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On May 21 2009 13:00 dreamflower wrote:
All right, fine. I'm finally going to roleclaim, because I'm tired of hearing people suggesting that I should be lynched one second and then coming up with plans involving the vigi hit the next. It's been amusing, but also incredibly stressful, and I feel I could be doing not only the town but also myself some good by doing this.
I'm the one vigilante in this game.
This is why I've been quieter than usual this game, though I doubt it would necessarily have been noticeable for most. It's why I've avoided the spotlight and tried to post only when I had something truly substantial to share or when I wanted to defend myself so that I could carry out my role. Ver did correctly guess my color, but not its exact, shall we say, flavor. But then, there are twice as many medics and detectives as there are vigilantes in this game, after all.
Now, why should you believe me? Well, it would be highly risky for Mafia to ever roleclaim vigilante, even in ordinary circumstances when there are more than one. In this game, when there's only one vigilante, it becomes even more dangerous, even for the godfather. They can't run the risk of having their clues repeat, as the vigilante has only one hit and which clues show up in the Day posts aren't under their control. It's true that Mafia can kill their own members this round, but I don't think they'd want to chance that, with only six members this game. So, I'd really like to see if Mafia tries to roleclaim vigilante as well, as I'm the legitimate vigilante and they, well, would just make themselves targets.
asdf i don't think you needed to do this at all
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Dreamflower. You will vig hit whomever is not killed tonight. If you don't, I am going to bring this town straight down on your ass tomorrow as planned. You will do this because roleclaiming will have you 100% killed, so its really not an issue either way.
If there is an extra hit tonight which corresponds with you, done. Problem solved. If not we proceed with tomorrow's double hit.
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On May 21 2009 12:43 Caller wrote:
Ace if you're going to be that passionate about it, I'll make a deal with you. Convince me why I should vote for Ver over you. And none of that bullshit anti-L argument.
I dont know if Ace is or not mafia. I know FACTS:
a Ver lies or plays stupidly by going on first as veteran in election. Ver is not stupid => Ver lies.
Lets look at the setup: 3 KP mafia. 2 Veterans. 2 Bodyguards. Gain from mayor 2 uncertain votes, gain for pardoner preventing mafia from going in office. Now the question is: why in his good play would a veteran go in office when he knows that mafia is less likely to send more than 1 hit per player the first days? (this is confirmed by the first day btw). The answer is simple: you dont. Math guy should be smart enough to realize that making mafia guess about a missed hit on a veteran or medic protection is far better than getting your ass in the office.
b Ver lynches a random guy when mayor. Infinity was almost inactive and he gave us absolutely 0 info from his lynch. He could have lynched Nemy. He could have lynched showtime!, Mynock or a more suspicious guy.
c Lucaswoj incident. If Lucaswoj leaked his role its a lot more likely that he leaked to Ver than Ace.
d Ver plays non straight in pms with ME. He plays the dumb card that he doesnt know who is a better second option for mayorals and suspects Ace and Mynock, then tells me Ace is clean but i should vote Showtime!. Quite strange for a guy known for his behaviorals analisis. In my analisis he always supported the guy less voted. Why? My theory is simple: he is the traitor, he didnt knew who was mafia but supporting the less voted guy he assured a better chance to mafia to get the second place.
e Activity = random. What has ver posted significally all game previous his last post? Ding Dong, remember Ver 2 games ago? Far more active, got a mafia first day.
All this tells us that Ver is not playing "smart". Last game i made the big mistake of not calling out qatol for playing bad as mayor. I wont do it twice. Lynch VER. Ace can be mafia as much as he wants, but at least he is playing the bulldog card again so he can be actually townie.
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On May 21 2009 13:01 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 13:00 dreamflower wrote:
All right, fine. I'm finally going to roleclaim, because I'm tired of hearing people suggesting that I should be lynched one second and then coming up with plans involving the vigi hit the next. It's been amusing, but also incredibly stressful, and I feel I could be doing not only the town but also myself some good by doing this.
I'm the one vigilante in this game.
This is why I've been quieter than usual this game, though I doubt it would necessarily have been noticeable for most. It's why I've avoided the spotlight and tried to post only when I had something truly substantial to share or when I wanted to defend myself so that I could carry out my role. Ver did correctly guess my color, but not its exact, shall we say, flavor. But then, there are twice as many medics and detectives as there are vigilantes in this game, after all.
Now, why should you believe me? Well, it would be highly risky for Mafia to ever roleclaim vigilante, even in ordinary circumstances when there are more than one. In this game, when there's only one vigilante, it becomes even more dangerous, even for the godfather. They can't run the risk of having their clues repeat, as the vigilante has only one hit and which clues show up in the Day posts aren't under their control. It's true that Mafia can kill their own members this round, but I don't think they'd want to chance that, with only six members this game. So, I'd really like to see if Mafia tries to roleclaim vigilante as well, as I'm the legitimate vigilante and they, well, would just make themselves targets.
asdf i don't think you needed to do this at all
seconded...
if you really are vigi, then who are you going to hit tonight? You might as well tell us.
