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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-17 22:43:49
March 17 2009 22:21 GMT
#301
Current vote tally:

BC
Qatol
Jyvblamo
Ver
Fishball

Pyrrhuloxia
Fusionsdf
Mikeymoo
Teejing


Semioldguy
0cz3c
Mista
Pika Chu
Pyrrhuloxia

i dont think i missed any.

edit: this one sucks, second tally is accurate. i blame all you non format followers
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 22:22 GMT
#302
On March 18 2009 07:19 MrBabyHands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 06:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

I think it's way to early for a post like this. Some mafia may just be inactive noobs like with the last game.


this kinda supports my claim that the mafia havent been posting


Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 06:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
And mafia can be pretty diverse in how much they post I know when I was in MTF's mafia I talked incessantly (as I did last game as a DT). And we were pretty organized but still we all talked different amounts. All Caller has posted that I've noticed is a post to say he's running and a post to quietly say he's not. I guess maybe something came up but usually he's super active and seemed pretty pumped to participate a few days ago and internal to the game all I can see to motivate him pulling out of the race is that he started running before role PMs and then rolled red at which point he felt the need to slink away from the inevitable DT checks. But external to the game plenty of things may have come up and I can't debate that.


if the mafia has few experienced people, then they wont be very diverse at all. and i read the last game-- you guys didnt seem that organized to me. lol

i understand where you're coming from. i just know that i'm better at figuring people out than they are at hiding.

its kinda funny tho-- by addressing my list, you are actually proving your innocence even more. a mafia member wouldnt intentionally cast doubt on a list that says they are innocent. but an innocent trying to help to town would.

either way, those people are good. as the game progresses, you will see that.


I wasn't mafia last game, I was mafia in Ace's Mafia World. Last game the mafia was definitely unorganized.
LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
March 17 2009 22:30 GMT
#303
I vote for Pyrrhuloxia.
I do not have much time to read this thread right now, but from what I could read while skimming through his thread, this would have to be my choice.
Just keep swimming
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 22:31 GMT
#304
On March 18 2009 07:21 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Current vote tally:

BC
Qatol
Jyvblamo
Ver
Fishball

Pyrrhuloxia
Fusionsdf
Mikeymoo
Teejing


Semioldguy
0cz3c
Mista
Pika Chu
Pyrrhuloxia

i dont think i missed any.

I thought I voted for BC not semioldguy
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 22:32 GMT
#305
also some people voted for caller even though he quit it might be useful to know
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
March 17 2009 22:39 GMT
#306
On March 18 2009 07:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 07:21 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Current vote tally:

BC
Qatol
Jyvblamo
Ver
Fishball

Pyrrhuloxia
Fusionsdf
Mikeymoo
Teejing


Semioldguy
0cz3c
Mista
Pika Chu
Pyrrhuloxia

i dont think i missed any.

I thought I voted for BC not semioldguy


yeah you did. my mistake.

also what i did was run a ctrl+f for "vote for" but now that i am going back it looks like there are some votes that weren't posted in the correct format. Updated list comin in a minute.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 17 2009 22:39 GMT
#307
On March 18 2009 05:47 MrBabyHands wrote:
a few of the people posting ideas are clearly trying to trick the mafia into making a bad move. this much is obvious. if i noticed this, then certainly the mafia does as well. which is probably why they aren't posting.




How do you know they aren't posting?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 17 2009 22:40 GMT
#308
On March 18 2009 07:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 07:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On March 18 2009 07:21 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Current vote tally:

BC
Qatol
Jyvblamo
Ver
Fishball

Pyrrhuloxia
Fusionsdf
Mikeymoo
Teejing


Semioldguy
0cz3c
Mista
Pika Chu
Pyrrhuloxia

i dont think i missed any.

I thought I voted for BC not semioldguy


yeah you did. my mistake.

also what i did was run a ctrl+f for "vote for" but now that i am going back it looks like there are some votes that weren't posted in the correct format. Updated list comin in a minute.

I was going to say... I've been keeping track and that isn't very accurate at all
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-17 22:48:31
March 17 2009 22:41 GMT
#309
On March 18 2009 07:19 MrBabyHands wrote:

its kinda funny tho-- by addressing my list, you are actually proving your innocence even more. a mafia member wouldnt intentionally cast doubt on a list that says they are innocent.


I would

(This no edit rule sucks :O)
---

EDIT: Actually, screw this, I'm editing. Otherwise it will just be pages of posts no one wants to go through

---
On March 18 2009 06:20 Pika Chu wrote:
Guys, we're making a big mistake here.

Why is everyone assuming none of the main talking guys ain't mafia?

Because we're practically going an all-in with this strategy, a cheese. It is a high probability that one of them is actually mafia and that would practically screw this plan.

Protecting the vets is the biggest mistake i see since it's clear that most vets got good roles (like mafia or something blue) and not the shitty green which is gave to newbies. I do believe this is the algorithm that Chuiu has followed when designating the roles.


I agree 100% with this post. Trying to influence the town is a LOT less difficult for mafia, and the town trying to organize without falling either into mafia traps or their own unplanned consequences is a LOT more difficult.

