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sunsun126
Profile Joined May 2010
China7 Posts
May 31 2010 15:03 GMT
#281
我认为韩国电竞协会有点 “过”了
暴雪没有理由不想更好的推广自己的游戏
KeSPA只是想利益最大化
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imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
May 31 2010 15:04 GMT
#282
On June 01 2010 00:01 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 23:51 keV. wrote:
On May 31 2010 23:48 SuperArc wrote:
On May 31 2010 23:46 keV. wrote:
On May 31 2010 23:42 Ryo wrote:
On May 31 2010 23:29 ret wrote:
On May 31 2010 23:28 SuperArc wrote:
On May 31 2010 23:24 ret wrote:
People definately should NOT feel sorry for KeSPa.

Look at how progamers are treated, look at the lives they are living, look what happens to retired progamers, there are tons of 'progamers' out there playing 12 hours a day for years without getting paid...

And then just look at their history and what they have done to companies like GOM etc...

I don't buy any of the stuff KeSPa is saying.

I find it hard to believe that Blizzard/GOM would make things worse for your average B team or Low A team progamer.


I think being unemployed is worse than the current conditions.


In my opinion it is definately not. Current conditions equal slavery almost. Unemployment leaves room to chase different carreer paths. Which would be best for anyone outside of the top20 players ( 90% of them ), or anyone that doesnt rig matches.


"Unemployment leaves room to chase different career paths"... HAHAHA...

The fact that you can throw around the term "slavery" so liberally shows that 1) you have no understanding of what real slavery is 2) you are making vast generalizations based on your own biased agenda.



You are honestly the worst poster in this whole thread.

At least when you are unemployed you aren't practicing BW 12 hours a day. Slavery is in the dictionary, stop being so uptight. We have a black president, its cool.

You know ret lived as a pro-gamer right? Probably not considering you joined this website this year.


Yeah and also when you are unemployed you DONT HAVE MONEY for food and a place to live. At least B-teamers have that.


I think the point was that living as a pro-gamer only prepares you for living as a pro-gamer. Would you rather have a month of a tight budget while you advance your lifestyle to something considerable? Or just stick to playing BW for 12 a day and when that doesn't work out have absolutely nothing to fall back on because you dropped out of school and haven't worked a real job your whole life.


Please keV advance YOUR life to something considerable, leave this thread

p.s I would like to see you telling these words to Boxer or Nada


i think even boxer said he wouldnt let his child try to become a progamer
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
May 31 2010 15:05 GMT
#283
On May 31 2010 23:54 Adila wrote:
There's a difference between playing 12 hours for fun and playing for 12 hours as training.

The physical and psychological stress is different.

still, esport in korea is much more developed than the early boxer days.

the emperor himself said that only the top one or two players were able to get enuf sponsorship money to survive on gaming income. and they even had to find their sponsors themselves.

korean esport teams actually have a coach, salary contracts, merchandise etc. all of these would not have been possible without good business planning and capital investment by the TV networks.
...from the land of imba
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 31 2010 15:05 GMT
#284
On June 01 2010 00:01 Nade wrote:
So start at age, lets say, 16, you start pro gaming training, 12 hours per day for like 8 years down the road and suddenly brood war died, what skills do you have? your 500 APM obviously will bring you further in life


that question applies to every sport?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
May 31 2010 15:06 GMT
#285
boxer..nada...oov....

for every succesfull gamer who makes a lot of money there are 30 kids living in the gutter
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wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 16:18:47
May 31 2010 15:06 GMT
#286
So start at age, lets say, 16, you start pro gaming training, 12 hours per day for like 8 years down the road and suddenly brood war died, what skills do you have? your 500 APM obviously will bring you further in life

So? we have the same youth here too. Even wasting their whole youth on some game like WoW, CS, wc3 or whatever without the chance of ever earning a nice salary ever.
At least in korea you have the chance to "make" it.
sunsun126
Profile Joined May 2010
China7 Posts
May 31 2010 15:06 GMT
#287
呵呵~
不知道我发中文有人认识吗?
宣传一下:
中国的 最好的电竞平台 www.plu.cn
中国最 强大的游戏视频网站:www.wfbrood.com
g
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
May 31 2010 15:08 GMT
#288
On June 01 2010 00:05 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 00:01 Nade wrote:
So start at age, lets say, 16, you start pro gaming training, 12 hours per day for like 8 years down the road and suddenly brood war died, what skills do you have? your 500 APM obviously will bring you further in life


that question applies to every sport?


