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[MSL] Coup de Grace

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[MSL] Coup de Grace

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January 13th, 2010 17:55 GMT
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The MSL is winding down, but the games are amping up. The quarterfinals separated those who did not belong from those who are truly a cut above. Only one series went beyond a third game, as the favorites delivered the coup de grace to their foes, quick, clean and easy.

The semifinals promise to bring higher caliber games in preparation for the final itself. Who will compete in the finals? Who will kiss the MSL trophy? We’ll just have to wait and see, but nearly all the possibilities are exciting and fitting ends which should allow the name of NATE to be redeemed in MSL history.


MSL Quarterfinals Recap

(Z)Kwanro v (T)Light

Game 1: Match Point
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I’ve used the phrase ‘mindless aggression’ to characterize two players in Starcraft today. One of them is Kwanro, and the other is JangBi, back when JangBi was easily rattled and still baby-faced. Kwanro, though, has never thought really to inject a whole lot of sense into his play, yet he has succeeded on the back of his strong micro and reliable game sense. These days, though, while micro helps and is essential for high-level success, the real key to winning is power macro and scouting (or, if you’re Korean, clairvoyance). So when the game length was 6 minutes, Kwanro opted for a 12 hatch and Light went for 1 rax expand, I wasn’t sure if the game was going to play to Kwanro’s strengths at all. Maybe the 12 hatch was a fake out, because it looked like Kwanro had taken a bite of the late game mentality, decided he didn’t like the taste, and went back to what works. And somehow, despite Light’s firebats, it worked. Kwanrolled in a brand new way.

Game 2: Fighting Spirit
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It usually amuses me when two games have identical openings in a series. It means that either somebody thinks that the map makes a big difference, or the first game was a fluke. I’m betting it was Light who felt gypped, and Kwanro who felt bold. Of course, the openings weren’t identical, as Kwanro opted for a very uncharacteristic (for his style) third hatch early. Light clearly remembered the last game though, because he built his bunker earlier, in case Kwanro decided to go special forces with his lings again. Instead, it was a very typical (except for maybe two or three pairs of lings) 3 hatch approach to the Zerg midgame, dropping a hatchery and a sunken to be safe. Light put down his academy, and probably breathed a little easier. Kwanro still tried to be irritating with his lings, but some menacing looking firebats stopped them cold at the ramp to Light’s main. Then there were mutas, turrets, dead marines, a third base, the whole shebang, if you will. Light’s micro, persistence, and reinforcements managed to keep Kwanro from transferring drones to his third, which considerably slowed Kwanro’s economy. Because Kwanro’s harass had done practically no damage, Light’s timings were spot on, and he had 2 tanks, an m&m army, and a vessel before Kwanro had his third comfortably saturated. Kwanro just sort of ignored Light’s rising vessel count at the start, evidently subscribing to the ‘I-don’t –think-irradiate-is-all-that-annoying’ school of ZvT thought. Light didn’t punish him for it though, as his defilers were able to drive the first push back with just swarm & a fair number of lings. The whole game looked like an uphill battle for Kwanro, constantly being irritated by Light’s vessels and failing to control the map. Finally, Kwanro made Light back off, which allowed him to set up a fourth and a fifth base, and bouncing off that economy and his spectacular defiler play and game management, Kwanro took the win to put him up 2-0.

Game 3: Odd-Eye
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What can I say? Short games favor Kwanro. Being up 2-0 favors a player in a series. Cross spots favors the Zerg in ZvT. Light had a lot of ground to make up, and not a whole lot of wiggle room. I had expected some boldness from Light in this series. You’re down 2-0—you have to do something to bring yourself back into it. Standard play wasn’t favoring Light, so I assumed maybe he would do a bunker rush, or a 3 rax sunken brake, or mech, just something different that might give him an edge in a mental game dominated by Kwanro’s antics. But nonesuch. Another 1 rax expand. Forgive me for soapboxing, but this is what I dislike about the game these days, and this is what I dislike about players like Light. He didn’t seem to have even the slightest grasp on what to do except mindlessly execute a preconceived gameplan. Kwanro will make you improvise, but if you can respond, you can put him on his heels. It was like Light hadn’t even considered who he was playing or what that player might do. Kwanro, to his credit, was bold in repeating his strategy. He went gas first for the super fast mutas, with some mass ling play again. Light stuffed the lings the first time, but couldn’t stop them a second time. Basic stuff. Light’s barracks were burning, and the mutas were spawning. Never a good way to win. There’s nothing else to say except Light earned his 0-3 series’ fail, because it was a disastrous showing from a generally solid player.


(Z)Jaedong v (P)Stats

Game 1: Odd-Eye
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As I was eyed the Round of 8 of this OSL, I kept scratching my head and asking how Stats got this far. I even checked the R&S thread to see if they had gotten it right and hadn’t mixed him up with Bisu instead. Sure enough, though, Stats had earned his slot. And now he was going to get rolled. There was no question from the very beginning, as Jaedong was his opponent. Jaedong dialed up his virtuoso 9 pool play, while Stats went forge FE and attempted to give Jaedong a headache with his probe. Deciding that he was too good for 2 cannons against a Jaedong 9 pool, Stats cut his corners and relinquished a zergling scout into his main. More lings rallied to Stats' natural while Jaedong droned up at his three bases. Maybe it was lacking a second cannon (actually, it was definitely because he lacked a second cannon) but Jaedong managed to run 4 lings into Stats’ main. While they did minimal damage, I think their effectiveness was far more in the distraction category, and I think it got into Stats’ head, in case the prospect of playing Jaedong hadn’t already intimidated him into wetting his bed. Meanwhile, Jaedong teched to lurkers which spawned in plenty of time to reject an archon and some wayward zealots attacking his third. Jaedong screwed up a premature attack on Stats’ natural with uncharacteristically bad micro, but at least it kept Stats honest, who finally threw down the second cannon, at about the same time as Jaedong threw down his third base and macroed a giant lurker army, which he promptly threw at Stats’ natural. Stats was forced to burn his storms before he’d wanted to, I think, and some far-too-late storm drops proved impotent to keep lings from streaming into his natural and sealing the game for Jaedong.

