EPTIn a vet game, It's no longer a game of rush for mayor for a) bg protection (although nice perk) b) its placing yourself where you think your strengths would be best. I don't think the mayor spot would be done justice by me.
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
In a vet game, It's no longer a game of rush for mayor for a) bg protection (although nice perk) b) its placing yourself where you think your strengths would be best. I don't think the mayor spot would be done justice by me. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
That said, the primary asset of the pardoner position for the town is having it to prevent mafia from using it. The fact that BC claims he wants to use it seems like poor play on his part. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On May 16 2009 16:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I would agree with you normally caller that it is weird. But i would make a shite mayor. You would make a better mayor than i would, and i would argue better than Ver. I believe Ver would make a better pardoner than mayor, etc... In a vet game, It's no longer a game of rush for mayor for a) bg protection (although nice perk) b) its placing yourself where you think your strengths would be best. I don't think the mayor spot would be done justice by me. wat lol i'm a terrible mayor remember what happened last time i was mayor? ^_^ | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Realistically though, I figure you at serious level of playing as a mayor would outdo mine, or a pardoner level would be my better strongsuit. If plexa, cam, or mtf would like a slot in the mayoral/pardoner I would be more than happy to let them get it. I honestly believe a behavioural analyzer and a clue analyzer should be mayor/pardoner, it gives town potentially two of their best people protected from mafia hits. As mafia will undoubtedly hit players who are known for organizing town in some way. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
If one of the mafia's best players takes the spot we'd be in even more shit because they would likely have enough sway to get both day 1 and 2 votes. Judging by posting activity here compared to people who are signed up outside of the thread, its fairly obvious a number of people are active in PMs at the moment. There are also, by the statistics, 2 mafia posting in this current discussion. Mafia are going to be far more enticed by the option of a second place runner up prize than in non-pardoner games. ESPECIALLY since we have such low numbers and such a limited day count. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
So far we have Ver, Caller, and BC running for spots. BC has already voted for Ver and Ver has voted for Caller. It appears fishy to me for these people to have already voted for each other. BC's kind of makes sense since he's apparently trying to get second (which is also suspicious as others have pointed out) but I don't think there's anything too major here. Just something to consider for the future. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
It's time for change! I'm obviously one of the best candidates. If people would only listen we wouldn't have gotten ourselves in as big a mess as last game. It is my priority to be more active this game than the last. I hope Qatol will make the proper announcements before posting the Day/Night posts. With that in mind, here are my qualifications once again: - Good Instincts/Impulses: I can read people well based on several variables. I'm constantly assessing situations. - Puppet Master: good leadership. I've set several traps for the mafia and town alike. - Instrumental Player: other players will vouch for me and with bodyguard aid it's already an uphill battle for the Mafia. - Good Intel/Informant (detectives will be able to verify this shortly) - Good Entertainer: I will make this fun. Why not? - I'm difficult to read and I think outside of the box. I may or may not always be direct. For example, the way I called out SOG. This can be verified with him. I didn't send anything to Caller once I was dead, but I did send one to SOG asking him if he was going for MVP  Anyway, a Mayor role would allow me to be more direct with the added protection.Little aside: Everyone has a few tells, but I know how to keep people on their toes. However, I get right to the point. You won't have to read long posts from me. - Normally I play on a need to know basis. In other words, I will only share info that is confirmed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Look, I have great intuition. I've taken several courses on the Mystery Novel and I've watched/participated in a fair share of murder mysteries/who dun it's. Hell, I even walked in on the guy getting into his ape costume as me and my brother were snooping around the premise, "GOT YA!" I'm one of the best assets this town has. If I don't get proper protection then all would be lost. You won't have my skills to use. Let's be smart about this! EDIT for grammar and styling. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8091 Posts
On May 16 2009 16:52 Scamp wrote: People keep mentioning that this is a veteran's game and it's making me nervous because it increases the pressure. What if the people in Pyrr's (mostly) newbie game play way better than we do? How embarrassing would that be? So far we have Ver, Caller, and BC running for spots. BC has already voted for Ver and Ver has voted for Caller. It appears fishy to me for these people to have already voted for each other. BC's kind of makes sense since he's apparently trying to get second (which is also suspicious as others have pointed out) but I don't think there's anything too major here. Just something to consider for the future. What dose it matter how the other game plays out and how do you measure it anyway Ver imo would make a good mayor, | ||
