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On July 10 2009 06:50 StorrZerg wrote: i feel sad no one bothers to pm me I'm actually quite jealous of you, considering the idiots in this game that I have to try to work with. | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:49 motbob wrote: If you're not trying to "point" at anybody, why did you make that huge post with clue analysis at the end? So weird I'm trying to figure out the same thing. The easiest answer is that he's an idiot. | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh, when you have someone telling you not to let L become town leader, when his analysis gave us a red. then reread an L post where he has that person bolded, and reread the new day post and see something that weak links combined with the fact he didnt give all of information makes him look slightly fishy. ie its not a guarenteed 100% on lucas atm. I've never seen foolish play before, and Lucas is playing differently than when hes normally red, so either both could be town wanting the other dead, both red pointing fingers, or one red, one town. Do you not understand that L's a complete moron? The whole point of me backing you up is because you are far more competent that he is. So he found a mafia big deal, anyone can find mafia. The point is is that he's an idiot and you're only slightly stupid. | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:59 StorrZerg wrote: Slightly Stupid > idiot i see the logic in that The lack of intelligence in this game makes me angry. Hard to make good metaphors when you're typing out of rage. | ||
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On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: FYI Foolishness has been trying to get me to back off of BC. This leads me to believe either BC and Foolishness are both Mafia, neither are mafia, or BC alone is mafia. I can't see why Foolishness would try to break up a fight between BC and I if he was mafia and BC wasn't. I do think I remember L being suspicious of Foolishness at one point. That's a really good clue that BC has bolded but I continue to be suspicious of some of his actions this game, and I don't think BC can be an innocent while Foolishness is guilty. Saccing to re-establish cred? I dunno, I'm somewhat baffled this game to be honest. I think I have redtooth caught and a bunch of shit happens and I lose focus and that seems to be happening to everyone. Alright I'm going to spell this out for you slowly. I hope you'll understand. Both Pyrry and BC have claimed I have sent them messages telling them to stop accusing the other person. This is very true. Let's try to outline the cases: 1) I am mafia, and one of BC/Pyrry is mafia. This doesn't make much sense, as I'd only send the message to one of them and not both. I would be trying to help get the other person lynched. 2) I am mafia, none of BC/Pyrry are mafia. This makes no sense as I would enjoy laughing on the sidelines watching two innocents kill each other. 3) I am innocent and both BC/Pyrry are innocent. AHA! NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! If I am innocent, and I think both BC and Pyrry are innocent then it's obvious that there is nothing to be gained from BC and Pyrry trying to kill each other. It makes sense that I would try to break it up (and then work with them) in order to try to kill potential mafia. The way I see it, two innocents are trying to get each other killed, this is obviously bad. I have left out a few cases but those are trivial (at least I hope they are). Let's examine what the mafia is doing. I looked up at the town list just recently, and counted the number of people that had not posted at all or had made a small amount of posts. I counted eleven people (obviously, this number is somewhat subjective). Where do you think the mafia are people? Do you think they are in the group of me, redtooth, Lucas, BC, Pyrry, arguing incessently among themselves? Or, are they sitting back in the group of eleven people doing nothing and watching things happen? Should be an obvious answer. THE MAFIA ARE SITTING BACK DOING NOTHING. It's pretty clear that probably none of the mafia members have posted recently. What need is there to post when five of the townspeople are trying to kill each other? This is why I tried to break up the BC/Pyrry fight. It's in no way helping the town. In fact, it's helping the mafia. At this point, let me say something about ecomania. I believe that ecomania is a mafia, as well as a safe lynch today. (Yes I know we got two lynches to work with). As I stated in my previous post, which I'm sure none of you read, ecomania is a contributer to the mass ydg voting that almost got ydg killed over TruthBringer. This was an obvious attempt by the mafia to save TruthBringer, as they were able to tie the vote at one point, and almost succeed in killing ydg. On July 08 2009 00:38 ecomania wrote: I don't get it why there are 3 guys randomly voting to lynch me. Both L's and BC's analysis seemed pretty solid to me, so I chose to abstain first. But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P Or was time for voting already up? I'm getting confused with the time zones... This was an obvious cover up. He didn't want to just change votes without saying anything as that would make him look more suspicious. ecomania has also done a marvelous job of contributing without posting anything useful or helpful to the town. Consider: On July 05 2009 23:08 ecomania wrote: A clue about the priest will be revealed on the first night tho. So if the mafia find out who the priest is, they can pick him off before he has finished reviving