Game 2: Fighting Spirit
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The bright side about this game for Stats was that nothing had really changed for his mental position. He should have expected to be 0-1 at this point, and he had some time to line some good builds up. Didn’t change the fact that he was playing Jaedong, though, and Jaedong didn’t seem to care who he was playing. He could have been playing Deep Fritz 11 (reference for the chess fans) and he would have won this game. Jaedong is very comfortable with the 9 pool and its variations, because he did it again this time, and Stats responded with a personal innovation: two cannons. Jaedong waded ankle deep into his opponent’s defenses before realizing nothing could be accomplished and backed out, expanding twice and morphing a lair, as is typical. A sair popped out for Stats, and he began upgrading +1 at the forge, while Jaedong added drones and hatcheries. There may have been an element of bait-and-switch going on, because Jaedong’s muta timing was a little unusual, and I don’t think Stats had bothered to think mutas with the fast added hatcheries. As could be expected, Jaedong’s mutas were wickedly effective, and Stats was well on his way to another loss even before Jaedong safely added a fourth base. Credit where credit is due, Stats’ army composition was good for the muta and lurker threat, being mainly dragoons, but a pure goon army won’t last long as the Zerg makes a nearly effortless transition to mass hydra unless it has templar support, which it didn’t. Even more perplexing was that his army didn’t have observer support until an embarrassingly long time after his first DT had seen the morphing hydras. I also got the sense that Jaedong was toying with Stats, as an absolutely brutal number of lings put on a show, surrounding and mauling the dragoons. 4 bases to 2, no army for the Protoss, Jaedong at the helm. GG in a surprisingly lopsided game, even for these players.

Game 3: Match Point
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Jaedong 9 pooled again, snuck two lings in, and while they didn’t accomplish much, I don’t think they needed to. And on a personal note, I’m rarely vindictive, except two cases: certain collegiate American football programs, and Starcraft. I hate being bunker rushed, and I hate having my expansion delayed by probes. I rooted hard for Jaedong when I saw that, and I make no intention to hide my bias there. I also need to make a critique of Stats here. He produced multiple corsairs, and then added gateways. One of the cardinal rules of Starcraft strategy as it has been explained to me is “No dead ends,” meaning, generally, make everything have a purpose. That’s why, when multiple corsairs are produced, that usually indicates some strategy that depends on corsairs killing things, and in the case of ZvP, that thing is overlords. But Stats didn’t employ the corsairs for anything more than annoying Jaedong. He didn’t make reavers, he didn’t make DTs. He flew his corsairs around not even in groups, and while they picked off maybe 3 overlords overall, they were easily scourged, and in the end little but a waste of resources and tied up supply. Jaedong was so unfazed by the corsairs he went for drops with his mass hyudras, and the corsairs couldn't stop it. Jaedong wiped out Stats’ main, including all of his tech, and traded his third for it. Meanwhile, Stats was scrambling to establish a third, and he took out Jaedong’s third. Jaedong traded his third base for Stats’ main, which is an advantage to the Zerg. Jaedong army then slowly picked away at Stats’ army, which he couldn’t reinforce, what with all of his tech and gateways destroyed, and it was pretty much game at that point.


(T)Flash v (P)BeSt

Game 1: Fighting Spirit
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Flash’s worst matchup used to be his TvZ. Not anymore. That dubious title now belongs to his TvP. So what would the Little Monster make of the Devil’s Apprentice? Let’s not ignore the fact that this is a proxy KT v SKT match, and that these players have played against each other, and Flash had never beaten BeSt before. Never. BeSt owned the all-time head-to-head 3-0, and Flash was looking to even the score with a sweep. BeSt, I’ve always found, likes to be exceptionally irritating with his scouting probe against Terrans, and this game was no different, but Flash shrugged it off. BeSt did a traditional 1 gate core, detouring at observers before adding gateways and double expanding. Flash answered by taking his natural and adding a factory. Then Flash used his paranormal game sense and moved out with three tanks, a handful of vultures and some marines, and caught BeSt at a weak spot. BeSt only had two gateways when Flash attacked, and Flash’s strong micro allowed him to scatter the opposing goons and bring down the natural nexus. The next thing Flash did was why I think he’s perhaps the smartest player around. He recognized that he’d done his damage, and instead of continually pressing the attack he backed off, with the total losses of one tank, two marines and maybe five vultures, which he traded for a couple probes, all of BeSt’s goons, and his natural nexus. Flash then scouted BeSt’s third, added factories and macroed, knowing he could exploit how weak he’d made BeSt. BeSt built a reaver, but Flash caught it and a couple dragoons in the open field and routed them, pushed to the natural, and won the game without breaking a sweat.

Game 2: Match Point
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BeSt continued his tradition of being annoying with his scouting probe by taking Flash’s gas, and once again Flash was unfazed. BeSt took an early expansion as did Flash, choosing to take his natural geyser and leave his main geyser taken, which seemed strange. BeSt ran by Flash’s natural bunker with three zealots and killed far too many SCVs, but Flash, ever poised, was working out how to strike back.

Meanwhile both took their thirds and sat on their heels, adding gateways and factories, and creeping up on their late game tech. Once again, though, Flash sensed a weak spot in BeSt’s build and sent way more tanks than he should have had at that point to the low ground cliffs below BeSt’s natural and hammered at the probes. BeSt came in to flank with a force of mainly dragoons, and tanks>dragoons in even numbers. Flash had his revenge plus a little more when BeSt’s natural nexus once again went down, but BeSt luckily had his first arbiter out to cloak his dragoons. That didn’t make that big of a difference to Flash’s vultures, who then raided BeSt’s third, killing far too many probes. The attack ended when stasis finished, but it gave Flash an opportunity to safely take his fourth, and a third gas.

BeSt then managed to sneak in an arbiter and recall a large number of zealots and dragoons into Flash’s main, causing havoc but not really as much damage as BeSt would have hoped. Still, BeSt hedged his bets and took a fourth, as Flash macroed up. The threat of the recall was what kept Flash in his base, because he had opportunities to strike with his superior force which I think could have won the game for him, but instead he raided with vultures and destroyed every probe in BeSt’s fourth. I was close to snoozing when Flash landed his Science Facility and attached a covert ops. Still, I think it was, along with his Maginot Line of turrets, another tactic to assuage his fears of arbiters this time via lockdown. I was wrong, though. Flash built a command center and attached a nuclear silo. While Flash was playing around with ghosts, though, BeSt had secured the 12 o’clock and was effectively keeping Flash from taking the 6 o’clock. Then Flash, every tricky, shot an EMP at BeSt’s 12 o’clock nexus and managed to kill it with a nuke launched from his own base. BeSt retaliated by recalling on Flash’s turret line while taking the 6 o’clock and rebuilding the 12 o’clock. Boldened by the recall’s success and the division of Flash’s forces, BeSt attacked up Flash’s middle toward his third and appeared to be rolling, with zealot reinforcements streaming in. Flash ended up pushing BeSt back, but Flash had an even bigger problem.