At least in the states we have high school and college before you are really considered as a pro-candidate (with minor exceptions). You get educated there and have access to scholarships. Nothing is at all like the Korean situation. Saying its the same thing is just plain not true.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
May 31 2010 15:09 GMT
#289
On June 01 2010 00:01 Nade wrote:
So start at age, lets say, 16, you start pro gaming training, 12 hours per day for like 8 years down the road and suddenly brood war died, what skills do you have? your 500 APM obviously will bring you further in life

the useful life of athletes is short, we know that. but this has no impact on whether blizz or kespa made the correct business decision.
...from the land of imba
QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
May 31 2010 15:10 GMT
#290
I think it's important we do not fall victim to KESPA "playing the victim". It is evident that this is the image they are looking to establish in this controversy. While it's is definitely possible for their statements to be 100% true, I am fairly confident they are not. Their statements DO make it sound like they did everything right... But I hope no one is really naive enough to believe all of it.
Teddyman
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland362 Posts
May 31 2010 15:12 GMT
#291
On May 31 2010 23:44 letian wrote:
"I still am amazed people can be OK with the way KeSPA treats players. I really am"

Oh come on, are u serious?, this is their (players) job, do u know what job is?

Is it doing what you are told for 13 hours a day and getting paid in food, an uniform to wear and a place to live? It's not slavery though since they are free to leave. Only the conditions are similar.
"Chess is a dead game" -Bobby Fischer 2004
geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
May 31 2010 15:15 GMT
#292
you guys really think blizzard gunna give better living conditions? the only thing they give a shit about is putting money in their pants. they didnt give any crap when sc was forming in 98 but they did in 07 with their "Intellectual Property" garbage and it doesnt make sense for them having sc2 in beta at this time of the year
pew pew
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 31 2010 15:18 GMT
#293
On June 01 2010 00:06 ret wrote:
boxer..nada...oov....

for every succesfull gamer who makes a lot of money there are 30 kids living in the gutter


Oh my god, of course! Blame Kespa for poverty (wtf?)!
Is your hate of the Korean progaming houses so big that you are blinded by anger?

You are acting like there would be less kids "living in the gutter" without Kespa. Thats ridiculous.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 15:19:40
May 31 2010 15:18 GMT
#294
On June 01 2010 00:06 sunsun126 wrote:
呵呵~
不知道我发中文有人认识吗?
宣传一下:
中国的 最好的电竞平台 www.plu.cn
中国最 强大的游戏视频网站:www.wfbrood.com


别笑, 有人能看懂
sunsun126
Profile Joined May 2010
China7 Posts
May 31 2010 15:18 GMT
#295
On June 01 2010 00:18 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 00:06 ret wrote:
boxer..nada...oov....

for every succesfull gamer who makes a lot of money there are 30 kids living in the gutter


Oh my god, of course! Blame Kespa for poverty (wtf?)!
Is your hate of the Korean progaming houses so big that you are blinded by anger?

You are acting like there would be less kids "living in the gutter" without Kespa. Thats ridiculous.


