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[OSL] RO8 - Week 1

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April 27th, 2010 23:01 GMT
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Teamliquid OSL coverage, now 50% more judgemental!
by WaxAngel and Kwark

With the OSL in its more dramatic phases, the OSL team at TeamLiquid is introducing a small new feature. Not content with casually calling professional gamers who are way better than we could ever hope to be "garbage," "terrible," and all sorts of other names, we've decided to numerically rate their play (very original, I know). KwarK will judge the level of play for individual players, while I will rate the match's viewing quality as a whole. Our criteria for judgment is completely arbitrary, so please don't take it too seriously or hurt us when you disagree (and you will).



Week One Battlereports
by KwarK

(T)Flash vs (T)BaBy - Eye of the Storm
Record: Flash - 1:0 - Baby
+ Show Spoiler [Battle Report] +

Baby spawned in red at 11 on Eye of the Storm while Flash got blue at 1. Both opened depot rax cc, Flash placing the cc at his natural while Baby placed it just inside his choke and floated it out later. They continued to mirror each other nearly perfectly as they added two factories, Baby somehow taking a small supply advantage but not of any real significance. Their plans began to diverge when Flash added a quick second gas for the armoury and tank route, while Baby added a quick third factory to pump out many speed upgraded vultures. Flash scouted Baby's strategy and pulled his pricier mech army back to wall off his choke against the threat of vultures. Flash's large units obviously couldn't easily be killed by the concussive damage of a few vultures, but Baby was only using this threat as a screen to expand to 9, hoping to use mines and the threat of a vulture counter-attack to delay until he could build enough defending tanks.

Unfortunately for Baby, Flash built comsats early and was able to safely push the vultures back while scanning for mines, and attack at a very dangerous time for Baby. Although Baby was setting up his own tank army on his big ramp, Flash's push came sooner than Baby had planned and almost broke through. Baby was forced to pull SCVs to help defend, and any hope of mining the 9:00 expansion soon was lost.

Both players set up long tank lines facing off against each other, Flash covering the foot of Baby's wide ramp while Baby perched on top. With Baby somewhat contained, Flash took his own third at 3 while Baby flew his third cc from 9 all the way to 12. Baby attempted to slowly extend his control from the top of his ramp to Flash's cliff in order to secure 12:00, but Flash was quick mobilize his tanks near this expansion attempt. As Flash turned his attention to 12:00, Baby smashed his way out the front, taking heavy damage from the sieged tanks but breaking the contain. However shortly afterwards Flash used a dropship to help break the siege tank defenses at 12, and was able to push up within range of several minerals to severely limiting Baby's mining.

With the contain broken Baby was able to play to his strengths, starting with a vulture drop at 3:00. Flash attempted to double expand at 4 and 5 but Baby's units appeared out of nowhere to counter. Tanks and vultures took the position above the bottom-right wide ramp and shut down Flash's hopes of taking the resources at that corner. While Flash played a standard game with increasing numbers of dropships while Baby tried to minimize his resource disadvantage by focusing entirely on units and using his incredible multitasking and anticipation abilities to make sure they were always at the right place. While was Baby preventing the 4:00 and 5:00 expansions, Flash also stopped Baby's expansion at 9:00 with a drop, and then dropped Baby's other base at 12:00 when Baby moved his forces to defend 9:00.

Despite Baby's excellent multitasking his army was not as mobile as Flash with his dropships, and was forced to give up the 12:00 base while half of his army still in the bottom right. With the 12 base taken, Flash began to ferry units over the wall into Baby's main and there was little Baby could do about it. Despite being on three bases each, Baby having secured 9 and lost 12, Baby lacked the mobility to deal with Flash's drops. Baby held the line in his main, unable to clean up the drop but still limiting Flash's tanks to killing a few buildings in the corner of his main. Knowing that Baby was occupied, Flash tried to pull ahead in resources by expanding to the 7 main and 12 . Baby's defense was stretched across the entire map, and although he wasn't that far ahead in supply, Flash dropships let him focus his firepower on Baby's scattered forces. Flash went around cleaning up Baby's army in isolated battles, gaining a significant supply advantage.