He was completely mined out. He had amassed enough of an army, however, that he was able to push toward the 6 o’clock, drive BeSt’s forces away, and float the command center that had previously been hosting the nuclear silo there. The constant fighting had depleted BeSt’s forces and he was taking a very long time to rebuild, while Flash had rallied and looked ready to drive Terran metal right at BeSt’s front. Unwilling to abandon his defensive position around his last remaining expansion, Flash reclaimed his covert ops, nuclear silo, and rebuilt a barracks to nuke BeSt’s 12 o’clock again. But a very aware nearby arbiter managed to throw a stasis field on the ghost at the last moment. After a few minutes of chicken, BeSt finally rammed his army up the gut of Flash’s enormous tank line, which was mostly under stasis and completely without vulture support. Flash rallied, however, and brough his forces being used elsewhere and BeSt came up noticeably short. The game dragged on for some time thereafter, but it was effectively over at that point and BeSt knew it.

Game 3: Ultimatum
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BeSt was once again annoying with his scouting probe. BeSt once again went 1 gate core. Flash once again expanded quickly, though more quickly than previously. BeSt pressured with dragoons, draining Flash’s minerals into repairing the bunker, and quickly thereafter he had taken Ultimatum’s island and was building a reaver. Flash smelled something funny because he had tanks ready to take the reaver on once it dropped, but BeSt was unable to find any place soft enough to penetrate with the shuttle. BeSt’s impotent shuttle harass must have encouraged Flash, who, for the third time, made attacks in the midgame that seemed to be timed precisely when BeSt was vulnerable. That, of course, was because Flash had opted for 5 factory pressure, and, smelling blood in the water, piled it on. BeSt maneuvered his reaver to cut off any reinforcements to Flash’s contain but it was too late for that. BeSt already had a big enough problem at his freshly mined and besieged natural. It dragged on for a while, but Flash had even managed to isolate BeSt’s dragoons from the zealots, which forced BeSt to try and break out before he wanted to. It was a narrow choke with far too many tanks aimed at it, but, looking like Reach trying to bust a contain with nothing but a long shot, BeSt almost shook the contain. He was a single tank kill from ending it, but at exactly the right time tanks reinforced the contain and vultures streamed up the ramp, and there was no doubt now that it was gg for BeSt.


(P)Kal v (T)Hwasin

Game 1: Odd-Eye
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In my mind, Hwasin is the Terran version of Kal, and Kal is the Protoss version of Hwasin. Sure, Hwasin’s been around longer, but they play on the same team, and they both have sat on the cusp of true accomplishment more than their fair share of times. Fortunately for one of them, their career will take a noticeable advance at the conclusion of the series, but, as they are teammates, I’m not certain “sorry” will be enough for the loser. Overall, the game was a fairly pedestrian macro war on Odd-Eye. Kal’s macro is sharper than Hwasin’s, so Kal had the edge in any late game scenarios, but Hwasin is a scrappy player so there was no telling for sure who’d take the series. Hwasin entrenched and threw up turrets, incorrectly predicting any shuttle harassment, but also to reject observers, which they did. Hwasin seemed content to macro out of only two factories until he had most of his tech in place, while Kal fearlessly nabbed a third and fourth expansion as he teched to arbiters. Hwasin responded with expanding to a mineral only, floating the command center over and having it nearly be sniped by about eight dragoons. Hwasin brought a little dropship harassment into play which turned into an utter disaster as Hwasin lost the dropship, its contents, and a handful of vultures. And so, because Starcraft is a game of inches, Kal had the lead. I thought at the time that Kal had probably overplayed his hand because he chose to double expand and engage Hwasin’s forces. Kal won the battle, and stuffed Hwasin’s vulture harassment. With ten minutes to go in the game, Kal’s lead had swelled, and Hwasin needed a miracle. Kal wasn’t willing to relinquish a miracle, and instead making matters worse by sniping the command center at Hwasin’s third. Hwasin secured a fourth, trying to claw back into the game by sheer will, and took the opportunity of a recall at his natural to trade not even losing an unproductive base for one of Kal’s. Then Kal recalled into Hwasin’s main, and that’s where a Terran really hurts. Kal trashed the main while exchanging yet another expansion for it. A flank assault on Hwasin’s unprepared army finished it off and sealed the game for Kal.

Game 2: Match Point
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Match Point hasn’t been too kind to Protoss. When there are two players with nearly identical skill levels, the map has to be considered in figuring who is going to win, and there is no question Hwasin got a boost here from Match Point. The map is exactly what a Terran wants against Protoss. It has easily defensible expansion, easily acquired expansions, and the ramps encourage and reward good defensive positioning. Both opened with safe, standard expansions and moved thoughtlessly to taking thirds, while adding factories and gateways. Kal went to arbiters and Hwasin to vessels. Kal double expanded, and I think this is where Kal dramatically overplayed his hand. I think he hadn’t properly scouted Hwasin’s army, because he would have held back if he had, as Hwasin had nothing to sneeze at, though the threat of recall had made him timid. That timidity even encouraged Kal to take yet another expansion, though Hwasin himself had taken a fourth at the mineral only. Kal, hoping to press Hwasin even harder, attacked the mineral only and with a good couple of stasis fields managed to press but not break Hwasin’s defenses. Meanwhile, Hwasin had snuck a pair of tanks to Kal’s 10 o’clock and shelled the nexus to rubble. This was replicated at Kal’s 5 o’clock, but Hwasin paid the price as Kal again tried his fourth and this time forced a liftoff but Kal was soon driven away. Hwasin played his hand just right, destroying what remained of Kal’s 2 o’clock and then setting up on the high ground in front of it to defend against Kal’s attempt to retake it. Kal’s attacks failed and Hwasin took the 5 o’clock and gained enough ground to shell Kal’s 6 o’clock. Hwasin’s steady advances, textbook siege-and-control TvP, and up-step macro met and defeated Kal at nearly every encounter. After destroying the 6 o’clock nexus, Hwasin took it, and Kal desperately threw his forces at Hwasin and managed to push him back and even force a liftoff of Hwasin’s 5 o’clock. Hwasin was mostly mined out but Kal was as well, but Hwasin was able to set up defenses and reclaim his 5 o’clock and eventually drive Kal away from the 6 o’clock. Each attack was depleting Kal’s forces, and being nearly out of minerals he was unable to continue the aggression, and once he was sure of that, Kal left the game.

Game 3: Ultimatum
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Many people see cheese and boo. I applauded Hwasin this game. I was inclined to think he got a little lucky in the last game and he knew it, and he probably also knew that neither Kal nor Ultimatum were going to do him any favors. What I applaud is players playing to win, no matter what it takes, and not starting games with preconceived ideas of what’s a fair strategy and what isn’t, and in this game, Hwasin did exactly what he should have to take a difficult series off of a player who is superior in the matchup. His strategy was good, it was his execution and a little bit of luck that let him down. He cast the dice with double proxy rax before depot. At first things looked good. Kal, when he approached Hwasin’s main, did not see a building at the front and so not believing Hwasin would cheese he passed up the main without a scout. Hwasin’s scout wasn’t prompt enough, however, and his marines were late to the fight, giving Kal enough time to put down a shield battery. Hwasin managed to kill a lot of probes, but there’s no halfway or recovery from a 2 rax before depot proxy. Kal had two dragoons and a third on the way, and marines aren’t exactly a dragoon counter, especially without medics or upgrades. A little bit of micro picked off the marines (one dragoon had 14 kills), leaving Hwasin pretty much defenseless and sealing the game.