Mynock
4492 Posts
I'm announcing my candidacy for office. Either a mayoral or a pardoner spot would do fine. Some people pointed out that running for second is suspicious, but I disagree, and I'm proving it by openly stating so. It's not suspicious at all. It's almost the same position with a few differences, most of them being psychological. First off, the Mayor gets tons more PMs. People tend to communicate with the figurehead more, because they believe that's the most direct approach. It possibly stems from real life experience, where it's all about the PM and not the vice-PM. If you think it through however, it's quite obvious that both Mayor and Pardoner are in the same place, it's just that their abilities are slightly different. So running for either is basically the same, especially if the Town keeps in mind, that it IS THE SAME (as opposed to assuming that Pardoner is somehow "hiding" or staying in the back or whatever). Now onto my reasons to run. To put it simply, I want to play a bit longer. I tend to be targeted early on, and it's no fun going out too soon. Also, I'm green again, so I figured I'll have to snatch a role myself, if Qatol is so greedy with them. Third, I have never been in office before, and it's about time that I did But the most important thing is, look at the previous game. Even tho I had good guesses and insight and made some good role-spotting, it was ultimately all in vain, as I had no trust from the Town. The Town was absolutely disorganized, and was led in a way that I disagree with. This brings me to my own policies. I disagree with the way of leading the Town which Showtime! has outlined. The game is not about 1-2 players moving behind everyone's back. The Town needs to know all the information (except that which could be used by the Mafia), and that's exactly my policy. Complete transparency. Starting from "need to know" and disclosing information in rare cases is exactly the opposite of that. A good Mayor will want to share as much info as possible, and only if they think it might hurt the Town more than help it, will they resort to a "need to know" basis. About the use of the Pardoner: I absolutely think the role should be used. If only on the first lynch even. Unless there is a very good candidate for the first lynch, I think they should be pardoned. Usually there just isn't enough information about anyone to warrant such a quick lynch. With that in mind, I believe the best people for office are those with the best behavioural-analysis powers. The longer such people can stay alive, and the longer they can provide insight and promote activity, the better for the Town. Ver obviously comes to mind, as well as Ace, but he's not running (which already makes him a tad bit suspicious to me, since his was the first post, so he's obviously active). As for Caller and BC: I think when comparing them to Ver they lack in the qualities I suggested - I'm a strong proponent of behavioural analysis over clue analysis, so I'd rather go with someone who's like-minded there. Personally I will vote for Ver (for the time being), as I believe that with a little communication it will be easy for both of us to figure out where we stand. If he's Town, he can make it rather easy for me to read, if he's Mafia, I feel that I'll be able to sense that soon as well. So that's it basically, I encourage you to try me out in office, and gl hf all | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
On May 16 2009 21:29 Mynock wrote: This brings me to my own policies. I disagree with the way of leading the Town which Showtime! has outlined. The game is not about 1-2 players moving behind everyone's back. The Town needs to know all the information (except that which could be used by the Mafia), and that's exactly my policy. Complete transparency. Starting from "need to know" and disclosing information in rare cases is exactly the opposite of that. A good Mayor will want to share as much info as possible, and only if they think it might hurt the Town more than help it, will they resort to a "need to know" basis. So that's it basically, I encourage you to try me out in office, and gl hf all Predictable as always Mynock! Where did I ever say that's the way I would lead the town? My post addresses two things: - I'm running for Mayor - skills I've used in previous TL Mafia games. In other words, it doesn't address my platform. As Mayor, I will be able to micro-manage our assets accordingly and transparency is the ultimate sacrifice someone has to make in that role. It is detrimental to a Town victory. I'm very familar with the role. I have no intention relying on 1-2 players at all. I always switch up strategies, regardless of role. Mayors have to share everything they got. It forces me to keep no Aces in the hole. | ||
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Mynock
4492 Posts