MBH and MBH will be silenced even longer. I guess one of the angels should protect the priest, so the revival process won't fail. On July 05 2009 21:57 ecomania wrote: I'm sorry, that I seem so inactive to you, BC. In fact, I tried to contribute something to the thread, but I failed to find any good clues in the day post, nor have I found any leads while googling for the players names/phrases from the day post. I thought it would be kind of unnecessary to just post stuff like "Ye, fog seems pretty good, reduce KP and find out how many pledges there are n stuff". So I just kept reading the thread and submitted my weather/emperor votes. As for why I voted L for emperor, I'm being honest with you that I don't know your playing styles from previous games, but you guys seemed both equally competent. It was actually nothing but this phrase of yours "I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games." that sounded pretty arrogant to me and made me vote for L. I guess I should've just abstained from voting and let people with more experience do the voting. Well, from now on I'll try harder to participate in the clue analysis and bring forth our hunt on the mafia. The second of these came after BC put ecomania on his suspicious list. As we can see, ecomania is clearly dodging everything that's said. His first post merely restates what had already been said numerous times. His second post is his defense on lack of contributing. He finds contributing "unnecessary" so he just "[reads] the thread and submitted [his] weather/emperor votes". He also states he will try to participate and help with clue analysis. You shouldn't need me to tell you that none of that has happened. DONT BE FOOLED BY THE BC AND PYRRY FIGHT. Both of these people are clearly innocent and fighting over nothing. It's obvious that ecomania should be lynched. At the very least, it's much safer to kill ecomania than to try to kill BC or Pyrry. BC and Pyrry are both active contributors (although both are stupid), and we can be nearly certain mafia are sitting back hiding among the inactives. | ||
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On July 10 2009 07:56 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Dude, you didn't kill TB, tb was already gonna die when you changed. Pyrry you're wrong. The vote was tied at 12-12. Then redtooth changed to abstain, putting TB in the lead. | ||
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DONT LISTEN TO PYRRY OR BC! I can help the town win but I think we can all agree both Pyrry and BC cannot. Just ignore whatever they have to say. I tried to work with them and failed miserably, don't suffer the same fate as me. | ||
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On July 10 2009 08:14 redtooth wrote: and you knew exactly how the tiebreaker worked? seriously, how many people in the game knew for sure how that worked? still want to push the idea you "got me in a trap" and that i'm a surefire "idiot pledge"? Just ignore Pyrry. He's an idiot townsperson who's going to help lose the game. Listen to reason not to Pyrry or BC. I have laid out good reasoning on who we should be focusing on. Just ignore Pyrry and BC and let them cry. | ||
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On July 10 2009 08:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: @ redtooth and foolishness: alright maybe, maybe I made a mistake, (and in a sense I didn't because TB was winning the tiebreaker) but I think it's fucked up you're calling me useless with all the effort I'm putting into this. I found TB trying to out the priests, and maybe I'm a bit distracted with BC making shit up and now redtooth trying to kill me as a personal vendetta but I'm still trying to right the ship here. I realize you are trying to make things right, but you're going about it in the worst way possible. BC isn't helping the situation either. | ||
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On July 10 2009 11:18 inertinept wrote: no one really cares if your mafia or village lucaswoj. you deserve to die either way at this point. Don't you think that way of thinking is a bit illogical? | ||
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I wouldn't expect a response from someone who has only made a few posts, most of which were early on in the game. =( | ||
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THE MAFIA ARE HIDING. Look at the player list and count the number of people who have never posted or have only posted a few times. There are quite a few people that fall into this count. Also notice that some of these people have always voted, and some had voted for ydg which almost got ydg lynched over TruthBringer. Among these people are ecomania, kuja900, motbob, and chaoser. Since the vote was close, it would make sense the mafia would try to save TruthBringer. THINK LOGICALLY ABOUT THIS! Does it make sense for mafia to be among: BC, LucasWoJ, Pyrry, ydg, me, redtooth? Or are the mafia inactive and hiding? If BC, Pyrry, Lucas, me, ydg, etc were mafia (or one or a few of us were mafia), it makes no sense for us to be drawing attention to ourselves, especially right now at a crucial point in the game. The mafia are watching us fight over each other. Even if one of us are mafia, we're still active contributers and it doesn't make sense to kill us right now (especially BC since he can double lynch). vote for ecomania and kuja900. Based on the posts by Pyrry and myself this is the safest choice of action. It may turn out that one or maybe both are not mafia. However we will know by watching the votes and seeing if there is a bandwagon for one over the other or for another person altogether, similar how it became apparent ydg was innocent and TruthBringer was mafia. | ||