Game 4: Fighting Spirit
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I would wager this is where both players expected to be at this point. Hwasin made a wager to make it his advantage, and that wager had not paid off, and it was Kal’s turn. Hwasin served up a woefully predictable one fact expand and Kal was little better in his opening. Kal applied a little pressure at Hwasin’s front but his sim city was tight and the zealots couldn’t get close to the tanks. Kal realized he was going to have to sit tight for a moment and both players contently made their tech choices and played with typical passivity until Kal’s reaver came out. I can’t think Hwasin was very surprised when he saw the reaver, and even though it picked off a tank or two and wounded a few others, Hwasin should have been able to capitalize when he destroyed the reaver and Kal had moved in with dragoons. That’s the best-case scenario for a Terran when he comes at you with reavers—you kill the reaver, lose no SCVs, and you only lose a tank or two. There were only seven dragoons, but Hwasin was too timid and he let the dragoons take shots at his natural SCVs while blocking his ramp with a tank that was barely in range of any dragoons. When he fortified the cliff above with additional tanks Kal should have been repulsed, and he was, but Hwasin endured far more damage than he ought to have. Kal took the opportunity to expand, add gateways, and macro up a sizeable army of dragoons. And this is when Hwasin made his big mistake. He moved out. He did not properly scout how many units Kal had, or that Kal had a new reaver, and he emptied his base even though he’d gained no advantage in Kal’s attack on his main and his army, exposed in the middle and not seiged, stood absolutely no chance. Hwasin gg’d and Kal advanced to the Ro4.



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Semifinal A

(T)Flash v (Z)Kwanro
Game 1: Odd-Eye
Game 2: Fighting Spirit
Game 3: Ultimatum
Game 4: Match Point
Game 5: Odd-Eye


The MSL Ro4 begins with a TvZ between heavy favorite Flash and the ever-scrappy Kwanro. In truth Flash shouldn’t be a heavy favorite here, but he definitely deserves to be a favorite. Though you probably wouldn’t guess it, Kwanro actually sits at #6 in the ELO rankings, and Flash of course is sitting at the top. #1 against #6, according to the numbers, is a match that should be close and go either way.

The first set is on Odd-Eye. Odd-Eye is exactly that, odd, in the way the games have played out on the map, but if a small sample size is to be believed than it has a significant pro Terran slant, but I’m going to go bold here. He does not make inspiring plays, but Kwanro at least shows he thinks and prepares, as demonstrated by his rout of Light. I think that Kwanro is going to push Flash with some early tactic or the super fast lair tactic that ZerO used against Flash. I know Flash is as solid as they come at cheese deflection and improvisation but Kwanro also has significantly underrated micro. The first set is a toss up, but I’m going with Kwanro to take the early lead.

The next set is one of the more solid maps in the MSL pool this season, Fighting Spirit. Don’t expect anything funky this game from Kwanro, because he seems to favor taking the second game safe. I would think that if Flash loses early in the first game to Kwanro he may bunker rush or try and put Kwanro off his game, but Flash should probably be content to ride his strong midgame into his stronger late game against Kwanro’s weaker mid and late game. I expect Flash to take every precaution if he gets burned by Kwanro’s antics, but I still think he could easily take on Kwanro even turreting like crazy. No matter what Kwanro does, I don’t think this will be a difficult game to Flash because his mental state will be locked in no matter the outcome of the first game and Fighting Spirit plays to Flash’s strengths. Probably a 1-1 or a 2-0 look with an edge to Flash at this point.

A funny thing about Kwanro is that he either seems to be locked in and playing smart or nothing goes his way. He has the ability to turn things around in the middle of a series but his brain seems to be all-in even if his units aren’t. What Kwanro chooses to do with Ultimatum is anyone’s guess, but I would be downright astonished if Flash chooses anything but 14 CC or 1 rax FE. Kwanro should know what his opponent is doing, so I hope he rubs some of the dust of the ZvT playbook and whips out 2 hatch lurker or in my wildest dreams some hydra/lurk which has been effective against Flash in the past. In another toss up, my gut goes Kwanro.

The fourth set is for Flash to put his foot down. If Flash deviates at all from his dogged predictability, it should be in this set, whether he’s up or down something atypical has its benefits here. To the extent we’ve seen mech on any of these maps, Match Point seems the best home for that, especially with the positioning emphasis the map has and the benefit tanks would bring to taking and holding large portions of ground. Kwanro looked sharp on Match Point against Light, but with all respect to Light, Flash is a different caliber of player, and he won’t miss what Light missed in that game. Flash should take this, and possibly seal the series. If everything goes right to Kwanro, we will go to a fifth set.

And we’re back on Odd-Eye, if we get here. As I wrote in my TLFE “A Finale in Five,” this is where the true caliber of a player is displayed, and I don’t think Kwanro has what it takes. I know that that’s an easy predication to make and an obvious choice, but it’s the truth. If Kwanro hasn’t won the series by the fifth set, which I doubt he will, he’ll not win it at all. Flash is too strong when it matters, and absolutely everything has to go right for Kwanro to win, and I just don’t see that happening. Flash will find himself in the NATE MSL Finals, and destiny will meet him there.

Semifinal B

(Z)Jaedong v (P)Kal
Game 1: Match Point
Game 2: Fighting Spirit
Game 3: Ultimatum
Game 4: Odd-Eye
Game 5: Match Point


Beware Jaedong fans: Kal is a dangerous opponent. It’s easy to overlook him because, frankly, Jaedong has rolled him in the past. But Kal is dangerous when he’s backed up in a corner and he has had very successful PvZ in the past. Jaedong’s also won 11 straight ZvP’s. So how crazy would it be to predict a Kal victory? Well, pretty crazy. Let me break it down:

Jaedong’s closest game against Stats was on Match Point, and Match Point doesn’t make things easy for Zerg, so if Jaedong loses a game at all, he’s going to lose this one. Remember, in the GOMTV MSL 4, Jaedong dropped the first game and then won the next 3. And made it look easy, too. If Kal looks strong at all, he’s going to look strong early, because Jaedong wears at you. Just watch every OSL finals he’s played in. But Kal is an undeniably strong player who has beaten Jaedong before and certainly had the capability to do it again, and Jaedong had a tendency to drop the first game. With more than a few things swinging his way, Kal has a strong chance to take this game. 1-0 Kal.

