TL Mafia 5 [Game Over]

On March 17 2009 14:06 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:




Any mod / someone who saw that want to tell us what that was?
EDIT: nevermind more_minerals isn't in this game lol

On March 18 2009 07:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

I thought I voted for BC not semioldguy

On March 18 2009 09:39 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"The other reason we can't tell which side an incarcerated player is on simply by looking at kill power, is that kill power isn't going to change half of the time from a single Mafia being removed. So we would need to rely on a role-check anyway."

So should we medic up on vigis hoping they will kill a mafia and survive the night? If the vigi called out someone the town has high suspicions of and the vigi is someone who has played in a way that looks legit maybe we should consider it because its the most likely way I see to have a publicly confirmed blue that can't be a GF.

And if the vigi hits a blue and survives the night with medic help or otherwise, a DT check would confirm they are either vigi or godfather.

If they hit a blue we won't send them roles and if there are extra vigi calls we'll have a short list to find mafia from. So... what if we just have one vigi a day call out a hit and then be protected that night. We are bound to eventually hit a red and have someone we can trust. Cons are obviously that it may not be worth the medics focusing and it may take too long and allow too many deaths to set up - plus if mafia get some kills on medics and vigis early we may never get a red and have wasted time setting this up. Still, the unique characteristic that mafia can't kill themselves seems like the only exploitable way to make sure someone is 100% blue so maybe we should consider it. The idea of medics protecting vets could work as long as all vigis call their hits so we know they didn't trigger a medic but the medic and vet could both be mafia or one or both could be millers or godfather and it would be awfully tough to weed that out.

On March 18 2009 10:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
The biggest risk I see is the mafia faking as a vigi and stringing us along by posing as a vigi attempting to kill blue after blue and having the mafia end up killing the same person. We would probably have to choose as a town who the vigi should kill because that way a fake vigi wouldn't be able to just choose someone who is not mafia everytime and claim every morning that the mafia had killed the same person in order to foil them. Vigis are always having to deal with the risk of killing a blue or green so as long as its a person the town is okay with attacking I don't think the negative consequences are that bad, however early on we are probably unlikely to have an extra kill to want to give to a vigi that might be fake when we could double lynch - we are also unlikely to even have someone to double lynch.

On March 18 2009 11:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

If the Vig is going to kill a blue/green the mafia will probably let him do it. If the vig is going to kill red they will probably try to kill the vig to prevent organization. If the vig gets killed after killing a blue/green its not the end of the world since they had no power left anyway. If the mafia bandwagon to kill the vig who killed a blue/green I think they will look suspicious - we aren't giving the roles to a vig unless they hit red. On the fourth day if a vigi comes forward saying they are a vigi when we've already had 3 claim then we have a short list from which we can find at least one mafia and if we accidentally kill a blue/green while using clues to sift through it at least they are ones that killed how the town wanted them to (have to make sure we hold them to this so the mafia won't want to fake a vigi and then be asked to kill a red that they can't kill) and are now powerless.

I do agree that the vigi plan is a long shot however I don't think it is mutually exclusive with holding elected officials to the demands of the town under pain of lynch - that should happen regardless.

On March 18 2009 11:58 Ace wrote:
@Inf: You know if I'm against some plan in a Mafia game and if you assume I'm innocent - there has to be a really good reason right?

Look at the plan and tell me after going through all the "if this happens, and then if this and this and this" happens and it all comes out what is the point? It's like no one realizes this game is designed so that there is no way to have early central organization as easy as before, but you guys are going to kill yourselves and all the rest of us in trying. right now it's better to see how the this election and the first day plays out while letting the DTs do whatever it is they want to do.

On March 19 2009 09:16 fusionsdf wrote:
If we have to lynch someone on the first day, then it makes sense to lynch the person with the most clues against them, even if the clues aren't 100%.

On March 20 2009 10:13 JL13 wrote:
Well so far it seems like the problem with vigi's as they send in their hits is:

1) Do vigi's publicly claim their hits after sending PMs to Chuiu, thus medics don't protect vigi hits ensuring the hit goes through regardless if the target is town/mafia?

2) Do vigi's stay silent and pray medics don't protect the target?

Am I getting this right? I will post my opinions once I get this cleared up.

On March 20 2009 12:43 Ace wrote:


If it helps Versatile is also synonymous with being ambidextrous. However for both their hands to be behind their head, and then grab something suggests another pair of hands doesn't it?

On March 20 2009 12:44 redtooth wrote:

edited to show how dumb day 1 clue analysis is. its good work you guys are doing but i don't know if it will produce any results. i'm going to sleep now.

On March 20 2009 13:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

Didn't someone say that there was a scene from the movie Gladiator where someone helps another guy up and then stabs them?

On March 20 2009 12:57 redtooth wrote:

well i clicked that link and would just like to say that i want my 2 coins back.

On March 21 2009 14:59 redtooth wrote:
Now that my semi-rage post is over with, let's get down to business. Ace was probably jailed to protect him from hits. The question now is: did a medic actually do his job and block a hit or was the fifth hit on Ace. Medics, just because someone is on Ace's list of the "vets" doesn't mean you shouldn't save them. Ver's death is going to be a big blow to us.

I'm surprised that they killed Scaramanga (assuming Ver didn't pick him off). He would have probably have wasted one of our lynches. Obviously a mistake on the mafia's part so we can assume that they weren't too active in the last hours of the night when Ver started pressing Scara.

Clue analysis will probably be the name of the game. If you aren't willing to post (as many people are claiming to be) then go through people's profiles and google/wikipedia odd sounding names. We can redeem this debacle.

To Chuiu: There's no way of us knowing if the medics/dt were afk or inactive right? If we lose because our medics are "at work" then I propose we ban them. This night was ridiculous.

On March 22 2009 15:03 Caller wrote:

Your posts so far are a mismatch of anti-vigi plan posts and uninformativeposts about last night-a lot of aomething that says nothing, and you haven't really done the clue analysis that you did last games.

Ver's major arteries were stabbed into and they left him there to bleed out and die.

On March 22 2009 06:26 Versatile wrote:
3. As for the mafia personalities, I've come up with:
a. Powerful, dressed in all black, armed man this may be Rice.
b. Weak, pathetic fight man
c. Tattooed biker man
d. Person-in-charge w/ bum characteristics The collector. Humbug possibly?.
e. Person possible multiple arms from Day 1 (or is a Pikachu lol)
f. Explosions man who sets traps and taunts.

On March 24 2009 08:42 semioldguy wrote:
I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.