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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 11 2009 16:34 GMT
#23
IMMAH RUNNIN FO MAYOH

ER SHARIF

HE DONT LIKE IT
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
March 11 2009 16:51 GMT
#26
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
March 11 2009 18:17 GMT
#38
On March 12 2009 02:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok everyone, unlike the flashy gimicks of caller, I offer substance to my platform!.

to start with heres my portfolio.

Name: BloodyC0bbler
Mafia experience: 5(6 if you count callers as two go's), 1 game run, 1 game co hosted

Looking at just the one stat alone, I have the experience to lead this town to victory!
In mafia 2, I was town aligned and we won, mafia 3 we as town dominated the mafia, mafia 4 was ruined by a jerkoff so well, can't really say much there. Tracils game ended early, but my side was winning. Callers first game ended day one with VI win, and his second game I as VI won.

I have a high precident of winning the games on the side im part of, with ability, and luck like that, I would be an obvious goodluck charm for the town.

Now, witha ll the extra things I do on TL (PX, Location thread, etc...) You guys know I spend way to much time here, giving me the most amount of time to really jump ontop of things, I can analyze clues well which is helpful in your sheriff.

So I ask you all, Vote for the right choice, for a townie victory, vote BC!


I hear BloodyC0bbler was seen have a conversation with Chris Hansen.
I also hear he has a swastika on his arm.
And he hates Israel.
And he is a Republican.
And he supports the War in Iraq.
And he's a liberal.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 14 2009 18:14 GMT
#125
if you look at the list we got rid of most of the inactive troublemakers.
Staying silent during mafia and speaking gibberish, especially if you're not mafia, is not helpful.
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
March 17 2009 03:12 GMT
#136
Game started, I got my role.

I continue my campaigning efforts for Sheriff.
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
March 17 2009 03:32 GMT
#146
Except for the explosion in City Hall. The sheriff, Chuiu, ran out of his office across the street to see the building crumbling in on itself.

This suggests an implosion, not an explosion. It could also mean a black hole, but the explosion makes it sound weird.
He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave. Chuiu took a few steps toward the building to see if he could find anyone in or around it. Then he spotted three running away from the back of the building. Chuiu ran after them and left Incognito alone.


He finally caught up with them a few moments later as they were getting in a car. He noticed they weren't leaving right away, what could they be waiting for? It didn't matter, he made a quick call for backup and decided to catch them off guard before they had a chance to leave. Approaching with gun drawn he demanded they get out of their car. Two of them exited. They approached Chuiu slowly and he backed up to a safer distance keeping the gun aimed at them. When they stopped he lowered the gun slightly and told them to put their hands behind their backs and get on the ground, then he yelled at the third person to get out of the car. One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side. He tackled Chuiu to the ground and then ran over to the gun and armed himself with it. The other mafia, now between Chuiu and the armed one, walked slowly up to Chuiu. He reached out his hand as if to help Chuiu up, Chuiu grabbed his hand with a puzzled look on his face and began to get up. But then the mafia pulled him close and stabbed him in the chest. They left Chuiu to bleed to death and got back into the car and drove to City Hall.


Why did only two mafia get out of the car? Maybe one of them is deaf, or (ala the other game) one of them IS the car. Or, further, one of them doesn’t understand/is in some kind of safety seat. Like a baby/toddler?
As for the hands behind the head, how could you grab the gun? Unless you had more than two hands, or could grab it with your mouth/feet.
The stabbing suggests that the mafia is a helpful person/guy. Either that or I keep thinking of that Gladiator scene.

Over at City Hall Incognito just realized something the mafia might have missed. He began sifting through the rubble thinking he could score something to help catch the mafia. What he didn't know was one stayed back to make sure he was dead. He was shoved forward while hunched over pulling some concrete away and smashed his head into a large chunk of debris. He turned himself around to face the man and knew that whatever could be found was lost. With one shot to the head Incognito's life was ended.


One of the mafia is very careful and knows everything/is very aware of what may have happened. But what is this mysterious thing?

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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
March 17 2009 03:33 GMT
#147
On March 17 2009 12:30 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2009 12:27 malongo wrote:
On March 17 2009 12:23 Qatol wrote:
In accordance with our deal (the candidate who enticed the most TL staff/ex-staff to play gets my vote),
I vote for BloodyC0bbler for sheriff/mayor

Please can you link me to the deal?


It was done via PMs and IRC. Caller, BC, and a few others like Ver know about it. I can post the PMs if you wish.

I can confirm the PMs existence.