If Jaedong looked worst on Match Point, he’s looked best on Fighting Spirit. Kal looks comfortable on this map, but this game will be beyond Kal’s abilities. Kal is at his best with corsair play, and better with DTs after that, and I can’t even remember the last time that Jaedong lost because of DTs or reavers. Corsairs have no power against Jaedong, whose scourge appear to have homing capabilities. Kal will have to defend his corsairs because if he can’t scout Jaedong, he has no prayer to wins any of these games. Jaedong should use some tricky spire build here and shut down Kal’s corsairs and that will be both the beginning and the end of this game. Series ties, 1-1.

Expect Jaedong’s fury not to end on Fighting Spirit. If Kal can’t get his corsair game going, he can expect his woes to continue. I like Ultimatum for mutalisk openings in ZvP, especially because a greedy Protoss will go for sair/reaver and take the islands, and I would not be surprised if that’s exactly what Kal does. If Kal chooses that route, I think this game could be brutal. Jaedong doesn’t even appear irritated by corsairs at times, and he certainly ignores them when there’s something bigger at stake, and there hasn’t been much sair/reaver love of late because it’s still just as hard to pull off as it was 8 months ago. Jaedong shouldn’t flinch here, and I expect a swarm of hydralisks to overwhelm Kal’s main to bring the series to 2-1 Jaedong.

The fourth set will be played on Odd-Eye. One thing that sticks out in my mind about Jaedong is that he isn’t afraid to do risky things, but he only takes risks when he’s in a commanding position. Most people do it the other way around, which is why I suspect he’s so successful with it. Jaedong 5 pools in series games, in fact, he does it with surprising frequency. Most Zergs go through their careers without every doing something as stinky as a 5 pool, but Jaedong is not afraid of the risk. He’s used it against even the highest caliber of opponents. What does all of this have to do with this game on Odd-Eye? What I’m trying to say is that I’m expecting something cheesy from Jaedong. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a 5 pool or a 2 hatch muta or a cannon break, especially if he’s in the lead, and I’m positive Kal would be absolutely unprepared for it unless he scouts it, but I don’t expect him even to be looking for it. If Kal gets a little lucky, and Jaedong doesn’t do anything bold, I expect Kal to have a shot at winning this game. The expansions are reasonably defensible and if Kal is a little creative he has a chance to surprise Jaedong with maybe a 2 gate or in my wildest dreams, carriers. But I don’t expect Kal to be bold, and I expect Jaedong to be Jaedong. So, that being what it is, I expect Jaedong to win and take the series 3-1.

If I’m wrong, and the Kal manages to take another game, and we end up at a fifth set, I will hold to my overall series predication of a Jaedong win for precisely those reasons I listed at the commencement of this preview. Jaedong is on a monstrous ZvP winstreak; he’s won 4 straight against Kal in all manner of venues, and he looked extremely sharp against Stats. I also think Jaedong will be playing possessed for a chance at revenge against Flash for what happened in the OSL, and I still expect him to get his chance.



We’re entering the final stages on the MSL, and there is something very big to get excited about: the prospect of a Jaedong v Flash finals. Forget the Classic S1. Forget the EVER OSL. We’re probably gonna have a Jaedong v Flash finals, right here in the NATE MSL, and there’s no greater stage to have it on.
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fwing11
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada19 Posts
January 13 2010 18:06 GMT
#2
lol @ jaedong scourge homing capabilities ahah

but yeah, even though it's nice and fun to predict odd-ball victories, I would put all my money on a JD/Flash finals easily. sucks that flash has to practice vs Z (kwanro), vs P (movie) and vs whatever the proleague has to throw at him (suck if it's T ahah) at the same time. flash is a machine, granted, but this next week should be the ultimate test of his fitness
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 13 2010 18:16 GMT
#3
Guess the MSL Ro8 re-jigging is working out for them, at least this time. Star players are pitted against far weaker ones rather than each other, so they are much more likely to advance.
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FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6163 Posts
January 13 2010 18:16 GMT
#4
elo #1, #2, #4, #6..
God dam those semi-final will be awesome !!
n_n
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 13 2010 18:23 GMT
#5
When was the last time we had such incredible semi-finals?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Tich
Profile Joined February 2008
Mexico29 Posts
January 13 2010 18:27 GMT
#6
Interesting read.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 18:35:39
January 13 2010 18:33 GMT
#7
To me the map pool seems favourable for Kal i hope Jaedong brings his best . I doubt Kwanro can take on Flash , but he did show a great game against Light on fighting spirit although Light screwed that game badly .

I hope Jaedong vs Flash happens . It's like the never ending war beetwen the 2 best players in Starcraft .
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 13 2010 18:37 GMT
#8
Flash and JD to make it to Finals

BYYAAAHHHH!!!!!
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asdfTT123
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States989 Posts
January 13 2010 18:42 GMT
#9
I'm really rooting for Jaedong to pull through, and I'm confident he will. <3
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preacha
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway210 Posts
January 13 2010 18:43 GMT
#10
wow. epic banner! :D btw, kal fightiiiing!
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SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
January 13 2010 18:48 GMT
#11
gogo kwanro!
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x11tman
Profile Joined February 2009
Finland50 Posts
January 13 2010 18:51 GMT
#12
I expect neither Kwanro nor Kal to take a single game, but I hope they will.
ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
January 13 2010 18:53 GMT
#13
Good read, but Flash's #1 rank doesn't do him justice. The way you write about Flash vs Kwanro makes it sound like this is just any #1 rank vs the #6 rank, and that Kwanro has a chance of taking a game from him. While that's tactful and good writing, it just isn't probable.

Also, lol @ Stork's "dat ass" face in the banner.
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 13 2010 18:56 GMT
#14
On January 14 2010 02:55 Arrian wrote:
Jaedong wiped out Stats’ main, including all of his tech, and traded his third for it. Meanwhile, Stats was scrambling to establish a third, and he took out Jaedong’s third. Jaedong traded his third base for Stats’ main, which is an advantage to the Zerg.

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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
January 13 2010 18:59 GMT
#15
On January 14 2010 03:56 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 02:55 Arrian wrote:
Jaedong wiped out Stats’ main, including all of his tech, and traded his third for it. Meanwhile, Stats was scrambling to establish a third, and he took out Jaedong’s third. Jaedong traded his third base for Stats’ main, which is an advantage to the Zerg.

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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
January 13 2010 19:00 GMT
#16
Quite the contrary, I think jaedong will play standard on odd-eye.
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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
January 13 2010 19:00 GMT
#17
I'd like to mention that sair-reaver is actually pretty popular as of late, otherwise good job.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 13 2010 19:01 GMT
#18
On January 14 2010 03:37 BanZu wrote:
Flash and JD to make it to Finals

BYYAAAHHHH!!!!!