Even though he had been dealt a severe blow by mass dropships, Baby used his own few dropships to vulture harass on several fronts, hitting 9 and 12 as cover for an expansion at 5. However, Flash immediately scanned it and was able to destroy it while Baby's counterattack at 7 failed. Baby put in a valiant effort but the difference in mobility led to easy pickings for Flash which was leading to a significant army difference. Eventually Flash was able to simply drop on top of Baby's entire army as it headed to 7. They traded armies and although Baby won with a few units left due to some very well placed mines, Flash simply flew in his next wave and cleaned it up.

The huge disadvantage didn't discourage Baby, and he refused to give up as he continued to sneak vultures into expansions, somehow killing so many scvs that he pulled Flash's supply down on par with his. Although Baby only had one mining expansion at 9 compared to Flash's two, Baby was not in terrible shape. His next wave of tanks besieged 12 and forced it to lift, but Flash pulled off his usual move of landing his CC two inches away to continue mining from a distance. Flash tried to take another expansion at 5, but again the vultures appeared, Baby no longer even using dropships, just making it happen somehow. As Flash moved to expand, Baby took 7 and 8.

Tired of having been dragged to this point, Flash collected his dropships for a decisive blow. The dropships flew across the top of the map and forced Baby to mass his army in his main in defense. Seeing that Baby dropping in the main would be suicide, Flash simply flew over Baby's main and down the left side of the map and wiped out Baby's last source of resources at 8:00. Baby's army was big enough to deal with this, but they were a map's distance away in his main. Although Baby's army moved down slowly to clean up the drop, the damage was done and Flash pulled away in supply. Shortly afterwards, another drop, this time in Baby's main, ended the game. GG.

This was a very nice game, as far as TvT goes. Definitely a good watch if, like me, you're a Baby fanboy simply because he shows off his multitasking against the best. Baby constantly moves his units around, creating opportunities for himself where they wouldn't otherwise exist. Against an opponent with maphack it'd be suicide to send a few lone tanks meandering around, but Baby has the foresight to know that a few well placed units advance can pay off big in the future. Ultimately lategame TvT is a dropship game and Flash is a master of it, he stuck to his game plan and he won. What is worth seeing is the moments where Flash's dropships are struggling to keep up with Baby's theoretically less mobile ground based army.

+ Show Spoiler [Match Ratings] +
Game of the Week
Kwark's Player Ratings
Flash: 5 of 5
Baby: 5 of 5

WaxAngel's Match Rating: 4 of 5
Although there was no real back and forth in this game as Flash constantly held the advantage, this TvT was played at an incredibly high level and very fast pace.


(P)Movie vs (P)Pure - Match Point
Record: Movie - 1:1 - Pure
+ Show Spoiler [Battle Report] +

Movie spawned in purple at 1 while Pure got blue at 7 on Match Point. The openings were standard, although Pure was able to get an excellent manner pylon on Movie to very good effect. Besides that, the players mirrored perfectly, one gate expanding before robo with just a zealot, a dragoon and range. They deviated when Movie gambled Pure would go for some kind of early break without robo and went for dts, while Pure played safe and standard. Neither had been able to check the other's FE so both were playing cautiously, simply reacting to their blindness in different ways.

Pure went for a reaver, then observer, then shuttle with a solid wall blocking the entrance to his natural to stay safe against dts. Neither really gained any clear advantage from their build deviations as powerful tech transitions were available to both: reaver harass for Pure and speedlots and templar tech for Movie. While Pure theoretically would have been able to grab a quick third with his observer to detect the DT, he did not have the scouting knowledge to do so blindly.

In a very strange move, Movie opted for a fast dark archon, something all of us theorycrafters have considered as a transition for failed dts against reavers, with the conclusion that it's impractical because it takes forever to build up 150 energy and you need a miracle mind control to make it worth it. Pure took his third and Movie pushed out as it finished, hoping to catch it at its most vulnerable stage while taking his own expansion. However Pure had simultaneously gone for a two shuttle reaver+dt drop in Movie's main and took out the cannons and the handful of defending units. The DTs and reaver took down the main nexus and a lot of probes, and began to destroy all the buildings in Movie's main.