I can also confirm I was too damn lazy to volunteer XD
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 17 2009 03:37 GMT
#149
On March 17 2009 12:36 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2009 12:33 Caller wrote:
On March 17 2009 12:30 Qatol wrote:
On March 17 2009 12:27 malongo wrote:
On March 17 2009 12:23 Qatol wrote:
In accordance with our deal (the candidate who enticed the most TL staff/ex-staff to play gets my vote),
I vote for BloodyC0bbler for sheriff/mayor

Please can you link me to the deal?


It was done via PMs and IRC. Caller, BC, and a few others like Ver know about it. I can post the PMs if you wish.

I can confirm the PMs existence.

I can also confirm I was too damn lazy to volunteer XD


Caller thinks he's too old to do stuff like that.

yep i'm getting up there in years
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 17 2009 05:57 GMT
#175
On March 17 2009 14:32 malongo wrote:
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i approve strongly of this message
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 17 2009 16:39 GMT
#223
in case you missed it
On March 17 2009 12:32 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
Except for the explosion in City Hall. The sheriff, Chuiu, ran out of his office across the street to see the building crumbling in on itself.

This suggests an implosion, not an explosion. It could also mean a black hole, but the explosion makes it sound weird.
Show nested quote +
He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave. Chuiu took a few steps toward the building to see if he could find anyone in or around it. Then he spotted three running away from the back of the building. Chuiu ran after them and left Incognito alone.


Show nested quote +
He finally caught up with them a few moments later as they were getting in a car. He noticed they weren't leaving right away, what could they be waiting for? It didn't matter, he made a quick call for backup and decided to catch them off guard before they had a chance to leave. Approaching with gun drawn he demanded they get out of their car. Two of them exited. They approached Chuiu slowly and he backed up to a safer distance keeping the gun aimed at them. When they stopped he lowered the gun slightly and told them to put their hands behind their backs and get on the ground, then he yelled at the third person to get out of the car. One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side. He tackled Chuiu to the ground and then ran over to the gun and armed himself with it. The other mafia, now between Chuiu and the armed one, walked slowly up to Chuiu. He reached out his hand as if to help Chuiu up, Chuiu grabbed his hand with a puzzled look on his face and began to get up. But then the mafia pulled him close and stabbed him in the chest. They left Chuiu to bleed to death and got back into the car and drove to City Hall.


Why did only two mafia get out of the car? Maybe one of them is deaf, or (ala the other game) one of them IS the car. Or, further, one of them doesn’t understand/is in some kind of safety seat. Like a baby/toddler?
As for the hands behind the head, how could you grab the gun? Unless you had more than two hands, or could grab it with your mouth/feet.
The stabbing suggests that the mafia is a helpful person/guy. Either that or I keep thinking of that Gladiator scene.

Show nested quote +
Over at City Hall Incognito just realized something the mafia might have missed. He began sifting through the rubble thinking he could score something to help catch the mafia. What he didn't know was one stayed back to make sure he was dead. He was shoved forward while hunched over pulling some concrete away and smashed his head into a large chunk of debris. He turned himself around to face the man and knew that whatever could be found was lost. With one shot to the head Incognito's life was ended.


One of the mafia is very careful and knows everything/is very aware of what may have happened. But what is this mysterious thing?


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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 17 2009 19:27 GMT
#240
Due to being really, really, lazy, I'm withdrawing my candidacy for Sheriff.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 17 2009 20:08 GMT
#257
Here's an idea:

It involves sacrificing a vigilante, but the vigilante will be able to use their kills.

A Vigilante pms a trusted townsperson that he is a vigilante and will make a hit on X. After night, if the hit on X goes through and it's not a mafia, the vigilante roleclaims and uses the proof of the hit. Then, Sheriff incarcerates him and everybody pms him stuff. Then he can help to organize town and get it together, at which point the day after, when he is no longer protected, he can find a successor for the town circle (preferably a townie) and use his last hit that night.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 17 2009 20:56 GMT
#277
On March 18 2009 05:26 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 05:08 Caller wrote:
Here's an idea:

It involves sacrificing a vigilante, but the vigilante will be able to use their kills.

A Vigilante pms a trusted townsperson that he is a vigilante and will make a hit on X. After night, if the hit on X goes through and it's not a mafia, the vigilante roleclaims and uses the proof of the hit. Then, Sheriff incarcerates him and everybody pms him stuff. Then he can help to organize town and get it together, at which point the day after, when he is no longer protected, he can find a successor for the town circle (preferably a townie) and use his last hit that night.


And you realize that vigis only have 1 hit, right?

regardless, it doesn't effect the plan that much XD
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 18 2009 00:57 GMT
#348
Pyrrhuloxia, I understand that at some point you are concerned that my sudden posting style is similar to that of mafia. Let me put it this way:

a) If non-external forces had suddenly come up, and i was hiding because I was mafia, do you think I would make it pretty stupidly obvious, especially because I'm really zealous about activity?
b) I have finals. Tomorrow. Elections are also over soon, and between studying for and taking them, I won't have time to mount an effective campaign.