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On July 11 2009 05:14 Malongo wrote: That was not what I asked you BC stop dodging. You called YDG to be mafia remember? What happens now? you dont think he is mafia anymore? And you call that shit about inerpinept a clue? Townies please read the thread. Please look at the clues our "good clue analist" has provided. The only good clue analysis you made was vx70GTOJudgexv -> BERSERKER -> Rage, hate. And guess what: he was our priest!! Not just that: he posted that the same fucking day the clue came! If you are not mafia you are helping the mafia too much period. Im tired of this: Why is BC mafia? 1- Im sure there was a mafia running for the office. Im pretty sure thats the best thing you can do with the GF why?? Why were you SOOOO interested in getting checked? yeah... I remember reading in the thread that pyrri asked if it was good or not for the GF to run. The answer is simple: Yes. The only important thing you can do with the GF is to break avoc in the office. Obviously with checkable emperor the first thing that would happen is that the emperor is going to get checked. Why wasnt mafia that much afraid of losing GF? Because it has replacement. For them GF is just like another mafia. Now remember L? yeah that guy that you called a moron and was working for the town? Yeah: L: "PRETTY SURE ONE OF THE RUNNERS IS MAFIA". Ehm. L is dead. HEEEELLLLOOOOO!!!! 2- Your CLUES SUCK ASS. Look at that about Pyrri looking for 3:14 and those videos. Look at that shit about inerpinept. You have done nothing 0 shit to help the town with your clues. Inert->petrified? inept->???? that is bullshit man that is not a clue that is missleading really i dont understand how people can buy that. More important than that YOU ARE THE LEADER OF THE TOWN YET HAVE PROPOSED AND VOTED FOR ABOUT 10 Different people: araav?? ydg?? pyrrhuloxia?? Kuja? Inertinept?? I have never seen a WORST OFFICE IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP. 3- Look at all the people that has MADE THE CONECTION IN 1: THEY ARE DEAD. So no fek, L whos next? malongo? so no fek: + Show Spoiler + Another thing to consider would be the "if mafia ran for Emperor, who would it be?". Four people ran (think JeeJee ran jokingly, but never followed up past his post), MBH, L, BC, and HeavOnEarth. MBH is a (dead) confirmed townie. HeavOnEarth pulled out of the race, and supported BC. BC won and became Emperor. L lost. Truthbringer was the first to vote for BC, with no reasoning. He also supported ydg's lynching, not sure off the top of my head if he posted his reasons. L was the one that did the analysis of TruthBringer, which led to us lynching a mafia. At the moment, I personally think that if any of the candidates was mafia, BC would be the strongest suspect, which would put is in a tough situation. The only real evidence against him (if you look at it in a negative light - it could also be positive if it works), is killing MBH. If he's mafia, he gets rid of one of the best players for two days, and gets a decent chance to snipe the priest before MBH is resurrected, and thus out of the game for good. However, it shouldn't be seen in an entirely negative light, because if the plan works, MBH can hopefully guide us. If BC turns red, HeavOnEarth could potentially be mafia. The entirety of his campaign was a bit iffy, such as him bowing out and immediately supporting BC, when he himself stated that it was likely the Godfather was among all the candidates. However, that's not to say he is mafia, and much like BC's case, it's all speculation at this point. He abstained from the lynch vote, which doesn't really help the town, but it doesn't hurt it either. One thing to consider is that ydg could still be mafia, though I personally think he's innocent. If he eventually does flip mafia, then most of the suspicions on BC would be lifted. I suppose we can't entirely dismiss L from being mafia at this point, however, I'd say the chance is less than 5% (had to do it). The only way L could be mafia is if it was a mafia ploy to get us trusting him, and then maybe have blues send their roles and all. Which would only really be an option if MBH doesn't get resurrected. People can still choose to form circles, but a mass list of who is who is dangerous, when there is even any doubt of the person's alignment. Another reason L isn't entirely dismissed is the Gosu message. It's possible the message was coincidental, but I think more likely than not, our enemy is toying with us. Such as saying "we're better than you - we can waste a full night's kills and still win the game". In BC's game, L also managed to get away with a lot as mafia (Ver is godfather). However, I think that putting one of your own up on the chopping block AND playing alphabet soup would be pushing it too far. I'm not saying that any of the candidates are mafia, however, if any of them are, I'd say L is the safest bet for being a townie. Dont get fooled townies Lynch BC TODAY HE HAS TROLLED ALL THE GAME And vote Rain too. Thanks. I think you should calm down a bit. I feel your pain but posts like this don't help the town (I'm guilty of doing the same thing earlier today). I suggest you go read the majority of my recent posts as they have more logic and reasoning behind them than anything else said so far (save Pyrry's post against Kuja). | ||
