EPTWhen does voting end? An hour? Two? Less?
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When does voting end? An hour? Two? Less? | ||
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Since I promised transparency, here is why: I have been supporting either Ver or Ace (didn't really matter to me, they both seemed legit enough, and both tend to think in a similar fashion), however Ver's last posts made me raise my eyebrows. Also, he pretty much accuses me of being Mafia flat-out, which isn't a good ground for cooperation in office. Since I don't have enough time to stick around, I think I should pull my vote now. Then why Ace, why not abstain or someone else? Voting for anybody else besides Ver and nemY ATM is the same as abstaining, as the votes they have aren't enough to matter. However, I wouldn't like nemY in office either (I'll stay consistent on this one as I think this is important), so then it should be Ace, as he has the highest chances (besides Ver) to compete with nemY. This is the logical part, and obviously there's a less rational, more emotional one: I know Ace a bit more than the others here, and so far there's nothing alarming for me. We might seem buddy-buddy, but in this case I don't think it's that bad at all. We play DotA together, we play Mafia together, our approaches seem to coincide often, so for now Ace will get my trust. In case I am elected Mayor, I will opt to lynch nemY. Why not Ver? In case he doesn't get into office it doesn't warrant losing a good player if indeed he is innocent. He is also in the runners list which will be checked anyway (ASAP preferably), so he'll be lit soon. I'm off to bed, I might only be able to check this thread tomorrow from work, so it will be around 12-14 hrs from now. | ||
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Ver is Mafia, this is obvious (maybe Traitor, maybe). I wish I posted this as soon as I saw his post-election message. I was expecting exactly 3 blues to die tonight, altho I didnt expect them to be BGs. Why? Because Ver told us so. He said the Mafia will probably go out sniping blues, so that ONCE that happens, he can come out and say "see, told ya". Which is exactly what he did. Also, something else, the long Night, Qatol waiting for hits? Ver was waiting for the two BGs to roleclaim to him (and I agree with Ace here, I doubt they even READ the rules, and knew they were unknown to the elects), after which he put the kills on them. This is why I think hes more likely Mafia than Traitor. Yet another point, Vers defense right now is shit. All he does is he tries to avoid any issues Ace brings up, and tries to shift the blame on others (me in particular, as hes done it before). Ver is basically trying to play the same card as last game (which he also admitted, he didnt target me because I was a suspect), and derail the suspicion from him. One more thing to note: Ver is also more likely Mafia because of the voting patterns. He is the only candidate in the bunch who never actually lacked in votes. He is the one candidate who ran ASAP and posted maybe 1-2 posts throughout the whole thing. In his spare time he was busy arranging things with his Mafia buddies. Theres more, but I tried to keep it brief, and this foreign keyboard is killing me  Summary: Lynch Ver now, dont repeat the mistake of the previous game. | ||
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BC, you're fishy as fuck. You know, syringes and Showtime!... What? Google showtime and go to the third link on the 2nd Google hit (oh, Google suggest a correction, so press that obv) and scroll down to the third picture from the left and you'll see a syringe in the background? I didn't even bother looking up any of that. You know what the whole BLOODY ordeal reminded me of? A BLOODY COBBLER if anything. But I don't rely on riddles to try to find any connections here. I just look at how you post and what you do. And you're trying to post retarded links out of nowhere. L follows suit because he has a Pardoner fetish and has to somehow deal with his raging hard-on which he had ever since the elections started (has L ever made a post where the word "pardon" appears less than 38 times?) I found a flaw in my arguments. I'm being too calm and focused here. I have to change that, because people won't understand my points otherwise. I have to do it like Ace, so here goes... FUCKING LOOK AT VER IDIOTS! What's he doing now? SHIT ALL. The same thing he did last game when he was mafia as well. If we don't lynch Ver tonight I'm gonna fucking PM EVERY GODDAMN Townie after the game, telling them how THEY SUCK and should never ever play a game of Mafia again. 