That said, I vote for semioldguy, because BC does the same electoral thing every game, and that worries me.

Will be more active tomorrow, signing off,
~me
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 01:29:52
March 18 2009 01:29 GMT
#357
On March 18 2009 10:17 Ace wrote:
The vigi confirmation idea is just all around bad. Too many holes in it for little gain.

1.) Whoever claims vigi can't be mafia or the plan is dead. Even if the DT could check them, thats 1 RC down the drain and doesn't even get us the real Vigi we need. Assuming this doesn't happen...

2.) Now we have to hit a suspected mafia, not a sure fire mafia. Why do this early in the game? Unless we get an RC it's useless. We'd need to wait for more clue analysis. Involving DTs means spreading out already thin Medic protection, which means Mafia is going to rape everyone else very fast.

3.) Assuming we have a legit Vigi and he hits a mafia...now what? Everyone send in their roles to him? Mafia doesn't have to fear another hit from him, there are only so many blue roles that they most can just claim Towny and go on with their lives. Once again DTs will take forever to sort out the liars and may very well be out of Rolechecks at this point. Mafia wins the long term battle on this one.

The Vigi plan isn't going to help until much later in the game when the town doesn't need too much Detective help.


From past experience mafia rarely claims vigi, if ever. And one can tell if a kill is mafia or vigilante, usually-mafias in the past have been themed, while vigilantes are of a different theme. More importantly, mafias will give themselves away, especially if the targets in question are inactives or highly suspicious. For instance, if Tim is highly suspicious, and we send Bob after Tim, if Mafia tries to fake the kill it will show up, and "save" us a vigilante kill from revealing a suspicious person. On the other hand, if a legitimate vigilante kills Tim, we have our confirmed Vig. Regardless of whatever role the person hit was. At which point, the vigilante gets incarcerated (which protects him) and can arrange the roles. If Mafia fakes, it is likely that they will stick out like a sore thumb. Sure, it may add some confusion, but at however many mafia they sacrifice. More importantly, people with roles tend not to be inactives. And even if mafia claims Towny, it doesn't matter, because now we have the ability to coordinate night actions, and we can limit the pool of suspected mafia to that of just the townies (unless Godfather impersonates a blue, which although smart, if he's not careful, he may give himself away very easily).

And we don't have to rolecheck everybody, we can just use selective information and the use of roles to try and trip up mafia impersonating as blues.

edit: yeah I know I have finals, but I'm taking a break from studying. I hate calculus.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 18 2009 01:39 GMT
#360
On March 18 2009 10:30 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 10:20 Qatol wrote:
Ok a few things.
First of all, Ace: Rolechecks can be used consecutively, just not 3 times in a row. Reread the role. Checking people can happen faster than you indicated.

Second of all: There is an easy way of getting around the GF posing as a vigi idea (which is mucking up a potential vigi plan). Don't just rolecheck the vigi. The vigi AND the town knows where the hit went. All we have to do is have the vigi confirm that his hit went through and then look for the clue. Why the clue? Because vigis can be CLUECHECKED. If the town can't find a clue when they know who the clue has to link to, well we are in a lot more trouble than I thought.

Now the mafia can try to fake this, but it is unlikely that the mafia they want is actually linked to the hit they want. It is probably worth thinking about rolechecking the vigi as well just in case, but really, unless the mafia get pretty lucky, they can't control how the hit will go.



Ok even if they can use them up to 4 times - there is a limit. What if the town has to check multiple people? How do we do it? The DTs can't coordinate and there is no way to know who needs to be checked first. The DTs are gimped on this one and there is no way around it.

There *is* no way of getting around it. And this isn't just talking about the GF - it's about any Mafia really. It goes back to the same idea of having to use DTs and risking them or going off an even worse move of hoping the mafia mess up. but ok let's assume the GF fakes vigi.

GF comes out and says he's vigilante and will hit X player at night. Let's not even begin to think how we've come this conclusion that X should be hit. If X is 100% mafia we shouldn't be using the Vigi hit anyway. This means X has to be likely mafia. Which means he can be Miller/Townie/Blue or whatever. As long as he isn't 100% mafia, the GF just hits him and it goes through - how does the town avoid this? Even with a cluecheck how do you know who the hit gets linked to from the Mafia side?