Yes... BUT NO FUCKING KWANRO VS JAEDONG MMKAY!?
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
January 13 2010 19:03 GMT
#19
Wow, I just looked at Kwanro's stats lately and he's REALLY REALLY good right now. Last year when he reached the finals I just attributed it to mediocre opponents and a zerg favored map pool. This year he seems like he actually deserves to be there. Should be an entertaining series.

Btw why is it that zergs like Zero, Hyun (who actually won), and Calm, especially Calm, have been able to challenge Flash so much whereas JD, who's still obviously better, got raped that badly
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fragamemnon
Profile Joined February 2009
United States20 Posts
January 13 2010 19:06 GMT
#20
Those far third bases on the MSL maps do Zerg no favors against Terran, much less against Flash who has made a killing denying Zerg their third for far longer than any Terran has a right to in that MU. I definitely think Kwanro has a steeper uphill fight than is portrayed here in this preview.

If it was the OSL map pool he'd be in far better shape.

Either way, I am thinking that tonight's BO5 with Flash is going to be better than the OSL one. :p
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 19:18:04
January 13 2010 19:17 GMT
#21
This MSL is much better than that previous zergfest nonsense.

I'm expecting Jaedong and Flash to roll their opponents and meet in the finals, but who knows what will happen?
I'll be very surprised if they don't win 3-1 though.
Sullifam
Redstorm[MFx]
Profile Joined September 2005
Norway258 Posts
January 13 2010 19:24 GMT
#22
im hoping kwanro can make it an exciting series, but to be honest i wouldnt freak out if flash simply 3-0`d him. Unless flash fucks up or kwanro does something far far beyond insane its gonna be flash vs JD. Yes...Kal will never win no matter how good he is. JD is better and he smells blood in the finals.
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bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
January 13 2010 19:29 GMT
#23
Salivating over the thought of a JD/Flash showdown at the finals.
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 13 2010 19:36 GMT
#24
On January 14 2010 04:03 SubtleArt wrote:
Wow, I just looked at Kwanro's stats lately and he's REALLY REALLY good right now. Last year when he reached the finals I just attributed it to mediocre opponents and a zerg favored map pool. This year he seems like he actually deserves to be there. Should be an entertaining series.

Btw why is it that zergs like Zero, Hyun (who actually won), and Calm, especially Calm, have been able to challenge Flash so much whereas JD, who's still obviously better, got raped that badly


mediocre opponents? Kwanro beat Iris, Flash, Zero, Stork to get into the finals.

Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 13 2010 19:40 GMT
#25
(T)Flash 3-0 (Z)Kwanro
(Z)Jaedong 3-1 (P)Kal
natturner
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
342 Posts
January 13 2010 19:51 GMT
#26
flash is gonna get kwanrolled, i know it. just 4pool every game
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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 20:07:17
January 13 2010 19:51 GMT
#27
Jaedong will 3-0 Kal, after which he will go on to win another 8 ZvP's straight and beat Flash's TvT streak... I hope. But I'll be surprised if either Flash or Jaedong will need more than 4 games to win their series anyway.
MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
January 13 2010 19:55 GMT
#28
If Kwanro vs Kal finals happen, I uninstall starcraft
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
January 13 2010 20:06 GMT
#29
Great read and here's hoping for a bunch of even greater semi's. Very pumped for this.
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hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
January 13 2010 20:28 GMT
#30
i swear, if it ends with MSL finals kwanro vs jaedong, i will cry

otherwise, great writeup as always!
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Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
January 13 2010 20:29 GMT
#31
Please make your spoilers more reader friendly, wall of texts are a bit annoying . Good read however.
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538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
January 13 2010 20:42 GMT
#32
People will hate Kal forever if he upsets Jaedong
And then when he beats Flash in the finals

+ Show Spoiler +
:-p
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 13 2010 20:43 GMT
#33
On January 14 2010 05:42 538 wrote:
People will hate Kal forever if he upsets Jaedong
And then when he beats Flash in the finals

+ Show Spoiler +
:-p


We would not hate Kal for winning the MSL, but for ruining one of the most epic finals ever.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 13 2010 20:49 GMT
#34
poor stork. his face is still used
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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
January 13 2010 21:16 GMT
#35
If Kwanro vs Kal finals happen, I uninstall starcraft
hahah,
but, great writeup! well done
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
January 13 2010 21:24 GMT
#36
JD vs Flash finals incoming? Impossible, s1 will fail
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rmm
Profile Joined November 2009
United States8 Posts
January 13 2010 21:27 GMT
#37
Flash vs Jaedong finals please!

Also, I don't believe kwanro has a chance against flash, at least not as much of the chance you presented for him.
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vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
January 13 2010 21:27 GMT
#38
On January 14 2010 06:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
JD vs Flash finals incoming? Impossible, s1 will fail


I dont see jaedong failing.. as he wants revenge against FlaSh

and flash failing..? nigguh please.
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t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 13 2010 22:03 GMT
#39
I hope Flash goes mech against Kwanro and Deep Six against Movie. Reverse kwanroll ftw
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 13 2010 22:07 GMT
#40
On January 14 2010 07:03 t_co wrote:
I hope Flash goes mech against Kwanro and Deep Six against Movie. Reverse kwanroll ftw


You mean the same "weak to early aggression" mech?

If Flash goes mech against Kwanro we'll have a Jaedong vs Kwanro finals...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
January 13 2010 22:17 GMT
#41
i feel like flash will probably try to beat kwanro while exposing as few strategies as possible in case of a flash vs. jaedong finals
imbecile
Profile Joined October 2009
563 Posts
January 13 2010 22:27 GMT
#42
On January 14 2010 04:03 SubtleArt wrote:
Btw why is it that zergs like Zero, Hyun (who actually won), and Calm, especially Calm, have been able to challenge Flash so much whereas JD, who's still obviously better, got raped that badly


Flash and Jeadon are very similar in their playing style: Solid, highly predictable game plans and god like mechanics, always doing the good solid standard strategic decision. Rarely doing anything unpredictable and only when they can afford it to fail.

So the way to beat them is to throw something at them that really really surprises them, and they don't know how to deal with it. Which is asking a lot, since their mechanics can pull them through a lot of trouble.