Movie's attack came close to breaking Pure but he simply had no reinforcements to follow up with, having his income halved and losing gateways as well. Pure continued to pump units while Movie could not keep up. A minute later Movie was overrun. GG.

In many ways this was just bad timing, it wasn't that Movie didn't have observers, he had them with his army which had just crossed the map and was poised to attack Pure. There was no way he could have aborted and pulled back to save his main. That said, an attack the moment an expansion finishes is extremely predictable so a more generous newswriter might suggest that Pure used his shuttles at that moment anticipating Movie's attack. Movie had a counterexpansion on the way and wouldn't be at much of a disadvantage if he just defended and waited but there is no way he could have known that. Doing the 'right' thing according to the textbook can often be the worst thing simply because the opponent has also read that book. There again, maybe Pure got lucky. He isn't exactly known for his strategic genius, we just don't know. What we do know is that darchons don't work midgame PvP and Movie's lack of a miracle mind control (darchon happens to be right where the shuttle is when it's vulnerable) left him behind.

+ Show Spoiler [Match Ratings] +
Kwark's Player Ratings
Pure: 3 of 5
Movie: 2 of 5

WaxAngel's Match Rating: 2 of 5
A passive PvP that ended in a flurry due to series of key decisions. Par for the course, but no impressive play from either player.


(Z)ZerO vs (Z)EffOrt - Great Barrier Reef
Record: Zero - 1:2 - Effort
+ Show Spoiler [Battle Report] +

Zero got red at 12 while effort got white at 4 on Great Barrier Reef. Zero went for 12 hatch, 11 pool, 10 gas while effort went overpool gas. Effort's first lings were able to get into Zero's base and managed to kill a drone although they inflicted no real damage. The price of making lings early was a delayed lair, and despite getting gas much faster than Zero, effort's lair was went up at roughly the same time. Effort took his own natural as he harassed with his early lings, and added a quick sunken to hold it against the mass lings that Zero's second hatchery would enable.

Zero tried to break effort's natural but changed his mind and backed out with the sunken on 1/3 health although personally I think he could have broken in. In any case, effort subsequently secured his natural with a wide concave of lings, keeping it safe. Both players transitioned to mutalisks in roughly equal shape, both with two hatcheries, two gas and even supply counts.

Their muta clashed in the middle with effort getting the better of the exchange, as Zero ran into a few stray scourge. He tried to follow this up with an attack with both mutalisks and zerglings but found his zerglings soundly defeated despite the mutalisk fight going roughly even. This left Zero at a slight disadvantage in mutalisks but with a dozen more zerglings and a five supply advantage. However he continued to micro poorly against scourge and sent all his zerglings to die attacking a sunken underneath effort's mutalisk flock without any air support.

Zero continued to micro badly against scourge, and without zerglings to threaten a counter-attack, effort just moved in with mutalisks and took finished him off. GG.

A solid game by effort and a very bad game by Zero. While I understand mutalisk micro isn't easy that doesn't stop me expecting that progamers get it right. Zero didn't get it right so I've got to say he played badly and deserved to lose. You simply have to be able to micro mutalisks vs scourge, effort could and Zero couldn't.

+ Show Spoiler [Match Ratings] +
Kwark's Player Ratings
Effort: Slightly better than 2
Zero: 2 of 5

WaxAngel's Match Rating: 1 of 5
Slightly sloppy ZvZ that ended because of a momentary micro mistake.


(T)fOrGG vs (P)Kal - Fighting Spirit
Record: fOrGG - 4:3 - Kal
Map Stats: Terran - 63:69 - Protoss
+ Show Spoiler [Battle Report] +

Kal spawned in blue at 11 while fOrGG got brown at 7 on Fighting Spirit. Both players began with standard openings, fOrGG walling in with depots and rax while Kal made a quick zealot to block his ramp. Neither player could scout the other, and Kal took the opportunity to do his usual fast robotics facility before dragoon strategy as he used against Flash last week. fOrGG went for a standard siege expand with a line of turrets around the edge of his base while Kal cut many dragoons so he could squeeze out enough gas to follow his fast robo with a dual tech of reavers and dts. Ka's first shuttle came with a reaver and two zealots, but fOrGG's e-bay obscured turret almost killed it before it pulled back.