As far as I know, mafia doesn't choose which clues pop out for kills. So if you cluecheck the person that kills the GF's target, and it doesn't match up with the Godfather, the godfather is screwed. That's a 1/10 chance of a successful deception, and if the clue is blatantly obvious it's a mafia (i.e. it appears twice or is of the same theme as mafia) the godfather is screwed again. So it is very unlikely the GF will go through with the hit. Keep in mind also that the GF has to target a suspicious character, or an inactive-either case, the hit, if it goes through, will help us whittle suspect lists while maintaining Town KP. If GF targets an important person or whatnot, he's exposing himself to massive amounts of flak. And why would GF necessarily roleclaim Vigilante? As soon as the GF's clues appear twice, he's dead.

This applies to any mafia who tries to fake DT/Vig: the clues will get them much more likely than not. The risk just isn't worth it.
As for the DTs rolechecking, we don't need to rolecheck until we have the whole Vigilante mess organized. At which point, the Vigilante can organize rolechecks.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 03:59:16
March 18 2009 03:56 GMT
#398
On March 18 2009 11:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 09:57 Caller wrote:
That said, I vote for semioldguy, because BC does the same electoral thing every game, and that worries me.

Anyone know what he means by this?


never mind, it was deja vu. T_T

as for the vig plan, yeah.
Although to be honest, I don't quite understand what's wrong even if the hit is a non-mafia. Again, the clues determine a lot, and if the clues match, the person is either definitely vig or definitely mafia. Otherwise, the person is definitiely mafia, and he dies. To prove that a person is vig, one quite simply puts medic protection (not incarcerates) him. If his name appears in the clues again, he's mafia. If not, likely he's a vig. At which point he can be lynched/incarcerated.

There are just so many ways for the mafia fake to go wrong I doubt it would be worth it.
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Caller
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Poland8075 Posts
March 18 2009 21:42 GMT
#444
I swap my vote from SemiOldGuy to MrBabyHands following Ace and Ver.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 19 2009 08:34 GMT
#570
On March 19 2009 17:32 Ace wrote:
Mr.BabyHands is a mafia player from another website that I invited last game. I voted for him because I put his game playing ability on the same level as pretty much any top-tier Mafia player here. Secondly, I never said the IRC infiltration was lame. I was actually somewhat indifferent to it ^_^

We just had to end the game because of all the problems it caused.

this

he is a very strong player, as I recall from Ace's mafia game.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 19 2009 09:17 GMT
#581
noooooo not RoL

he was the most hilariously person
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 19 2009 16:55 GMT
#613
If anything, right now we should try and trace RebirthofLegend back to the clues from Day 1, to see if we can get an idea of the clue posting style this round. So far I have seen nothing that would suggest RebirthofLegend has anything to do with the clues. But that could be a sign that not all mafia appear in the clues.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 20 2009 12:59 GMT
#775
On March 20 2009 20:50 Bockit wrote:
Something about Caller too. If he is mafia, it means one of the 4 candidates BC, SOG, Pyrr or MBH are mafia. Why? The only reason for him to cancel his election is to get another mafia player into power. There are huge, huge positives for having a mafia player in that position of power (Rolechecks show up as sheriff/mayor and not mafia), so the only reason I can come up with for him to pull out like that would be to instead get another of the mafia players into office.

Which means we should look at who he voted for, and who else voted for them.

Keep in mind this only matters if he flips red, but if he does, then yeah, we might catch a crapload of mafia.

EDIT: Editing because I refuse to triple post:

Hahahahaha.

He voted for MBH, which is coincidentally who I voted for. Teach me to hit submit before checking these things.

I guess it's possible he voted off the mafia train so as to lessen the suspicion on himself aftr pulling out of the election.

Again this is all relevant only if Caller is in fact mafia.

Firstly, I will admit that I have been very busy recently with exams. They are finished now so I can pay more attention.
Secondly, I will also say that the reason I quit my campaign was that I had these exams, and felt there was no point in running without an effective campaign.
Thirdly, I had a grand total of one vote. If I were mafia, I would most likely have more votes: after all, having started running before the roles, I could have a good reason for my innocence (ala aces game).
The one vote also wouldn't help a mafia mayor get elected:p
Although I will admit that my behavior is much different this round, I have a good reason for it.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 20 2009 19:44 GMT
#784
On March 21 2009 04:21 semioldguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2009 21:59 Caller wrote:
On March 20 2009 20:50 Bockit wrote:
Something about Caller too. If he is mafia, it means one of the 4 candidates BC, SOG, Pyrr or MBH are mafia. Why? The only reason for him to cancel his election is to get another mafia player into power. There are huge, huge positives for having a mafia player in that position of power (Rolechecks show up as sheriff/mayor and not mafia), so the only reason I can come up with for him to pull out like that would be to instead get another of the mafia players into office.

Which means we should look at who he voted for, and who else voted for them.

Keep in mind this only matters if he flips red, but if he does, then yeah, we might catch a crapload of mafia.