20 PMS AT LEAST! Maybe more... IF YOU DARE GET DIVERTED FROM YOUR FUCKING MAFIA MAYOR JUST LIKE YOU DID LAST GAME, I WILL FUCKING GO TO YOUR HOUSE AND MURDER YOU! So, let me get this clear now... Townies vote Ver. If you're a Townie you know you vote Ver. If you're scum, or a paranoid delusional maniac with a Pardoner-fetish you vote whatever else comes to your mind, and we'll deal with that later. IF VER ISNT MAFIA (or traitor), LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY. If I'm wrong on this one, call me stupid, call me retarded, call me whatever, I'll deserve it. | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:16 L wrote: Also, Mynock, start posting more. Hope you liked that. | ||
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I don't even care if Ver is Mafia or not. This Mayor does shit all and causes confusion. Good riddance. | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:35 L wrote: Are you fucking retarded? Do you even read? VOTE ACE. if we don't VIG HIT HIM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Both people in office need to be killed so we can examine how the election went. EVERY game that a mafia is elected, he is ALWAYS supported by his friends. I don't even care if one or the other is innocent as long as BOTH die and we get the information we need. The FASTEST way to do this is to double and kill ace to prevent him from side pardoning during the lynch. If we lynch ver today and everyone agrees ace is mafia tomorrow, we're still fucked because we're dealing with the same pardoner + double lynch scenario. Actually, to be completely fair (and to diverge a little from the rambling style for a while) I understand what you're saying here. I just feel you're working on a very basic, very mechanical level. You don't count in behaviour at all, or rather, do it in a very convoluted way, as if it's something mystical and unexplainable... It's simple stuff actually, and it manifests in small, simple clues. Just as an example: as soon as Ver made that accusatory post and Ace and I rebutted that, Ver goes on saying "oh OK, I liked Ace's response, but Mynock, humm, he's fishy fishy". Why? To set Ace up vs me and vice-versa. Why would he do that if he was innocent? Because he made a miscalculation about me? Nuh-uh, I'm not suspicious on THAT level, and I know it. Ver knows it too. He wouldn't make such a mistake. Simple stuff, but it's subtle. And Town misses that, and Ver knows THAT. Oh, how well he does, he pulled the same stunts last game. If he's not Mafia, I'll have to say this is the worst Townie play I've ever seen from Ver. Period. I'll also admit I suck at reading people. So go on, prove me wrong... | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:40 Incognito wrote: Then vigi Ace tonight if Ver flips not town. You meant to say, vigi Ace if Ver flips Town? | ||
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And whenever I come online in the afternoon to check what's going on, I end up posting like 3 hours after the last post Whatever, just rambling here... | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:52 0cz3c wrote: But what if Nemy flips blue? Ver, BC, 0cz3c... | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:28 Mynock wrote: This is just brilliant. And I thought the previous Town was dumb. BC, you're fishy as fuck. You know, syringes and Showtime!... What? Google showtime and go to the third link on the 2nd Google hit (oh, Google suggest a correction, so press that obv) and scroll down to the third picture from the left and you'll see a syringe in the background? I didn't even bother looking up any of that. You know what the whole BLOODY ordeal reminded me of? A BLOODY COBBLER if anything. But I don't rely on riddles to try to find any connections here. I just look at how you post and what you do. And you're trying to post retarded links out of nowhere. L follows suit because he has a Pardoner fetish and has to somehow deal with his raging hard-on which he had ever since the elections started (has L ever made a post where the word "pardon" appears less than 38 times?) I found a flaw in my arguments. I'm being too calm and focused here. I have to change that, because people won't understand my points otherwise. I have to do it like Ace, so here goes... FUCKING LOOK AT VER IDIOTS! What's he doing now? SHIT ALL. The same thing he did last game when he was mafia as well. If we don't lynch Ver tonight I'm gonna fucking PM EVERY GODDAMN Townie after the game, telling them how THEY SUCK and should never ever play a game of Mafia again. 20 PMS AT LEAST! Maybe more... IF YOU DARE GET DIVERTED FROM YOUR FUCKING MAFIA MAYOR JUST LIKE YOU DID LAST GAME, I WILL FUCKING GO TO YOUR HOUSE AND MURDER YOU! So, let me get this clear now... Townies vote Ver. If you're a Townie you know you vote Ver. If you're scum, or a paranoid delusional maniac with a Pardoner-fetish you vote whatever else comes to your mind, and we'll deal with that later. IF VER ISNT MAFIA (or traitor), LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY. If I'm wrong on this one, call me stupid, call me retarded, call me whatever, I'll deserve it. | ||