Kal proceeded to shuttle reaver micro at fOrGG's natural, finding a turret free zone and using a zealot to draw tank fire so the reaver could take shots at the SCVs. In the meanwhile, his second shuttle suicided into fOrGG's base from the top, dropping two DTs in the process. Without mines, and turrets built only around the perimeter of his base, fOrGG was forced to run all of his SCVs from his main base as the Dark Templars moved in. DTs arrived quickly by ground from Kal's base, and combined with the reaver were easily able to kill off the defenses at fOrGG's natural and forced him to lift.

Eventually fOrGG completed a chain of turrets to gain detection in his main and finally started mining again. But Kal had already expanded during his very succesful harassment, and was thirty population ahead. Kal continued to pile on the misery, dropping two reavers in fOrGG's main to kill a large amount of SCVs. fOrGG tried to retake his natural, but only succeeded in losing all his tanks to dragoons and reavers. fOrGG realized that the situation was hopeless, and GG'd out.

A nice build but although the reaver was really fast fOrGG should have taken less damage from it. Kal has been using this build every PvT on Fighting Spirit for a while now. It's fairly simple, a fast zealot so they don't know you're robo rushing into harassment. One look at the fast zealot should give it away by now. Still, the added dt drop was a nice touch and fOrGG can be forgiven for not seeing that coming. If he had done better against the reaver he'd have had more luck vs the dts. A nice build executed extremely well by Kal. He's beginning to look like a credible threat this OSL.

+ Show Spoiler [Match Ratings] +
Kwark's Player Ratings
Kal: 4 of 5
fOrGG: 2 of 5

WaxAngel's Match Rating: 3.5 of 5
One-sided game, but Kal's execution of this harassment heavy build was very good.


Extras
RO8 Week One Interviews by Jaester88
Korean Air OSL Results and Standings Megathread



Coming up....


Round of Eight, Week 2 - April 30th
(T)Flash <Great Barrier Reef> (T)BaBy
<Match Point>
(P)Movie <Fighting Spirit> (P)Pure
<Eye of the Storm>
(Z)ZerO <Match Point> (Z)EffOrt
<Fighting Spirit>
(T)fOrGG <Eye of the Storm> (P)Kal
<Great Barrier Reef>

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Bracket by SilverskY


A week of little news, as it usually has been since OnGameNet began splitting their best of three series into two weeks. It is too early to declare the demise of the players who have gone down 0-1, so we will have to wait till this week's final games at Ulsan stadium to see what these players are made of.



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AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
April 27 2010 23:02 GMT
#2
the big preview box is broken, to be fixed later
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
April 27 2010 23:09 GMT
#3
wow. hugeeee article
great read and i agree

Flash vs baby was great <3
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-27 23:31:25
April 27 2010 23:09 GMT
#4
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nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
April 27 2010 23:14 GMT
#5
I love the new ratings section
TheYukoner
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada80 Posts
April 27 2010 23:16 GMT
#6
Great read, thanks.
rugmonkey
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom126 Posts
April 27 2010 23:16 GMT
#7
Nice Flashes game was awesome. Especially seeing baby pull the supply back even though most was due to flash dropping on top of mines.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
April 27 2010 23:45 GMT
#8
I really like the style of this article, with spoilers for each Battle Report and Ranking
Looks nice and clean, easier to find what you want than previous ones I've read.

And the brackets by Silversky are so nice~
KTY
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
April 27 2010 23:49 GMT
#9
the player v player record section confused me, cause it's 1am and i've just finished my lab report, i glanced at zero v effort and thought it said that zero had lost the bo3 1-2.. almost died!
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
April 27 2010 23:49 GMT
#10
thanks
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
April 27 2010 23:51 GMT
#11
Flash vs Effort finals gogogo!
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
April 27 2010 23:53 GMT
#12
nice article
Flash is going to crush baby again next game
effort zero is another tossup i bet
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C0rrupt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States57 Posts
April 27 2010 23:54 GMT
#13
Nice article

Flash might win this >.>
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
April 28 2010 00:17 GMT
#14
On April 28 2010 08:54 C0rrupt wrote:
Nice article

Flash will win this >.>

Fixed.
Loved the write ups, especially for Baby vs Flash. Will go watch the games now.
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
April 28 2010 00:28 GMT
#15
Good read!