On May 16 2009 22:03 Showtime! wrote: Predictable as always Mynock! Where did I ever say that's the way I would lead the town? My post addresses two things: - I'm running for Mayor - skills I've used in previous TL Mafia games. In other words, it doesn't address my platform. As Mayor, I will be able to micro-manage our assets accordingly and transparency is the ultimate sacrifice someone has to make in that role. It is detrimental to a Town victory. I'm very familar with the role. I have no intention relying on 1-2 players at all. I always switch up strategies, regardless of role. Mayors have to share everything they got. It forces me to keep no Aces in the hole. You say: Why not? ... - Normally I play on a need to know basis. In other words, I will only share info that is confirmed. You also played like this back in Ace's Mafia World IIRC when u were in the inner Town circle. Most people were just annoyed by irrational calling-outs and no info caused by that play-style, I've pointed it out back then as well. Unless you can suddenly turn your style around, I don't think it's a good way to lead the Town. It really isn't anything against you, it's just that I said it so many times: the way you play causes a LOT of confusion, and it's just not good for Town. I'm already confused as to why you contradict yourself in your previous post :/ Btw, I really think you make good insights, but I also feel that you fail to realise them due to a sloppy way of playing. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
There's a reason behind everything. To the naked eye some of the stuff I do might look sloppy, but I assure you there is a rational explanation for what I do. I was going to make a blog about my posting behaviour between every game so players could get further insight into what I was thinking and how I pulled other players strings. Then I realized it would take far too long unless I kept an up-to-date dairy of every move I made. Make no mistake, in a Mayor role there will be no confusion. As I mentioned before, the last post was with regards to my skills I used from previous games. My strengths far outweigh any weakness I may have. Plus the Pardoner is there for a reason. Heck you even said it yourself. | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
On May 16 2009 13:51 Ver wrote: I am running for office! Qualifications: read the past 5 games. Reasons: I don't feel like dying first night again. Mafia know how much of a threat I am regardless of role. Furthermore, I have absolutely no trust in medics to keep me alive after everyone second guessed protting me the last time I was town while one doofus protted the guy I had declared mafia. I don't have anything to say about accountability because I'll make it glaringly obvious that I'm on the town's side. Because being mafia takes so much time I only make the minimum number of posts; when I'm town it's the exact opposite. Mafia will no doubt wish to discredit or ignore me but that will only lead them to their ruin quicker. During the (only?) game in which you died in the first night, were you not part of the mafia? | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
On May 16 2009 14:08 Malongo wrote: If plexa is mafia caller is too. From past experience, I say "Don't listen to malongo in the least bit until the night right before either side wins." Let's do that this time around. Out of curiosity (and I haven't read the posts below yours yet: I'm just responding as I go), why Caller? | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
I would have to agree that Showtime!'s playing style tends to irritate and confuse me as well, and that a mayoral position may not be the best way to go. For me, it's a toss-up between Mynock and BC. Ver has a good number of votes as it stands, and I honestly believe that the pardoner position is more important to get "correct". (i.e. no mafia) As mentioned, the request to be pardoner is a tad off in terms of judgment on BC's part, and simply doesn't fit how he usually posts (I'm pretty sure he would think that it would cause suspicion). That said, my vote goes on Mynock for now. | ||
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On May 16 2009 23:44 LucasWoJ wrote: From past experience, I say "Don't listen to malongo in the least bit until the night right before either side wins." Let's do that this time around. Out of curiosity (and I haven't read the posts below yours yet: I'm just responding as I go), why Caller? If you dont want to listen my posts then dont pm me my buddy. That makes you fishy as hell. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
I don't see what some of you are getting at. I made similar moves in two mafia games and that's it. I alternate my strategy from game to game and role to role. There are two miscues that I can think of off the top of my head. - Not PMing Amber[Light]. Intuition told me he was hitting me and I didn't do anything about it. Damn Zombies. - Telling Qatol my role. I knew the Town was fucked to begin with. From SOG's posting behavior to Ver's 'inactivity' (add me to your MSN douche), etc. Either way, like I said it didn't matter. In every game I die off faster to Ver and my information gets lost. Do we really want this to happen again? As of right now, none of the candidates look promising especially those saying, "Hey, I'm fine with number 2!" You should avoid any fishy business because that will get the Town nowhere. We don't want deja vu with a Ver bandwagon train. I'll hold off from voting for now. | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
On May 17 2009 00:42 Malongo wrote: If you dont want to listen my posts then dont pm me my buddy. That makes you fishy as hell. Read my PM. Makes perfect sense why I PM'd you and I, nor anyone else, will not listen to you on the forums. lol | ||
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