I don't think any town organization will work with the rules as they are.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
March 17 2009 22:42 GMT
#310
Current vote tally:

BC
Qatol
Jyvblamo
Ver
Fishball
Chaoser
Pyrrhuloxia
Scaramanga

Pyrrhuloxia
Fusionsdf
Mikeymoo
Teejing
LaxerCannon

Semioldguy
0cz3c
Mista
Pika Chu
Phrujbaz

Caller (no longer running!)
Malongo

OK, now i really don't think i missed any!
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 17 2009 22:48 GMT
#311
That one looks accurate.

Of the three of us running I would be content with any of the two of us holding elected positions.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 17 2009 22:49 GMT
#312
Nothing against you Pyrrhuloxia, but can you get a hard plan of what you will do if you get elected other than clue analysis(as this is a job any elected official/any town player should be doing)?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BWdero
Profile Joined February 2008
Netherlands476 Posts
March 17 2009 22:51 GMT
#313
I'll throw in my vote.

I vote for semioldguy.
Stars fighting! Member #43 of Violet fan cafe. Fuck Kespa.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 17 2009 22:56 GMT
#314
On March 18 2009 07:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Nothing against you Pyrrhuloxia, but can you get a hard plan of what you will do if you get elected other than clue analysis(as this is a job any elected official/any town player should be doing)?


not going to answer for him, but whats the point?

every candidate is going to say things like:
-I'm going to be deidicated
-I will listen to you
-I will be smart
-I will work hard

....And its hard for either a mafia or lazy bum to say that why?

Clue interpretation shows that a) you are fairly dedicated, b)you will be smart, c)you will work hard, d) its in town's interest to keep you alive.

It is much much easier to fake a platform than it is consistent clue analysis.

So now I ask you BC, if you want my vote, what are YOU going to do as sheriff/mayor?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 17 2009 23:01 GMT
#315
I disagree, I don't think it is very difficult to fake clue analysis at all. And there won't really be any way to check somoene's clue analysis as just being innocently incorrect or intentionally subversive.

If anything for Day One I would say Mafia have the upper hand in clue analysis. Not only do they all know who each other are, but that means if they find anything that could relate to someone they aren't they can try to push it as a possible clue. When people find out it was wrong it's not like we would know for sure that they are mafia just because they failed at a single clue analysis on the first day.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 17 2009 23:02 GMT
#316
I already said what i will do in my first platform, and have offered a plan and revised it to work. If you have fault with my stance, break apart my plan. I can clue analyze as well, I just realize day one analysis on its own is almost useless, we should all know that by now.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-17 23:07:03
March 17 2009 23:05 GMT
#317
I've edited my OP to show some unofficial official rules of the game.

4. Order of operations matters. Writeups in morning post may not happen in the same order people PM me them but actions will. For example, if a Vigilante kills off a Mafia which would lower their hit count for the night before the Mafia sends out their hits, they will lose that hit. Or if Mafia send out a hit against a Vigilante before the Vigilante sends in their hit then the Vigilante will die without doing anything. This applies only to roles that kill players, it does not affect roles like Paramedic.

This has always been true, even in previous games. I've explained it on a number of occasions yet I've always neglected to write it into the OP.

5. Unless otherwise stated morning will last approximately 48 hours and night will last 24 hours.
♞
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 17 2009 23:06 GMT
#318
Clue analysis should be saved until Day Two. Day One a "clue" could just be a red herring. But when the second day comes along if we find a clue implicating a single person in one of the two days, then we can scour the other day for a potential clue for that same person. This would be a much stronger case to build against someone as multiple clues across different days are going to be less likely found if a person is innocent.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 23:07 GMT
#319
I've explained what my plan is in a number of posts outside of my first candidacy post but I'll go over some main points again:

-If mayor I'll lynch Pika Chu unless something drastic occurs between now and the end of the election.
-If sheriff I will imprison mafia that are suspected and can't be lynched yet (the reasoning for this has been explained earlier by a few people, you, me, maybe some others.

If people trust me enough to send me roles I will organize them the best I can but I don't think the mayor or sheriff should demand them at the beginning. I think medics should protect innocent looking vets and hopefully DTs can ferret out some people to trust fully. If this occurs I will definetly not contradict such a player / players.

I think vigis should call out their hits beforehand since they only have one hit (making sure to send in their hit really early so it goes through). If the mafia use all of their kill power that night we will have a verified blue - if they lay off with killing power to try to make the person look suspicious, that would be stupid of them because we will have successfully deterred them and if they don't kill the vet we can medic protect him into a figurehead. If the vet dies that night (most likely) at least their hit went through and the vet getting killed is essentially a green at that point and much better than losing a DT / Medic / BG etc.

More ideas to come I gotta get dinner / make phone calls.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 23:19 GMT
#320
Pika Chu seems kind of lethargic in defending himself and only Nemy has tried to defend him and in doing so ignored the bulk of my analysis. If I was Pika Chu and innocent I'd be trying to defend myself by looking through the clues for someone else or continuing to restate the flaws some of the flaws in my analysis (the mafia character in question could be anything with more than l2 arms or any sort of animal that would hold things with its mouth or using psychic powers, although such characters wouldn't necessarily stand on 2 feet and run on 4 like a pikachu but I'd be trying to come up with something, especially if I was blue. If I was red I'd try to get some of my homies to defend me though they may be unwilling to go out on a limb once the bandwagon got too strong against me and they may being to implicate me to avoid suspicion. Pika Chu doesn't seem to be doing either of these, maybe he is green and not too motivated? Or maybe he is red and the reds have been told to take a low profile? Dunno.
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