I'm impressed by how well pure is doing
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9719 Posts
April 28 2010 00:47 GMT
#16
GOGO FORGG

YOU CAN BEAT KAL!

screw baby vs flash.
boomer hands
JadeFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 02:37:54
April 28 2010 01:25 GMT
#17
Great write-up as always.

There's a grammatical error in the first sentence though that's really bugging me...

dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
April 28 2010 01:26 GMT
#18
Its sad Efffort will prob beat Kal, then get utterly crushed by Flash.
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Switzerland8970 Posts
April 28 2010 01:40 GMT
#19
wow great article. TL > Fomos
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Heyoka
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Katowice25012 Posts
April 28 2010 01:52 GMT
#20
oooo match ratings, very cool. Nice writeup!

I read coverage to decide if I want to watch a game. They aren't as fun not-live and I can't catch them all, so I use coverage to gauge if I want to look any up.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14892 Posts
April 28 2010 02:09 GMT
#21
if flash doesn't take this i'd be shocked
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 28 2010 02:20 GMT
#22
I think Flash vs Kal is the best potential OSL final we can get. And it would be a good OSL final too; Calm vs. Flash was an incredibly high-level match and I'd expect Flash vs Kal to be equally high level.

At the moment, Kal is the only P who can take a game off of Flash in a Best of series. He's an incredibly smart player who seems to be the only person have any chance at all of taking a game off Flash.
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 28 2010 02:53 GMT
#23
Nice writeup, I love these little updates
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 03:01:29
April 28 2010 03:00 GMT
#24
On April 28 2010 11:20 thunk wrote:
I think Flash vs Kal is the best potential OSL final we can get. And it would be a good OSL final too; Calm vs. Flash was an incredibly high-level match and I'd expect Flash vs Kal to be equally high level.

At the moment, Kal is the only P who can take a game off of Flash in a Best of series. He's an incredibly smart player who seems to be the only person have any chance at all of taking a game off Flash.


Kal is good, but i sorta lol'd at kal being the only P who can take a game off flash. kal is 1-5 flash with the 1 game being a dt rush where flash skips turrets last summer. flash is just so clutch, i dont think kal can take a single game off flash.

imo zero has the best chance, but the problem is whether he'll make it or whether his zvz will fail him
routine
Profile Joined January 2010
United States40 Posts
April 28 2010 03:20 GMT
#25
yea zero could take out flash if he gets past effort, but i think hes still unsure of himself in zvz
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
April 28 2010 03:21 GMT
#26
I am kinda worried for Flash... He's been playing so much recently and only TvT which gives his opponents great deal of insight into his style...

I hope he will win though. I think once he will pass baby nothing can stop him. I am only afraid for Flash this time because weird things can happen in bo3... But I can't imagine anyone winning 3 games against Flash on one day...
zipz0p
Profile Joined February 2010
United States123 Posts
April 28 2010 03:41 GMT
#27
Thanks guys, I really like your descriptions and analysis of the games.

You've missed the poll option that describes my watching habits: I read the TL coverage after I have watched the VODs to gain insight into the games from the knowledgeable (if opinionated!) TL staff. I enjoy the new ratings, it is interesting to compare with my opinions of the games.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
April 28 2010 04:06 GMT
#28
looking forward to a similar format for matchups to come :D

thanks for the writeup!
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RoyW
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Ireland270 Posts
April 28 2010 05:59 GMT
#29
Thanks very much for the write-up. I've always read all write-ups, even when I have watch all of the games. It's like asking your much more knowledgeable and articulate friend what he thought of a sporting event you saw recently.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 28 2010 06:22 GMT
#30
On April 28 2010 12:00 saltywet wrote:
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On April 28 2010 11:20 thunk wrote:
I think Flash vs Kal is the best potential OSL final we can get. And it would be a good OSL final too; Calm vs. Flash was an incredibly high-level match and I'd expect Flash vs Kal to be equally high level.