EDIT: Editing because I refuse to triple post:

Hahahahaha.

He voted for MBH, which is coincidentally who I voted for. Teach me to hit submit before checking these things.

I guess it's possible he voted off the mafia train so as to lessen the suspicion on himself aftr pulling out of the election.

Again this is all relevant only if Caller is in fact mafia.

Firstly, I will admit that I have been very busy recently with exams. They are finished now so I can pay more attention.
Secondly, I will also say that the reason I quit my campaign was that I had these exams, and felt there was no point in running without an effective campaign.
Thirdly, I had a grand total of one vote. If I were mafia, I would most likely have more votes: after all, having started running before the roles, I could have a good reason for my innocence (ala aces game).
The one vote also wouldn't help a mafia mayor get elected:p
Although I will admit that my behavior is much different this round, I have a good reason for it.

One vote could have helped, as there was only a one vote separation between second and third places.

I believe it was motbob who voted for you and then eventually switched to Pyrrhuloxia once you withdrew from running.


The person that voted for me was malongo. I'm not too sure why, and he ended up voting for Pyrrhuloxia.

But here's my thinking: if I was mafia, why would I want to cancel my campaign? First of all, it draws attention to me. Second of all, I could use the fact that I started the campaign as a way to continue the campaign, i.e. "chance I am mafia is lower because I ran before the roles." Third of all, I have actual Mayor (well... pardoner) experience. I would thus know how to imitate a townie mayor, and that would be another reason for me to run.

We are speculating way too much on "what if" I am mafia, and then deriving what that means from there. The problem is, firstly, I am not mafia (although everybody would say that) and secondly, there is no evidence whatsoever that points in my direction. Granted, my behavior may have appeared to have changed, but that was mostly due to my exams, on Wednesday, which both reduced by availability and impaired my ability to run a campaign (which is why I withdrew). In both cases, this speculation is going nowhere, unless I do flip mafia, in which case then one could discuss the possible implications of this.

If anything, right now I think the Scara/Mandalor accusations bear some merit (the Pika Chu thing, as many people said, relies on first day clue analysis, which is just a terrible idea). However, I also urge caution about too much speculation: often somebody brings up something that gets buried by speculation that later turns out to be very accurate. In addition, we might want to look at persons like RoL whom are inactive yet at the same time are usually very active. We also might want to see if clues relate to RoL in any way.
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March 20 2009 22:06 GMT
#791
On March 21 2009 07:04 Ace wrote:
Really good observation redtooth.

I think what we can gather from it are two things:

1.) Mafia is definitely active if we assume RoL was really afk. That means some of them are reading the thread and updating everyone else accordingly. If we go with this idea, it's best to check who posted around the time SoG revealed his lynch like you said.

2.) RoL was active and feigned inactivity. Let's go with the idea that once they are caught they pop out the woodworks all of a sudden. This means their are some mafia laying low. But RoL is usually active so why would he go against his normal behavior? If so, is there any other suspicious person that is really playing very opposite their normal abilities? My guess would be to look for someone who is usually behind the scenes and quiet that's posting more than they normally would.

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March 21 2009 17:22 GMT
#912
GUYS.

Why are we voting for Rice?
The knife clue is really, really stupid. Remember Midnight Gladius? remember all the games where we lynched him because of the knife? Yeah. I thought so.

If anything, a candidate for the Ninja clue is Mandalor. His Profile has a move from a video game, followed by a dragged out version of "Shuriken." Notice how one of the assassins (Qatol's) acts like a bad ninja-jumping from chair to chair, leaping on things and using a knife object, as well as having other weapons. The arrows match his poor jumping, and one of the weapons could be a shuriken (common among ninjas).
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March 21 2009 17:35 GMT
#916
The ninja clue could also be chaoser.

Chaoser is being awfully quiet.

And...
(12:22:39 AM) krimson: SON
(12:22:44 AM) krimson: IM the ninja trainer
(12:22:46 AM) krimson: i train ninjas
(12:22:47 AM) ostrich: wtf
(12:22:52 AM) ostrich: you're a pokemon trainer
(12:22:57 AM) krimson: POKEMON ARE NINJAS
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Last Edited: 2009-03-22 01:08:15
March 22 2009 01:06 GMT
#977
Seeing as how I was completely ignored the first time around:


GUYS.

Why are we voting for Rice?
The knife clue is really, really stupid. Remember Midnight Gladius? remember all the games where we lynched him because of the knife? Yeah. I thought so.

If anything, a candidate for the Ninja clue is Mandalor. His Profile has a move from a video game, followed by a dragged out version of "Shuriken." Notice how one of the assassins (Qatol's) acts like a bad ninja-jumping from chair to chair, leaping on things and using a knife object, as well as having other weapons. The arrows match his poor jumping, and one of the weapons could be a shuriken (common among ninjas).