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The solution is so fucking simple: Lynch Ver. If he's innocent, we can Vigi Ace easily (and you don't even have to endure another Pardoner nightmare again, hey!). If he's Mafia, we go after other prime Mafia suspects (like Plexa and co.) Simple stuff, but requires a bit of logical thinking before. As opposed to convoluted paranoid stuff with no thinking behind it (or rather overthinking certain stuff, completely ignoring other). | ||
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You guys will be had, once again. Unless the likes of Showtime! and Caller stop acting to hurt the Town every step of the lynching, this vote will be controlled by Mafia. Oh shi~! That's exactly what they want, you say!? | ||
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Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round: From: Ace Subject: Re: Hey Date: 5/18/09 00:19 paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What do u think about L? Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that. | ||
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Everything is in perfect order for him. He knows he's busted, but hey, the Town won't lynch him anyway, they have L! "He'll make sure Town wastes this lynch, so why the fuck should we even be involved, right?" Ver will come in towards the very end, put his votes on Ace, and that's that. And the other Mafiosi? By that time they'll be all around on random targets, or on Ver himself. If Ver's votes suddenly get a surge, he'll come in sooner. He'll make a long post shifting the blame to all kinds of people, and we might see some of those who voted away from Ace, suddenly return, "convinced" by Ver's post. This is why voting Ver makes the most sense. Whoever doesn't want to lynch Ver now, is suspicious, if the Ver votes gain momentum, whoever tries to turn the tide is suspicious. Remember tho, Ver still hasn't even played his 2 votes yet! That without even making his soon-to-come post about why Ace such a juicier target, bound to convince some gullible Townies. Do you realize just how deep his rake is up your asses yet? | ||
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On May 21 2009 03:42 L wrote: I'm cool with having ver vig hit the first night. Where's the delay here? Regardless of what we do, we can't knock down KP with a single kill. the double lynch happens essentially during the same kp cycle as our vig hit, so why depend on the vig? O_o. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying here. Ver doesn't come because everything goes to plan? Why? Cause we're about to lynch an innocent. He knows he's out, but why would he be involved here? No need. The Town is making a mistake as it is now, and he needs not to intervene. Stop with your endless accusations of Ace, you'll see how Ver jumps back here in an instant. | ||
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So anyway... Great fucking job all. And Ver tells the Town it plays bad? Oh sure. You basically shat on the whole game, being in the most important position none the less. Sure, go ahead and take out your lulz or whatever for misreading you. I simply gave you too much credit. I somehow assumed, that one of our (supposedly) BEST players, would actually contribute more than tossing the Town into chaos. I read you absolutely correctly. Out of all the possible options, why the hell should I have included "oh, Ver is probably just totally fed up with the game, so he prolly won't even bother replying even tho he's following the thread, and he's prolly gonna ask to be modkilled anyway, and oh, he's veteran" possibility into my guesses? Yeah, how foolish of me. Maybe it's because I assumed it's a vet game, and people would actually play, especially OUR MAYOR of all people. Especially after he promised it 30 times. You completely misread Ace, Ver. And L did too, of course. Yeah, I was wrong about your role (not about you per se tho, because lynching you