At the moment, Kal is the only P who can take a game off of Flash in a Best of series. He's an incredibly smart player who seems to be the only person have any chance at all of taking a game off Flash.


Kal is good, but i sorta lol'd at kal being the only P who can take a game off flash. kal is 1-5 flash with the 1 game being a dt rush where flash skips turrets last summer. flash is just so clutch, i dont think kal can take a single game off flash.

imo zero has the best chance, but the problem is whether he'll make it or whether his zvz will fail him


Yea, it's really laughable because Kal keeps getting put in against Flash, again and again. If you've looked at the games they're long and Kal has made decisions that put him in reach of victory, but as you said, Flash is Flash. I think it's a testament to how good Kal is because he keeps getting matched against Flash.

What other P's would you consider? Movie maybe. He did take one game off of Flash in the OSL finals. Stork? Perhaps. Jangbi and Bisu? If they ever got their respective acts together. Free and Best round out the last of the six dragons, but I never had much faith in Free as a player. I'm as much of an SK fanboy as the next, but Fantasy stands a much better chance than Best or Bisu. All the other P's out there stand about as good of a chance as a next, and they're only stealing a game by cheesing.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 28 2010 06:55 GMT
#31
If it ever got there, Stork could eliminate Flash in a semi final. That's the closest I can see besides Jaedong getting his act together.

I mean everyone else, even Bisu or Best or Kal, at their best don't really measure up to this version of Flash. Stork and Jaedong are the only players I've seen honest to goodness beat him in a manner where I thought they could truly be considered the better player (And, actually, Leta and Skyhigh did this but my faith in Flash's TvT will never waver. 22-0).
Remember Violet.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
April 28 2010 07:10 GMT
#32
Great write up as usual. I wasn't gonna comment until I saw that GORGEOUS bracket!

Great job
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radiumz0rz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States253 Posts
April 28 2010 07:30 GMT
#33
these recaps are really helpful for pointing out games to watch. with sc2, i only want to be watching the best sc1 games !
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 28 2010 07:35 GMT
#34
On April 28 2010 15:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If it ever got there, Stork could eliminate Flash in a semi final. That's the closest I can see besides Jaedong getting his act together.

I mean everyone else, even Bisu or Best or Kal, at their best don't really measure up to this version of Flash. Stork and Jaedong are the only players I've seen honest to goodness beat him in a manner where I thought they could truly be considered the better player (And, actually, Leta and Skyhigh did this but my faith in Flash's TvT will never waver. 22-0).


Yea, consider the number of players who could take an off-form Flash in their peak. Stork, Bisu, Jaedong, Effort, Leta, Calm, mayyybbbee Leta/Zero. Who's still in the OSL? Zero and Effort, and they're not even close to in form. And one eliminates the other next week.

But such is the OSL curse.
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anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
April 28 2010 09:03 GMT
#35
On April 28 2010 08:09 LunarDestiny wrote:
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um... okay
nice Sorry! board, but cant find the relevance to this thread.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
April 28 2010 09:11 GMT
#36
On April 28 2010 12:00 saltywet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 11:20 thunk wrote:
I think Flash vs Kal is the best potential OSL final we can get. And it would be a good OSL final too; Calm vs. Flash was an incredibly high-level match and I'd expect Flash vs Kal to be equally high level.

At the moment, Kal is the only P who can take a game off of Flash in a Best of series. He's an incredibly smart player who seems to be the only person have any chance at all of taking a game off Flash.


Kal is good, but i sorta lol'd at kal being the only P who can take a game off flash. kal is 1-5 flash with the 1 game being a dt rush where flash skips turrets last summer. flash is just so clutch, i dont think kal can take a single game off flash.

imo zero has the best chance, but the problem is whether he'll make it or whether his zvz will fail him

Actually in recent games Kal often had a pretty big lead over Flash and just managed to loose pretty much out of nowhere. Think of the game where he had a lot of carriers and like half of the map against Flash with 3 or 4 bases and Kal just flew his carriers around without doing anyting while Flash sieged all of his bases and just won
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
April 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#37
After these matches, chance of boring mirrors is very little ^^ This OSL is gonna be exiting :D
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
April 28 2010 11:12 GMT
#38
On April 28 2010 12:00 saltywet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 11:20 thunk wrote:
I think Flash vs Kal is the best potential OSL final we can get. And it would be a good OSL final too; Calm vs. Flash was an incredibly high-level match and I'd expect Flash vs Kal to be equally high level.