The ninja clue could also be chaoser.

Chaoser is being awfully quiet.

And...
Show nested quote +
(12:22:39 AM) krimson: SON
(12:22:44 AM) krimson: IM the ninja trainer
(12:22:46 AM) krimson: i train ninjas
(12:22:47 AM) ostrich: wtf
(12:22:52 AM) ostrich: you're a pokemon trainer
(12:22:57 AM) krimson: POKEMON ARE NINJAS


In addition, chaoser posted not long after I had accused him, and proceeded to ignore my accusations like everybody else. I know chaoser is actually a pretty strong player, and by not drawing attention to himself if he was mafia, he could effectively bury my information like it apparently was.

Making big post summarizing my thoughts
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March 22 2009 01:17 GMT
#980
On March 22 2009 10:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I dunno Caller, you call it the "ninja clue" but I think the ninja thing is a bit of a stretch. It's like you make this jump to the ninja thing and then find a bunch of ninja related things.


The guy is described as being dressed in black, armed to the teeth, and is agile enough to jump from seat to seat.

Sounds like a ninja to me.

And meh, I guess it isn't Mandalor. However, the clue still points quite strongly at Chaoser, whom has also been unusually "inactive."
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March 22 2009 01:25 GMT
#983
First of all, here's what the kills tell us:

Firstly, recalling Ace's "Knights of the Zodiac" (XD)


Camlito -dead
Qatol -dead
BloodyC0bbler
Ver -dead
Caller
Bockit
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Ace -incarcerated
MrBabyHands
Versatile
Scaramanga -dead
JL13


From the looks of things, regardless of apparent guilt, it appears they are 1a2a3aing their way through the list.
I have no idea why Ace got incarcerated, so BC could very well be a mafiaso here. Or Ace. Or Both.
MrBabyHands appears to have disappeared off the radar. I note that Scaramanga's behavior, as mentioned by Ver, was weird from his normal townie behavior. If I were mafia and doing behavior analysis, I would have suspected that Scaramanga was a blue, and I would thus hit him. So I don't think mafia is as stupid as they seem here.
Infundibulum, usually very active and townie, has just posted a little bit and shut up. He could be the "bum-like" leader that has been mentioned several times.
JL13 is either a good townie or a very sneaky mafia. By the looks of the 1a2a3a I suspect the former.
Versatile is playing like she did last time, so I don't see anything suspicious yet.
Bockit appears to be townie here, however he could still be mafia.

Signs of a Mafia:
-Posts Crap
-Acts Different
-Doesn't get killed for the former
-Appears to have no fear of death
If they are smart mafia
-Posts big blocks of crap
-Acts the same
-doesn't get killed for the former
-Appears to fear death.

Consider that carefully when looking at vets vs. non-vets.
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Poland8075 Posts
March 22 2009 01:33 GMT
#987
On March 22 2009 10:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Oh one more idea, "Ver's major arteries were stabbed into and they left him there to bleed out and die."

The pulmonary artery is based at the infundibulum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conus_arteriosus

oooooh that goes well with his actions

Can someone check into this please?
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March 22 2009 03:13 GMT
#989
bumpity bump
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March 22 2009 06:03 GMT
#998
On March 22 2009 14:53 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
I vote for Mandalor

I've been as active as I can, Caller. Not really sure what you're comparing my previous levels of activity to. The only game I can remember being at least somewhat active was BC's, where i did clue analysis.

Your posts so far are a mismatch of anti-vigi plan posts and uninformativeposts about last night-a lot of aomething that says nothing, and you haven't really done the clue analysis that you did last games.
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March 22 2009 19:07 GMT
#1022
Again:

People:

I exhort you to ignore rice for now.

The clue is not completely correct: Nothing in that picture suggests that the people can move quickly about chairs. If anything, this clue is about ninjas, which as I have mentioned before may point to chaoser.

If you realistically think that the clue points to that obvious of a person, chances are you're either bandwagoning or a mafiaso.

Bandwagoning is B.A.D.
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March 23 2009 18:09 GMT
#1062
On March 24 2009 02:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"the walls came caving down on Scaramanga" really sounds like a clue to me. Sounds like a Jericho reference (or maybe a Samson reference). Maybe someone is a fan of that tv show or something.

that's part of the implosion clue from the first day that I mentioned earlier.
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March 23 2009 19:20 GMT
#1064
LucasWoJ hasn't said anything recently, which is weird as usually hes a semi-active townie.

