On May 10 2010 17:57 Waxangel wrote: Hmmm, well if he wins MSL and OSL in the same season, then he'll be the first to ever do so... which gives him an extremely strong case to be considered bonjwa.
you don't think jaedong has a case?
flash hasn't been on top for even a year yet
If it's a JD vs. Flash finals, winner is bonjwa.
Nope, even if JD wins, consecutive double finals trumps that. It is an achievement that will probably never be broken. That said looking back a few years from now it is entirely possible that both will be considered Bonjwa due to their combined utter dominance of BW the last couple of years.
I also object to the bad rep OSL is getting, we should be seeing a Flash vs Kal Finals which is pretty much the second most awesome MU we could see in a finals (the first should be obvious).
On May 10 2010 17:57 Waxangel wrote: Hmmm, well if he wins MSL and OSL in the same season, then he'll be the first to ever do so... which gives him an extremely strong case to be considered bonjwa.
good read but as far as bonjwa goes, I generally side with jaedong but I couldnt see them not giving it to flash if he won both osl and msl. gg's all around.
On May 10 2010 20:20 QibingZero wrote: This is silly.
It's pretty obvious that Jaedong is bonjwa.
Flash, on the other hand, is a step above bonjwa. =P
When they meet anything can happen, however.
Even the commentators admit that Jaedong is bonjwa!
See: 1:58 "Even if you look at the first two matches with Midas, you can see why Jaedong is Strong, why Jaedong is Bonjwa, why Jaedong is the Tyrant, why he's ranked 2nd in KeSPA rankings"
"Even if you look at the first two matches with Midas, you can see why Jaedong is Strong, why Jaedong is Bonjwa, why Jaedong is the Tyrant, why he's ranked 2nd in KeSPA rankings"
On May 10 2010 23:50 Yggdrasil Leaf wrote: "Flash gets a 4 simply because his game was so uninspiring. "
This kind of opinions... I mean... seriously? whatever.
What? If you give fives out for anything other than truly amazing play then the system breaks down when in two weeks I have to describe what Flash did to Kal because there's no number for it. Four is well above the benchmark of competence I expect for a progamer but Flash's play wasn't impressive for Flash. Unless you contest that I don't see how you can possibly give him a five. Flash played passive against FEs twice in a row, his play was uninspired, strategically bad, reactionary and basic. He just reverted to the raw bones of the style he knows best without regard for the situations in the games in question. It was simply brute force of skill that won him the games. You don't get a five for that.
The subject of Flash being a bonjwa has been broached in a TL newspost. It is now fair game.
Also, enough with the OSL negativity! The other semi-final has two players who are their team aces and who have shown time and time again that they can compete with the best. The MSL may have Jaedong and Flash, but it also had great and MVP until last week.
Who's to say that either EffOrt or Kal can't put up a fight against Flash? Kal has played him extremely closely in their last meetings, while EffOrt (according to legend) was Flash's best practice while prepping for Jaedong, and held his own repeatedly against Flash's play. And the final is in a goddamn airplane hangar.
What's not to love? BOTH finals are going to be excellent this year, the overall quality of the players remaining is the best it's been in years.
On May 10 2010 23:50 Yggdrasil Leaf wrote: "Flash gets a 4 simply because his game was so uninspiring. "
This kind of opinions... I mean... seriously? whatever.
What? If you give fives out for anything other than truly amazing play then the system breaks down when in two weeks I have to describe what Flash did to Kal because there's no number for it. Four is well above the benchmark of competence I expect for a progamer but Flash's play wasn't impressive for Flash. Unless you contest that I don't see how you can possibly give him a five. Flash played passive against FEs twice in a row, his play was uninspired, strategically bad, reactionary and basic. He just reverted to the raw bones of the style he knows best without regard for the situations in the games in question. It was simply brute force of skill that won him the games. You don't get a five for that.
I didn't ask for a five. It's that sentence and it's argument: it's sounds too subjective. You can do better than that. And what is this: "but Flash's play wasn't impressive for Flash"? Leave the 4 or whatever but don't argue like that; just evaluate the game, forget who the player is.
But you can write whatever you like. I appreciate the work for the most part.
On May 10 2010 17:57 Waxangel wrote: Hmmm, well if he wins MSL and OSL in the same season, then he'll be the first to ever do so... which gives him an extremely strong case to be considered bonjwa.
you don't think jaedong has a case?
flash hasn't been on top for even a year yet
If it's a JD vs. Flash finals, winner is bonjwa.
Nope, even if JD wins, consecutive double finals trumps that.
o rly? it trumps four seasons in a row with a gold?
EPT
but as far as bonjwa goes, I generally side with jaedong but I couldnt see them not giving it to flash if he won both osl and msl. gg's all around.