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On July 11 2009 11:01 Falcynn wrote: After all of this...I kind of, in an odd sort of way, hope I get lynched just to see how Pyrr tries to defend himself when I don't turn up red, because honestly, with the way you're pressing for everyone to go out of their way to come after me, you'd look pretty suspicious once I'm proven innocent. That's a terrible way of thinking. As well as very suspicious. | ||
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On July 11 2009 13:10 Bockit wrote: For those that say, "BC is the emperor and the town needs leadership" WHAT LEADERSHIP? The man has just sat there, thrown a whole bunch of names into the thread and laughed. For those that say, "We shouldn't kill our emperor because the double lynches are too important" Take a look at the voting thread, and tell me that the double lynches are helping us out. Yeah that's right, they're not. They need direction to be effective and anyone that initiates a double lynch without the town having direction, or without the intent of giving that direction is either mafia or a townie that is as good as a mafia and should die. Lynch BloodyCobbler So we have to pick a second target for lynch because our friendly neighbourhood emperor decided to initiate a double lynch when we had no direction. At this stage for me, I don't know who to pick for a second vote, there are just way too many people acting up in the thread and I need to reread the past 10 pages. I'll be putting my second vote on BC though because he needs to die and I want to make sure this happens. If you actually go back and read the thread and read the IMPORTANT posts, you will actually see there is a lot of direction to go by. People like you just refuse to read it and comprehend what is actually going on. Instead you focus all your attention on the emperor, and think he should be leading the town. HERES SOME NEWS FOR YOU! WE ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD MAFIA CANDIDATES! Read anything I've posted or that Pyrry has recently posted. If you want I can spell things out for you since I'm sure you didn't do anything more than skim. It's actually really good we have a double lynch today, EXCEPT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THROWING OFF THE VOTING. It is true that there were some very horrendous arguments among the town earlier. But all that is gone now. Since BC has hardly posted anything recently (although what he has posted has been nice contribution), it's very clear THAT YOU CAN JUST IGNORE HIM! JUST BECAUSE BC IS THE EMPEROR DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIM! A few townspeople (most notably you and Malongo) think we need to kill BC since he has not done anything worthwhile recently. Well there are plenty of other people who have not done anything recently, and there's a much greater chance that they are mafia. I admit that BC pisses me off as well, but the truth is, is that he is not harming the town right now. We actually have good suspects to be lynching, but everybody is tossing around the votes so the good candidates actually get covered up. This includes you. Let me sum it up for you, because it's obvious that you don't actually read all the posts in the thread. BC IS EMPEROR AND SHOULD NOT BE KILLED BECAUSE HES USELESS AND THERE ARE MUCH BETTER CANDIDATES! LISTEN TO PYRRY AND ME I'm just going to go ahead and assume you're going to attack me with, "If he's useless we should just kill him!" because it seems to me you like to make illogical arguments. The point of this game is to kill mafia, not useless people. | ||
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You're reasoning against BC is more along the lines of "He hasn't helped the town as emperor (or he has not been a good leader), therefore he should be killed" My reasoning (as well as Pyrry's) for wanting to lynch people such as ecomania, kuja900, chaoser, is "These people have high possibility of being linked to clues and have strange behaviors as well as voting patterns, therefore they should be killed" You're logic is pretty much a "strawman", good work. And you did not give any good details about why BC should be killed except saying the "1 candidate must be mafia" (which I might add is a bad assumption when there were 3 candidates), and that "everybody who's called him out has been dead". If you were mafia (hypothetically speaking) you would lynch people calling out BC to get the town to turn against him. Outside of this and your 3rd reason of the ydg bandwagon, all you do is refer to Malongo's post instead of providing any of your own opinions on why you think he's mafia. As a side note, the reason I left out part of your post was so that it wouldn't make my post ridiculously long, although I was trying to focus on the one part, I was considering everything you said. | ||
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On July 11 2009 13:53 Scaramanga wrote: Pyrr this game is fucked because everyone is just acusing everyone with shitastic clues, none of the acusations from ANYONE are even HALF sound, none at all Mine are, Pyrry's are. Ours actually include behavior analysis and voting patterns. | ||
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On July 11 2009 13:52 Bockit wrote: And to prove that I have actually read the whole thread, let's go back a few pages shall we? I found this part of your post quite amusing: And a couple of pages ago, what did you say? You are oh so consistent good sir. EDIT: Tags. How about you read something more recent. Pyrry was being an idiot earlier (and I was as well), but we've calmed down and are trying to steer the town in the right direction. You're doing a good job preventing us from doing so. | ||
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