His profile is lol's though.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=LucasWoJ XDXDXD
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March 24 2009 01:13 GMT
#1116
On March 24 2009 10:06 MrBabyHands wrote:
Based on the last day's clues (and behavior for some) I have 5 top mafia suspects. Just in case i dont survive the night, let me show you thems.

I present, MrBabyHands's Furious Five:

humbug :i think BC first made the connection with a "humbug" being defined as a deceiver/deception. also scrooge = stingy, miser, collector, etc. I think that was very good clue analysis and i think we'd be hard pressed to find a better match.

scooter : the biker clue. it just really sticks out to me. if you've ever had one of those gut feelings that you feel really strongly about. well, this is one for me.

tricode : malongo noticed the repeating theme of "3" in the clues. tricode also made a suspicious post (that malongo also noticed). but his response to the idea that he might be a suspect is what convinced me... see below

+ Show Spoiler +

I asked tricode what he thought about malongo bringing up his name as a suspect. this was his response:

On March 22 2009 03:25 Tricode wrote:
I don't know what to say really. I was just being honest about everything. I don't post because I would just read and go on AIM and talk to cob.

Since I haven't been able to talk to him for the last two days. I was hoping you guys would help me. I didn't know when to vote until i saw others voting. I knew there was a clue in the morning and I am enjoying the game. Plus everyone said morning should be coming soon or something to that extent and it seemed like it was taking to long. So i was honestly confused.

I am not certain about the clues to much. I don't want to ruin my first game and have people getting mad at me for pointing fingers at people who are innocent and get them killed though I doubt people would listen to me.

If this helps in my defense, Cob knows I am new at this game and can vouch for my claims about being new and my behavior.

But I will admit you are kinda half right about me posting it so I don't look inactive (mind you I still posted cause I wanted answers and help). I want my first game to be as fun as I can make it. I am having fun reading what you guys are saying. I do wish I can help more, but until I learn this game a bit better and understand how the clues are presented, I don't want to be completely inactive where I get blamed like this, but I don't know how I can contribute. I'm sorry about that.


the ol "puppy dog eyes" technique

"i'm new"
"i was hoping someone could help me"
"its my first time, i just want to have fun"
"i dont want people to be mad at me"


this could verywell be his first time. but that doesnt mean he's not red.

i think he presented too many explanations and they were all around a common theme (first timer, new to the game, dont wanna mess up, etc). People do this when they have something to hide. I feel like most innocent new players are more likely to downplay their inexperience so as not to appear as a burden. Tricode did the opposite. I also feel like he's overcompensating for his inactivity, again posting lots of extraneous information (who is cob anyway) and appealing to our emotions he offers a humble apology at the end.

His only defense was "i'm new. sorry about that." And he didnt address the clues at all, even tho they were a main part in his suspicion.

if i wasnt sure he was mafia before, i am certainly more convinced now.





MoC: this suspicion is mostly from the dark archon = bad fighter clue that someone else picked up on. But there are other things that got my attention. His posts dont really seem to add any real value. like they are "empty" posts in which he either agrees or disagrees with someone or is glaringly neutral-- this is indicative of a mafia trying to hide. Also, in the Day 1, the mafia member who "grabbed the gun" with his hands still behind his head. this could indicate psychic abilities (using the mind to grab the gun. Dark Archons are use mind powers). I think these two clues point to the same person. And I think that person is MoC



LeperKhan: look at this clue

Show nested quote +

When finally he saw there was nothing blocking the far door between him and his assailant he decided to try his luck and shove through the man.


i cant believe i missed this at first. The keyword here is "LUCK." and he's easy to shove too-- like a little person. AND he was taunting (as leprechauns are known to do). clearly a "leprechaun" is a good fit. or in our case... a "LeperKhan"


(edited for a few typos)

i like
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Poland8075 Posts
March 24 2009 03:49 GMT
#1127
medics by the way i suggest protecting active persons or one of the twelve knights of the zodiac XD

don't protect ace though hes been incarcerated
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Poland8075 Posts
March 24 2009 04:31 GMT
#1133
Whenever a phone clue is present people think it always applies to me,..
Thoughts:

Trident = Poseidon/Neptune
Cloud = dragonball/ninja/monkey reference
Three=#3 on the list?
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Poland8075 Posts
March 24 2009 04:41 GMT
#1141
At this point I suggest using 3lions as the second lynch.