At the moment, Kal is the only P who can take a game off of Flash in a Best of series. He's an incredibly smart player who seems to be the only person have any chance at all of taking a game off Flash.


Kal is good, but i sorta lol'd at kal being the only P who can take a game off flash. kal is 1-5 flash with the 1 game being a dt rush where flash skips turrets last summer. flash is just so clutch, i dont think kal can take a single game off flash.

imo zero has the best chance, but the problem is whether he'll make it or whether his zvz will fail him


First of all zero can't even do well vs decent terran, and if he's gonna face Flash for the title.
When there's Flash there's a way.
Fx_
Profile Joined April 2008
503 Posts
April 28 2010 11:43 GMT
#39
On April 28 2010 18:11 luckybeni2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 12:00 saltywet wrote:
On April 28 2010 11:20 thunk wrote:
I think Flash vs Kal is the best potential OSL final we can get. And it would be a good OSL final too; Calm vs. Flash was an incredibly high-level match and I'd expect Flash vs Kal to be equally high level.

At the moment, Kal is the only P who can take a game off of Flash in a Best of series. He's an incredibly smart player who seems to be the only person have any chance at all of taking a game off Flash.


Kal is good, but i sorta lol'd at kal being the only P who can take a game off flash. kal is 1-5 flash with the 1 game being a dt rush where flash skips turrets last summer. flash is just so clutch, i dont think kal can take a single game off flash.

imo zero has the best chance, but the problem is whether he'll make it or whether his zvz will fail him

Actually in recent games Kal often had a pretty big lead over Flash and just managed to loose pretty much out of nowhere. Think of the game where he had a lot of carriers and like half of the map against Flash with 3 or 4 bases and Kal just flew his carriers around without doing anyting while Flash sieged all of his bases and just won


you do not understand what you say
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This feature TvP mu, where toss have a (slightly) more forces, than terran have

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Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
April 28 2010 11:50 GMT
#40
Can we see the VODs somewhere?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42249 Posts
April 28 2010 12:49 GMT
#41
On April 28 2010 20:50 Gulzt wrote:
Can we see the VODs somewhere?

Tea Ell Pea Dee
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Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
April 28 2010 12:58 GMT
#42
On April 28 2010 21:49 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 20:50 Gulzt wrote:
Can we see the VODs somewhere?

Tea Ell Pea Dee

Thanks, wasn't aware of that, pretty new here. Thx.
HollOwed
Profile Joined April 2010
United States17 Posts
April 28 2010 13:06 GMT
#43
Gogo Zerg pawa!!
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
April 28 2010 15:01 GMT
#44
Great writeup! I read the descriptions and ratings to decide if I'm going to watch a game, as such I will be watching Flash vs Baby later
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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
April 28 2010 16:35 GMT
#45
On April 28 2010 15:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If it ever got there, Stork could eliminate Flash in a semi final. That's the closest I can see besides Jaedong getting his act together.

I mean everyone else, even Bisu or Best or Kal, at their best don't really measure up to this version of Flash. Stork and Jaedong are the only players I've seen honest to goodness beat him in a manner where I thought they could truly be considered the better player (And, actually, Leta and Skyhigh did this but my faith in Flash's TvT will never waver. 22-0).


bisu did 2-1 flash on heartbreak ridge last WCG with pretty high level play

On April 28 2010 20:12 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 12:00 saltywet wrote:
On April 28 2010 11:20 thunk wrote:
I think Flash vs Kal is the best potential OSL final we can get. And it would be a good OSL final too; Calm vs. Flash was an incredibly high-level match and I'd expect Flash vs Kal to be equally high level.

At the moment, Kal is the only P who can take a game off of Flash in a Best of series. He's an incredibly smart player who seems to be the only person have any chance at all of taking a game off Flash.