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By destructive force on the game I'm guessing it means he will leak the mafia list. Which probably means that he is red and if he isn't lynched he won't actually ask to be modkilled. Which is why Qatol is now emphasizing that fact? In that case...vigi it Ver? Lynch Ver?
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On May 21 2009 13:02 L wrote:
Dreamflower. You will vig hit whomever is not killed tonight. If you don't, I am going to bring this town straight down on your ass tomorrow as planned. You will do this because roleclaiming will have you 100% killed, so its really not an issue either way.
If there is an extra hit tonight which corresponds with you, done. Problem solved. If not we proceed with tomorrow's double hit.
Ver gets modkilled. Have dreamflower if she's legit just end BCs miserable stay in this town, or Incog because he's a gump.
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Sydney2287 Posts
Please don't tell me people are believing that ver is a VETERAN mayor?
Ugh I'm trying to catch up on the thread since going to lunch before lynch time and I am amazed at the bandwagon that mafia are trying to form here.
Mafia are starting a massive bandwagon against Ace to save Ver. They've timed it so it happens right before voting closes to try and prevent town from stopping it
DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.
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Sydney2287 Posts
L if you wanted proof that Ace is innocent, I think this rush of votes from highly suspected mafia players is proof enough. Stop letting the fact that he disagrees with you bias your judgement on his innocence.
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On May 21 2009 13:05 Bockit wrote:
Please don't tell me people are believing that ver is a VETERAN mayor?
Ugh I'm trying to catch up on the thread since going to lunch before lynch time and I am amazed at the bandwagon that mafia are trying to form here.
Mafia are starting a massive bandwagon against Ace to save Ver. They've timed it so it happens right before voting closes to try and prevent town from stopping it
DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.
At least one guy can read me or agree with me.
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On May 21 2009 13:02 L wrote:
Dreamflower. You will vig hit whomever is not killed tonight. If you don't, I am going to bring this town straight down on your ass tomorrow as planned. You will do this because roleclaiming will have you 100% killed, so its really not an issue either way.
If there is an extra hit tonight which corresponds with you, done. Problem solved. If not we proceed with tomorrow's double hit.
What if Ace gets lynched, so she vigi's Ver, who happened to not be bullshitting about being a vet?
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On May 21 2009 13:03 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 13:02 L wrote:
Dreamflower. You will vig hit whomever is not killed tonight. If you don't, I am going to bring this town straight down on your ass tomorrow as planned. You will do this because roleclaiming will have you 100% killed, so its really not an issue either way.
If there is an extra hit tonight which corresponds with you, done. Problem solved. If not we proceed with tomorrow's double hit. Ver gets modkilled. Have dreamflower if she's legit just end BCs miserable stay in this town, or Incog because he's a gump.
I don't know if we can assume Ver will ask for a modkill if he's mafia. Better to just laugh at us and absorb another lynch, or msg Qatol on msn and go "lol i lied ^_^" or some shit.
Does my caution seem reasonable here? I haven't fully analysed the entire modkill business yet, so opinions are helpful.
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ebwop: that's assuming of course that Ver is not modkilled
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Vote count:
nemY - 0
Ace
Ver - 10
Ace <-- from nemY
Camlito
Scaramanga
Mynock
Bockit
0cz3c <-- from Ace
Bockit <-- from Ace
fusionsdf <-- from dreamflower
MTF
RebirthOfLeGenD <-- from Abstain
Scamp
HeavOnEarth <-- from Plexa
Malongo <-- from Plexa
vivi57
Caller
BloodyC0bbler - 0
Incognito
Plexa - 1
Malongo
BloodyC0bbler <-- from Malongo
HeavOnEarth
Showtime!
dreamflower - 1
Camlito <-- from Ver
fusionsdf
Malongo - 0
BloodyC0bbler
Ace - 10
Caller
0cz3c
L
nemY
dreamflower
Amber[Light]
Bockit <-- from Ver
Plexa
BloodyC0bbler <-- from Plexa
Scaramanga <-- from Ver
Ver
Ver
Ver
Caller <-- from MTF
RebirthOfLeGenD
Incognito <-- from BloodyC0bbler
MTF - 0
Caller <-- from Ace
Abstain - 1
RebirthOfLeGenD
MrBabyHands
Caller <-- from Ace
Total - 24 + 2 extra
Ace - 12
Ver - 11
Plexa - 1
dreamflower - 1
Abstain - 1
Double Lynch - 15/13 needed
Scaramanga
L
fusionsdf
nemY
BloodyC0bbler
dreamflower
Bockit
Malongo
Plexa
RebirthOfLeGenD
MTF
Ver
Ver
Ver
Ace
Non-voters - 2
infundibulum
Tricode
Voting closes in 20 minutes
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On May 21 2009 13:07 Bockit wrote:
L if you wanted proof that Ace is innocent, I think this rush of votes from highly suspected mafia players is proof enough. Stop letting the fact that he disagrees with you bias your judgement on his innocence.