WAS better for the Town), but L was wrong on pretty much every account. I thought both Ace and me made it blatantly obvious we're not Mafia. Don't go blaming him, I got his message. Whatever, you won't even read this anyway. Why the hell do I have to be so disappointed again? Goddamn. Even I thought that Ver would do some work in the office, or otherwise, why take it away from someone who actually wants to (ME)!? You're the one who completely misplayed his role Ver! I don't even want to point out any of the flaws, because I don't have the will, nor will you ever read it anyway. I'm just disappointed again. Anyway, n00b teammates, look at their items, feeders, etc, etc... I'll fume myself off somewhere, maybe I'll come back to try and patch this shit up. Maybe not, I don't care ATM. Next time, maybe you guys will vote for me. | ||
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My access to TL.net has been utterly rhapsodic lately, but I'll use this window while it still works, and post my thoughts on the matter. First, I'll start with a message I wanted to post last night (right when MBH made his post about soon to reveal Mafias en masse, but before he actually did it), but that's exactly when my net broke off, so I had to keep it in txt: I sent a PM to Bockit back during the whole Ver/Ace/L debacle, and it represented my guesses on Mafia back then (quite heavily skewed, due to Ver's doings): To: Bockit Subject: If I had to guess now Date: 5/21/09 01:02 Mafia list: + Show Spoiler + Ver BC Caller Plexa Dreamflower fusionsdf (either Mafia or possibly Blue) Traitor: nemY Somewhat suspicious (need to see more of them): Infundibulum Incognito Now, obviously the whole Ver line has been a false lead, which at that time most prominently included Ver himself and dreamflower (I suspected they are together and they were, unfortunately Ver played the way he did, and so, meh... completely off). I have been correct on Caller, and frankly, no surprise there, I said he's one the most shifty back when Ver made his defense post of him, and attacked me. Caller, and Ver's subsequent defense of him were also one of the primary reasons for me to start on the whole Ver thing. However, if I had to modify my findings now, I'd say I have to modify things, tho I'm still suspicious of Incognito and fusionsdf. First, I'm very suspicious of MTF right now. The question now is either MBH or MTF. The thing about MTF is, he's playing it just as he was back the last time he was Mafia. Providing rather useless clue interpretations, which are not only wrong, but are geared towards the primary, most popular targets at the time. So basically, nothing new. In his last post he didn't even make any direct accusations, merely listed clues, and among them, lots of obvious non-clues. In particular, he pursued the very popular "small man" + "hands" clue. Which brings us to MBH. If MBH is innocent, MTF is Mafia. It's probably true vice versa as well. I'm also suspicious of HeavOnEarth. His posting style brings absolutely nothing to the table, and is merely good to keep him afloat. Perfect for a Mafia, or a blue role in hiding. Why Mafia then? If he was a DT, he would be pointing us in directions by now, but none of that happened yet. Also suspicions: 0cz, fusionsdf, Incognito... Of these, we should see more posts, and I will explain why 0cz later on. I have to run now, but it's something I wanted to let out in front. My suspicion list will be modified once we get to hear from MBH. Until then, the traps are set  So, huh. Since then, 0cz has been blown out of the water, and Tricode made quite a bang himself I won't even add anything to the 0cz case, what's left now, is to wait the lynch. Tricode is absolutely doomed with that PM tho, so even tho I have to admit I had very little suspicion on him before, this is ridiculously incriminating.But apart from these, the most interesting for me right now are MTF and HeavOnEarth. Both fit just what I expected from them (especially HOE's immediate defense as soon as he got called out, even tho he didn't say anything at all before, and his subsequent tries at "analysis" are rather incriminating). Bockit called out HOE rather nicely there, which only confirms my own doubts, and I'm glad to see he is somewhat suspicious of MTF as well. So what do we do now? We wait and see if MBH is on our side. If yes, we have a rather clear picture here. If not, it all turns around. Oh, and, MTF wrote: WTF Random Votes: 2 Mynock (x2) Nope, those votes aren't as random as you'd like them to seem to be | ||
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