Kal is good, but i sorta lol'd at kal being the only P who can take a game off flash. kal is 1-5 flash with the 1 game being a dt rush where flash skips turrets last summer. flash is just so clutch, i dont think kal can take a single game off flash.

imo zero has the best chance, but the problem is whether he'll make it or whether his zvz will fail him


First of all zero can't even do well vs decent terran, and if he's gonna face Flash for the title.


zero vs flash on match point last MSL was one of the most perfect zvt's i've seen with good map abuse. zero can play brilliantly, its just that he still lacks consistency

On April 28 2010 15:22 thunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 12:00 saltywet wrote:
On April 28 2010 11:20 thunk wrote:
I think Flash vs Kal is the best potential OSL final we can get. And it would be a good OSL final too; Calm vs. Flash was an incredibly high-level match and I'd expect Flash vs Kal to be equally high level.

At the moment, Kal is the only P who can take a game off of Flash in a Best of series. He's an incredibly smart player who seems to be the only person have any chance at all of taking a game off Flash.


Kal is good, but i sorta lol'd at kal being the only P who can take a game off flash. kal is 1-5 flash with the 1 game being a dt rush where flash skips turrets last summer. flash is just so clutch, i dont think kal can take a single game off flash.

imo zero has the best chance, but the problem is whether he'll make it or whether his zvz will fail him


Yea, it's really laughable because Kal keeps getting put in against Flash, again and again. If you've looked at the games they're long and Kal has made decisions that put him in reach of victory, but as you said, Flash is Flash. I think it's a testament to how good Kal is because he keeps getting matched against Flash.

What other P's would you consider? Movie maybe. He did take one game off of Flash in the OSL finals. Stork? Perhaps. Jangbi and Bisu? If they ever got their respective acts together. Free and Best round out the last of the six dragons, but I never had much faith in Free as a player. I'm as much of an SK fanboy as the next, but Fantasy stands a much better chance than Best or Bisu. All the other P's out there stand about as good of a chance as a next, and they're only stealing a game by cheesing.


so far past 3 games kal has tried to play standard against flash. i really hope kal is saving up some really pimp cheesy abusive builds and trying to make flash underestimate him, because simply playing standard doesnt do him any justice. a kal vs flash final this osl would definitely be best possible finals. movie, pure or effort would be the worst possible opponents which is why im rooting against them
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
April 28 2010 16:44 GMT
#46
Match and Player ratings~
Nice! I actually did read through these for once.
I didn't catch all the games this time.
Gooooood stuff.
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LetMeShine
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
979 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-29 08:17:20
April 29 2010 08:15 GMT
#47
bisu did 2-1 flash on heartbreak ridge last WCG with pretty high level play


That's when Flash wasn't raping everyone and had that 20% win rate against dragons. Heartbreak Ridge was a difficult map for terran to push on too.

zero vs flash on match point last MSL was one of the most perfect zvt's i've seen with good map abuse. zero can play brilliantly, its just that he still lacks consistency


Zero doesn't lack consistency. He just can't win in tense situations. The deeper Zero gets in individual leagues, the less chance he has of winning series matches.

so far past 3 games kal has tried to play standard against flash. i really hope kal is saving up some really pimp cheesy abusive builds and trying to make flash underestimate him, because simply playing standard doesnt do him any justice. a kal vs flash final this osl would definitely be best possible finals. movie, pure or effort would be the worst possible opponents which is why im rooting against them


I don't think Flash would underestimate Kal since he's the only protoss that constantly gets to the late game.
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-29 20:31:08
April 29 2010 20:30 GMT
#48
match ratings are a very nice touch, keep up the great reports!
in relation to the poll, I read through these posts regardless of if I've watched the games or not (i'll avoid them until I've watched games I'm excited about though) though I'll generally skim the battle reports for key events instead of reading them fully.
also happy birthday Waxangel!
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
April 29 2010 21:02 GMT
#49
KIM GOOHYUN!
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42249 Posts
April 29 2010 22:04 GMT
#50
Getting to the late game against Flash isn't an achievement, he never loses the late game. Your chances of winning vs Flash start low and only get worse.
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Crt
Profile Joined November 2009
247 Posts
May 01 2010 12:40 GMT
#51
Another option: I don't read TL coverage. I did a 30s-1 minute skim.
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