It isn't proof.
I would throw up 1-2 people after some legit players tipped the voting too.
Either way, look at the RESULT.
I DONT KNOW ACE IS INNOCENT. NEITHER DO YOU. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.
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On May 21 2009 13:07 Bockit wrote:
L if you wanted proof that Ace is innocent, I think this rush of votes from highly suspected mafia players is proof enough. Stop letting the fact that he disagrees with you bias your judgement on his innocence.
I don't think L really cares if Ace is innocent or not. He only cares that he's in the Pardoner position and that people voted for him.
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On May 21 2009 13:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 13:02 L wrote:
Dreamflower. You will vig hit whomever is not killed tonight. If you don't, I am going to bring this town straight down on your ass tomorrow as planned. You will do this because roleclaiming will have you 100% killed, so its really not an issue either way.
If there is an extra hit tonight which corresponds with you, done. Problem solved. If not we proceed with tomorrow's double hit. What if Ace gets lynched, so she vigi's Ver, who happened to not be bullshitting about being a vet?
I thought Ver was going to be Modkilled (LOL!) in case we lynch Ace. Dreamflower should be waiting After the modkill. And we should demand that Ver gets modkilled before day to choose a target.
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Check it - infundibulum and RoL just zerg rushed too.
Take dreamflower off my list until another person claims Vigi. With 6 players Mafia won't want to or hope that an inactive Vigi was the case.
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS - clear the Vigi issue first. Once thats done, go back to voting list of zerg rushers. Your FIRST suspect should be BC, second should be RebirthofLegend and Incognito.
Then and only then shall you move on to nemy. Don't drop the fucking ball on this.
Medic - of all people not to protect tonight DO NOT protect anyone that voted to have me lynched. DO NOT FUCK THIS UP. There should only be ONE person on that list you should even be thinking about protecting and it's so fucking obvious I wont even say it.
Last but not least, READ my posts. There are tons of little hints in them.
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Sydney2287 Posts
Qatol has posted himself that there is no deal. Stop voting and saying that your reasoning is that there is one.
Ver is saying that he will ask Qatol to modkill him if he doesn't flip. Qatol has said that he would modkill him if he asks. NOT THAT THERE WAS A DEAL. STOP ACTING LIKE THERE IS ONE.
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On May 21 2009 13:02 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 13:01 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On May 21 2009 13:00 dreamflower wrote:
All right, fine. I'm finally going to roleclaim, because I'm tired of hearing people suggesting that I should be lynched one second and then coming up with plans involving the vigi hit the next. It's been amusing, but also incredibly stressful, and I feel I could be doing not only the town but also myself some good by doing this.
I'm the one vigilante in this game.
This is why I've been quieter than usual this game, though I doubt it would necessarily have been noticeable for most. It's why I've avoided the spotlight and tried to post only when I had something truly substantial to share or when I wanted to defend myself so that I could carry out my role. Ver did correctly guess my color, but not its exact, shall we say, flavor. But then, there are twice as many medics and detectives as there are vigilantes in this game, after all.
Now, why should you believe me? Well, it would be highly risky for Mafia to ever roleclaim vigilante, even in ordinary circumstances when there are more than one. In this game, when there's only one vigilante, it becomes even more dangerous, even for the godfather. They can't run the risk of having their clues repeat, as the vigilante has only one hit and which clues show up in the Day posts aren't under their control. It's true that Mafia can kill their own members this round, but I don't think they'd want to chance that, with only six members this game. So, I'd really like to see if Mafia tries to roleclaim vigilante as well, as I'm the legitimate vigilante and they, well, would just make themselves targets.
asdf i don't think you needed to do this at all seconded... if you really are vigi, then who are you going to hit tonight? You might as well tell us.
I'm letting this be up for debate after the lynch. I have some ideas on who I'd like to hit, but I'm open to suggestions as well.
Part of the reason why I did this was because I didn't want to waste my hit by getting lynched too soon. I admit that's definitely not a concern now, after Ver's post. In addition, this will likely help make clue analysis easier, as well as giving the town a confirmed innocent should I survive after my hit.
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BTW I JUST BET 10 BUCKS THAT L IS MAFIA: PAY IN FULLTILT (JUST GREEN PLAYERS PLEASE)
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