And Zero and Calm are about the opposite. Sure thy still have very good mechanics (they are pro after all), but that is not what their game is about, they are all about decision making and mind games and predicting the opponent. When they win, it is not because the opponent can't keep up mechanically, it is because he can't keep up mentally. So they are players that can throw something unexpected at even the best of the best and throw them off guard. Problem with this play style is, it can backfire. While it allows you to beat opponents that beat everyone else, it also often leads to you beating yourself for your opponent. Godlike mechanics stay godlike just by regular practice, which is hard, but simple. Staying ahead of everyone mentally is a constant struggle and challenge through, with a lot of dead ends and failures. And replays make sure that good strategies you came up with can be analyzed easily and allows your opponents to prepare for them.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
January 13 2010 23:05 GMT
#43
i loved the way you wrote it all hahaha

and everybody seems to forget about the fact that this is going (at least it's the most favorable to happen) for a Jaedong X Flash finals that will be perfect....
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 13 2010 23:45 GMT
#44
I would laugh if we get like a Jd vs Kwanro final. Would be hilarious.
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 14 2010 01:11 GMT
#45
The chance of JD vs Flash is so high that it's definitely going to end up being Kwanro vs Kal or Kwanro vs Jaedong instead. And then no more MSL in the future when they can't find a sponsor next time.
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NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
January 14 2010 01:21 GMT
#46
Really hoping for a JD vs Flash finals so that JD can punish his ass for cheesing him. : D But also because I don't wanna see a Kwanro JD finals, because that would just be rediculous.
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
January 14 2010 01:24 GMT
#47
Its sponsored by NATE. Its going to be Kwanro vs Jaedong (with Kwanro winning and no one giving a shit and fanboys screaming "Poor Jaedong ;_;" in the LR thread) or Kwanro vs Kal (where no one cares about either player).

Personally hoping for Kwanro to win the MSL because he's a really cool guy if we ignore the crazy eyes.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 14 2010 02:08 GMT
#48
Please make guardians, Kwanro.
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 14 2010 02:10 GMT
#49
nice recap.

minor correction: I think Jaedong went overpool instead of 9 pool. overpool is where you build a spawning pool after your second overlord spawns. it gives you later lings but a slightly better economy than a 9 pool.
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iMarshall
Profile Joined July 2008
Norway190 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 02:13:13
January 14 2010 02:12 GMT
#50
I really hope Jaedong and Flash will advance to the finals. Even though I'm a big fan of Jaedong, this would be the one time I really don't care that much who wins, if only all the games are great. Seeing how great Flash has played this season, he actually really deserves both and OSL and MSL win, IMO, just like I thought Jaedong deserved it last time, even though he "only" won the OSL.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 14 2010 02:13 GMT
#51
Also, if it wasn't caught already, I'm pretty sure Flash went 6 fac push and not 5 fac.
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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
January 14 2010 02:24 GMT
#52
Kwanro favours second game safe? Are you sure? Who went 4-pool in ZvZ?
:]
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
January 14 2010 02:27 GMT
#53
On January 14 2010 11:08 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Please make guardians, Kwanro.

cheap shot. everyone knows guardians are insta-loss
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
January 14 2010 02:33 GMT
#54
I think Flash vs Kwanro is going to be rather one sided

Jaedong vs Kal will be good though
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 03:11:26
January 14 2010 03:10 GMT
#55
My predictions:

Flash 3-0 Kwanro
Jaedong 3-1 Goojila
Flash 3-1 Jaedong

My wishes:
Flash 3-1 Kwanro
Jaedong 2-3 Goojila
Flash 3-2 Goojila

I'm probably the only non STX fan pulling for a Flash/Kal finals here. Not only because I like TvP more than TvZ, but because I think it will be a more enjoyable series overall. Flash steamrolled Jaedong in the OSL and I have no reason to believe he won't do the same here.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10340 Posts
January 14 2010 03:14 GMT
#56
Kwanro vs Kal would probably generate better games. Jaedong vs Flash would not live up to the hype and the nerd-rage would be unbearable. Whatever the finals are, at least it'll be better than the OSL finals.
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 14 2010 03:16 GMT
#57
Kwanro > JD would be the most hilarious result ever
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
January 14 2010 03:38 GMT
#58
JD 3-0's Kal to take the vP elopeak to new heights, i think Flash vs Kwanro will be the closer set here ;p
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Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
January 14 2010 04:08 GMT
#59
On January 14 2010 04:51 Cpadolf wrote:
Jaedong will 3-0 Kal, after which he will go on to win another 8 ZvP's straight and beat Flash's TvT streak... I hope.


YEAH JD WILL OFFRACE AGAINST FLASH AND PWN HIM EVEN HARDER!
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 14 2010 05:07 GMT
#60
On January 14 2010 13:08 Gumbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 04:51 Cpadolf wrote:
Jaedong will 3-0 Kal, after which he will go on to win another 8 ZvP's straight and beat Flash's TvT streak... I hope.


YEAH JD WILL OFFRACE AGAINST FLASH AND PWN HIM EVEN HARDER!


That's not what he's saying. Flash has the best matchup streak of 22 straight wins (in TvT). Jaedong is currently on a 12 game streak in a match up (ZvP). If he 3-0s kal he will be at 15 straight wins, and then he said "After which he will go on to win another 8 ZvPs straight" which would be 23 straight wins in ZvP, breaking Flash's winstreak in a specific match up.
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Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
January 14 2010 05:54 GMT
#61
(T)Flash > (Z)Kwanro 3:0 // 3:1
(Z)Jaedong < (P)Kal 2:3
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mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
January 14 2010 06:06 GMT
#62
True the funniest would be if after an epic series with Flash vs Kwanro, JD gets kwanrolled 3-1 in the final.

Though yes this is the setup for something so epic since Flash knocked JD out of the OSL in convincing fashion. If Flash can hold his ground here and deliver another beatdown to JD in the finals, he will surely silence the haters and be considered a true champion. Then he should go ahead and win the gold, platinum and diamond mice. =P So should boxer.
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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2584 Posts
January 14 2010 06:28 GMT
#63
Its hard to see how kwanro actually best Flash in a Bo5... let alone a single match.... 1. Kwanro's late game is untested if he plays standard 2. Flash MnM micro against mutalisks is too awesome for words.... the only way I see flash losing is.... he gets too greedy/getting cheesed/or slightly mis-micros
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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 15:22:34
January 14 2010 06:40 GMT
#64
On January 14 2010 14:07 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 13:08 Gumbo wrote:
On January 14 2010 04:51 Cpadolf wrote:
Jaedong will 3-0 Kal, after which he will go on to win another 8 ZvP's straight and beat Flash's TvT streak... I hope.


YEAH JD WILL OFFRACE AGAINST FLASH AND PWN HIM EVEN HARDER!


That's not what he's saying. Flash has the best matchup streak of 22 straight wins (in TvT). Jaedong is currently on a 12 game streak in a match up (ZvP). If he 3-0s kal he will be at 15 straight wins, and then he said "After which he will go on to win another 8 ZvPs straight" which would be 23 straight wins in ZvP, breaking Flash's winstreak in a specific match up.