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Poland8075 Posts
March 24 2009 04:43 GMT
#1143
Hmm bloodycobbler is number 3...
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Poland8075 Posts
March 24 2009 04:50 GMT
#1150
On March 24 2009 13:48 CompX wrote:
keep in mind that JL13, iNfuNdiBuLuM, mikeymoo and Pika Chu all got hit in the chest

Holy shit I never noticed that LOL
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Poland8075 Posts
March 25 2009 03:43 GMT
#1246
Kill 'em all XD

tbh i think Pyrr is a better match for the pocket clues XDXDXD
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Poland8075 Posts
March 25 2009 03:58 GMT
#1250
if anything, the Knights of the Zodiac are notably vulnerable.
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March 25 2009 05:09 GMT
#1254
is it too late to vote?
if not then

i cast both my votes for leperkhan
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March 25 2009 05:10 GMT
#1256
On March 25 2009 14:10 fusionsdf wrote:
you better hope hes red, or that move is going to make you look bad

eh?
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March 25 2009 05:32 GMT
#1259
On March 25 2009 14:30 malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2009 14:09 Caller wrote:
is it too late to vote?
if not then
i cast both my votes for leperkhan

Read the rules Caller:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2009 23:03 Chuiu wrote:
Double Lynch - Usable three times per game, the next day the town lynches two people instead of one. This means everyone gets two votes to distribute between two different people. The double lynch is elected by everyone. The vote must exceed half the number of players voting that day. IE: If there are 40 players voting then the town needs 21 votes to use a double lynch. Double lynches may be used everyday.

crap.

I vote for leperkhan and Ace
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Last Edited: 2009-03-26 17:27:35
March 26 2009 15:44 GMT
#1341
Medics, Watch These People Tonight.

Caller
Bockit
MrBabyHands (in jail, don't protect him)
JL13 he dead

Also note that it is quite likely that at least one of them is mafia.

fixed
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Poland8075 Posts
March 26 2009 17:26 GMT
#1347
On March 27 2009 01:28 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2009 00:44 Caller wrote:
Medics, Watch These People Tonight.

Caller
Bockit
MrBabyHands
JL13

Also note that it is quite likely that at least one of them is mafia.


There are only 3 medics left, so we must sacrifice one.

Caller
Bockit
MrBabyHands
JL13

There


T_T
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Poland8075 Posts
March 26 2009 20:59 GMT
#1357
On March 27 2009 05:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2009 00:44 Caller wrote:
Medics, Watch These People Tonight.

Caller
Bockit
MrBabyHands (in jail, don't protect him)
JL13 he dead

Also note that it is quite likely that at least one of them is mafia.

fixed

Any particular reason Ace is no longer one of the 12?

I forgot T_T
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Poland8075 Posts
March 27 2009 04:28 GMT
#1369
On March 27 2009 13:14 Rice wrote:
(12:22:39 AM) krimson: SON
(12:22:44 AM) krimson: IM the ninja trainer
(12:22:46 AM) krimson: i train ninjas
(12:22:47 AM) ostrich: wtf
(12:22:52 AM) ostrich: you're a pokemon trainer
(12:22:57 AM) krimson: POKEMON ARE NINJAS

in chaoser's profile... could be pointing to the shuriken/sword clue

already brought up how it compares to black dressed guy

I highly suggest lynching chaoser today and double lynching tomorrow.
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Last Edited: 2009-03-27 16:35:47
March 27 2009 16:35 GMT
#1411
Vote for Humbug and Double Lynch
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Poland8075 Posts
March 28 2009 00:40 GMT
#1438
On March 28 2009 08:30 Lurker wrote:
hi guys.
i am a townie. my role is useless...but anyways sorry for not been voting the whole time.....i was busy..

lol suspicious
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April 01 2009 01:01 GMT
#1544
In response to anybody bringing up the violin, the violin case is often used by mafia to bring out tommy guns. This could be a reference to the GodFather?

also, I vote for MasterofChaos
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April 01 2009 01:14 GMT
#1546
On April 01 2009 10:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
FUCK FUCK FUCK. I'm the DT that has been working with semioldguy for most of the game now. He's been acting weirdly today and so I clue checked him against the mafia using a push broom since it sounded like something a crotchety old man would use to keep kids of his porch / lawn and it came back YES. He's has all our fucking roles now and even after we kill him there are still 3 mafia to kill off all the medics in one night and the DTs the next. I think we have been led into a false sense of security ala Lasker and I bet MasterofChaos is the first false mafia he was going to blame on another DT. I recommend everyone change their votes to reflect this.
I change my vote from MasterofChaos to semioldguy

Here are my PMs with semioldguy thus far so you can see how fucked we are and how I phrased the clue check PM:
+ Show Spoiler +
lol April Fools - I'll change by vote back before night don't worry

holy shit holy shit holy shit

I change my vote to MasterofChaos
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April 02 2009 05:56 GMT
#1615
Mafia give up?
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April 03 2009 06:06 GMT
#1638
On April 03 2009 14:20 Fishball wrote:
MBH, SoG, BC, and the DT's did all the work.
I didn't do shit

hurray for being utterly useless
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