savvy koreans skipping this in favor of many many accessible choices they can enjoy with their buddies.
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
foo
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia109 Posts
August 25 2010 07:28 GMT
#123
good luck in korea, i feel like i have finally found a substitute for my lack of following a football team
TL FTW!!!
___ooo_(O,O)_ooo___
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
August 25 2010 07:29 GMT
#124
well done
Warmyth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands107 Posts
August 25 2010 09:01 GMT
#125
Already looking forward to see 'Tyler play!

Good arcticle to get me exited
Our light shall burn the pathway to the stars.
JBanKs
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
August 25 2010 09:02 GMT
#126
The TLO fan art is amazing.. really good job
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
August 25 2010 11:04 GMT
#127
Loving the interview with Spunky, what a legend.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
August 25 2010 12:02 GMT
#128
great write up, hope to see more picture and videos in the future
TLT07 ===> *winner* <===TLT08
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
August 25 2010 18:00 GMT
#129
On August 25 2010 20:04 Klive5ive wrote:
Loving the interview with Spunky, what a legend.



This
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
August 25 2010 18:35 GMT
#130
best of luck to Liquid` during the GSL qualifiers.
Live it, love it, play it, kill it. JulyZerg and IPXZerg greatest TL.net fan
Ginchan
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium55 Posts
August 26 2010 02:47 GMT
#131
this is getting better and bigger every week
keep up the great work
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
August 26 2010 05:48 GMT
#132
This is truly awesome. Great update.
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Nu11
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada167 Posts
August 26 2010 07:13 GMT
#133
Incredibly proud of the TL guys. I wish you all the best.
Sharkas
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany19 Posts
August 26 2010 09:09 GMT
#134
Love ur writings, can´´t get enough of that stuff. :-D

Go Go (GER) Boxer

I sense a possibillity for TLO to be our boxer...

are there any other Ger-ScFans thinking the same way ?
mystarcraft
Profile Joined June 2010
3 Posts
August 26 2010 16:25 GMT
#135
Thanks a lot for the Nony TSL2 practice replay pack. This is just awesome, Nony is my favorite player and if you're a protoss player finding good replays of builds to emulate, Nony's builds are the best and these are the practice games that helped him win TSL2. Thanks again to Nony and TeamLiquid.
ThunderGod
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
New Zealand897 Posts
August 28 2010 03:00 GMT
#136
Nony is a smart guy.
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