呵呵~~~~
一切是非曲直 时间会证明一切
g
sunsun126
Profile Joined May 2010
China7 Posts
May 31 2010 15:20 GMT
#296
On June 01 2010 00:18 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 00:06 sunsun126 wrote:
呵呵~
不知道我发中文有人认识吗?
宣传一下:
中国的 最好的电竞平台 www.plu.cn
中国最 强大的游戏视频网站:www.wfbrood.com


别笑, 有人能看懂

chinese?
g
sunsun126
Profile Joined May 2010
China7 Posts
May 31 2010 15:25 GMT
#297
On June 01 2010 00:18 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 00:06 sunsun126 wrote:
呵呵~
不知道我发中文有人认识吗?
宣传一下:
中国的 最好的电竞平台 www.plu.cn
中国最 强大的游戏视频网站:www.wfbrood.com


别笑, 有人能看懂

白欧罗斯人?

这么强大!....
g
stellarvector
Profile Joined May 2010
United States32 Posts
May 31 2010 15:27 GMT
#298
You guys are right, negotiations between kespa and Blizzard are done, but this helps us decide if Blizzard is the type of company we actually want to maintain our esports title. I think Kespa made very valid accusations about Blizzard using IP rights in a esports situation. So valid in fact, that the more I think about it, the more I wonder if Blizzard's claim for IP would even hold up in a court of law.

Everyone in esports who plays the game, owns the game. We all have a valid license, so- where does the IP get infracted when we all play it together and host a tournament? How do tournaments suddenly fall under the control of Blizzard? It's a violation of our rights to fair use in my honest opinion, and I wonder if anyone on here is a student of law couldn't find our if it's a violation of fair use.

I'm sorry guys, but I don't think Blizzard's recent movements are good for esports, and I think Kespa hit the nail on the head in regards to Blizzard's motivation (turning esports into a promotional tool.) We all know it's probably from the coaching of Activision - but - in the end it is Blizzard's moral responsibility to act accordingly.

Blizzard's out to maximize profits, and we were all better off when Blizzard ignored the esports community. Sure, they have somewhat of a right to maximize profits, however- There are situations and areas that fall way beyond Blizzard's control and I would say that esports and tournament play is way outside of Blizzard's control.

If they wanted to place dominance in the esports community, all's they had to do was hire some guys at Kespa and throw "official" tournaments. Pushing questionable legal rights over how a community uses a game for it's devices only pushes their titles away from the esports community, as eventually we will all gravitate to a developer that supports the esports community without gouging our own rights to use the created media.

Charles
http://www.stellarvector.com
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 15:30:55
May 31 2010 15:28 GMT
#299
On June 01 2010 00:18 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 00:06 ret wrote:
boxer..nada...oov....

for every succesfull gamer who makes a lot of money there are 30 kids living in the gutter


Oh my god, of course! Blame Kespa for poverty (wtf?)!
Is your hate of the Korean progaming houses so big that you are blinded by anger?

You are acting like there would be less kids "living in the gutter" without Kespa. Thats ridiculous.


I am not blaming KeSPa for povery at all.
I am saying that I want them to treat their gamers better. and I think that Blizzard/GOM will.

Can you plz stop making weird assumptions..
Team Liquid
nimoraca
Profile Joined February 2007
Serbia84 Posts
May 31 2010 15:31 GMT
#300
The lowest point Blizz fanboys could fall to was this B-Teamers argument. Like that is the reason KeSPA is bad and blizz/gomtv is gonna pay B-teamers 100 grand a year. Yeah, i loled. This is not about KeSPA not wanting to pay the players more. It's about the ratio between number of players and number of viewers in Korea. There should be a lot lot more viewers than players for players to be paid good. That's the case for most popular sports. It is not the case for progaming. Who do you think should pay the B-Teamers.
In reality there are a lot of Blizz fanboys in this thread that it's unbelievable. Would you rather see the SCBW dead if that means that blizz will win this argument over KeSPA. Who cares about blizz and KeSPA and fucking IP rights. TL.net is not the place for blizz or KeSPA fanboys. It should be the place of professional gaming fanboys, the ones who care for the eSport in general, the players and the game. If you are not one of them then gtfo.

And a question for all you so called eSport fans, whould you rather see Blizz wining this argument with KeSPA even if that means the death of SCBW in Korea?
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