Actually, JD is currently on a 13 game streak (according to the Koreans, which is the source used for Flash's streak, as in TLPD it's "only" 15 wins), but Flash's streak was 23 wins, going by the interview with Really. But yeah, that was what I was saying. Although IIRC JD is a pretty mean off-racer, so him beating Flash in TvT would be fine too :p

EDIT: Actually it was 22 after all, so Jaedong only need to 3-0 Kal and then get another 7 wins = ezpz.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
January 14 2010 06:53 GMT
#65
I'm really curious to see whether or not Flash has prepared a mech build on Odd Eye. Judging by Ruby's game against Effort, it doesn't seem like a half bad map for mech play.

Chances are that the series will either be three games or five games due to Flash turning into a major retard whenever he plays on Match Point.
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 07:36:02
January 14 2010 07:34 GMT
#66
On January 14 2010 12:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Flash 3-0 Kwanro
Jaedong 3-1 Goojila
Flash 3-1 Jaedong

My wishes:
Flash 3-1 Kwanro
Jaedong 2-3 Goojila
Flash 3-2 Goojila

That's exactly what i wish too
But i also want Flash vs Jaedong finals...
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BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 08:09:49
January 14 2010 08:09 GMT
#67
I hope to see Kwanrolls when I wake up.
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
January 14 2010 08:15 GMT
#68
As I did for Flash vs. Movie, Flash's expected winning probability against Kwanro, based solely on their Elo ratings, is 70.5%. If you dubiously use their respective vZ and vT Elo ratings, Flash's expected winning probability is 72.5%.

Going by Jaedong and Kal's Elo ratings, Jaedong's expected winning probability is 57%. Using their respective vP and vZ ratings, however, Jaedong's winning probability jumps to 68%.
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ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
January 14 2010 09:19 GMT
#69
Nice article but I think next time you should include 4th and 5th game dummies.
Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
January 14 2010 10:10 GMT
#70
Thanks for the great reports!
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ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 10:34:53
January 14 2010 10:34 GMT
#71
Watching Flash vs Kwanro now, and the predictions couldn't be more wrong in terms of strategies employed.
Bring back 2v2s!
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Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 14 2010 11:47 GMT
#72
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 14 2010 19:34 ComradeDover wrote:
Watching Flash vs Kwanro now, and the predictions couldn't be more wrong in terms of strategies employed.

lol
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9013 Posts
January 14 2010 12:15 GMT
#73
On January 14 2010 11:27 skronch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 11:08 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Please make guardians, Kwanro.

cheap shot. everyone knows guardians are insta-loss

Nice predictions guys.
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
January 14 2010 15:55 GMT
#74
On January 14 2010 14:07 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 13:08 Gumbo wrote:
On January 14 2010 04:51 Cpadolf wrote:
Jaedong will 3-0 Kal, after which he will go on to win another 8 ZvP's straight and beat Flash's TvT streak... I hope.


YEAH JD WILL OFFRACE AGAINST FLASH AND PWN HIM EVEN HARDER!


That's not what he's saying. Flash has the best matchup streak of 22 straight wins (in TvT). Jaedong is currently on a 12 game streak in a match up (ZvP). If he 3-0s kal he will be at 15 straight wins, and then he said "After which he will go on to win another 8 ZvPs straight" which would be 23 straight wins in ZvP, breaking Flash's winstreak in a specific match up.


I was joking. My all caps was a little hint, and the fact that JD should offrace too.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 16:45:40
January 14 2010 16:43 GMT
#75
Is that like a coup de gras?

edit: Apparently 'coup de gras' is some new spelling that is incorrect but popular
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 14 2010 21:06 GMT
#76
jeeeeeeeeeeesus. Kwanro vs Flash were great games.
not sure about his guardian switches thou..
cw)minsean(ru
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 14 2010 21:27 GMT
#77
On January 14 2010 16:34 Jenia6109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 12:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Flash 3-0 Kwanro
Jaedong 3-1 Goojila
Flash 3-1 Jaedong

My wishes:
Flash 3-1 Kwanro
Jaedong 2-3 Goojila
Flash 3-2 Goojila

That's exactly what i wish too
But i also want Flash vs Jaedong finals...


Well I want a Flash vs Goojila finals, so that's why I'm rooting for Goojila over Jaedong. I think it'll be a better series.
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3519 Posts
January 14 2010 22:13 GMT
#78
Hmmm, predicting flash rolls kwanroll and the wizard of oz makes it to the end of the yellow brick road for the most epic finals ever(assuming jd doesnt suck in zvt vs flash like he has been recently).
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dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
January 15 2010 05:54 GMT
#79
On January 14 2010 04:03 SubtleArt wrote:
Btw why is it that zergs like Zero, Hyun (who actually won), and Calm, especially Calm, have been able to challenge Flash so much whereas JD, who's still obviously better, got raped that badly



Well, the first game was not JD like at all. He looked tired from the start and displayed nothing at all. Being tired while playing is nothing new (plenty of other players have tough schedules too) but other players don't build as much of their game // playstyle around mechanics. Mechanics is the first thing to suffer from being tired.

I think JD was more ready to go in the second game, but the map specific cheese flash had ready didn't really give JD a chance. Even if he didn't lose to the bunker rush it would have set him back far enough to not really have a chance.




I expect a BO5 between them to be much more epic.
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ToolBox
Profile Joined May 2009
United States13 Posts
January 15 2010 16:17 GMT
#80
I want to see upsets here, Kwanro vs Kal finals!
sharrkmaster
Profile Joined December 2007
United States4 Posts
January 15 2010 22:29 GMT
#81
+ Show Spoiler +
Umm, sorry, but Flash won.. so impossible..
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
January 15 2010 23:13 GMT
#82
On January 16 2010 01:17 ToolBox wrote:
I want to see upsets here, Kwanro vs Kal finals!



Nottttttttttttttttt
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-16 14:31:41
January 16 2010 14:28 GMT
#83
On January 14 2010 04:03 SubtleArt wrote:
Wow, I just looked at Kwanro's stats lately and he's REALLY REALLY good right now. Last year when he reached the finals I just attributed it to mediocre opponents and a zerg favored map pool. This year he seems like he actually deserves to be there. Should be an entertaining series.

Btw why is it that zergs like Zero, Hyun (who actually won), and Calm, especially Calm, have been able to challenge Flash so much whereas JD, who's still obviously better, got raped that badly

Zero used a new kind of 2 hatch muta (12pool-gas-take-dronesoffgas-double-expo-moremutas) build.
Hyun played really well and his muta micro were topnotch. Also flash forgot (or cutaway) some critical turrets which gave Hyun his super large advantage.
Calm muta microed REALLY DAMNED WELL that game. (It looked like Flash vs Jaedong on Othello GomTV Season 1 final).
And they all 2hatched, Jaedong 3 hatched.
Also, Jaedongs ZvT havent shown it's golden touch of old (now his ZvP is golden ).

And Kwanro's game vs Flash where he won was because Flash didn't scout that Kwanro kept on going with his speedlings (a bit dumb by flash :>)
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