EPTOr maybe he's the VI trying to get lynched? Ok I'm up for that too.
TL Mafia V: The Wrath of KHAAAAAANN
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Or maybe he's the VI trying to get lynched? Ok I'm up for that too. | ||
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Anytime on the first day any person jumps out and claims DT and that they've found someone they should be lynched. The burden of proof is on your death, not mikeymoos. Secondly I know you're smarter than that. No matter who you checked this game, they've got a high chance of flipping red if you're an insane DT. Which puts a big fucking hole in your entire role claim. See, if you REALLY wanted to find out whether you were sane or not, you would have waited to see who was going to get lynched on Day 2, and then before he died role check him. Check what color his blood spills, compare it with Mikeymoo and THEN reveal yourself. But you didn't. Killing you first stops any mafia in any game from false role claiming DT on the first day. If they know it's a sure fire way to get lynched they just won't try it often. What you're suggesting is killing mikeymoo first (lol) and then if he really does flip townie you can always say lulz, guess I was an Insane DT. When the real DTs check you and find you're mafia they can't come out safely without exposing themselves unless they find a mouthpiece. Of course they can't because they used their Day 1 rolecheck on someone else, and the Day 2 check on your ass. Since you weren't lynched and neither was their Day 1 check they still don't know if they are sane or not, hence they are still fucking confused. Your idea is the one that makes 0 sense. You always lynch the person accusing on Day 1 because all the relevant questions will be answered with YOUR death - not mikeymoo's. | ||
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The DTs are NOT cleared tomorrow. If Mikeymoo dies and flips green, that does not tell us anything about you. Which means some DT still has to RC YOU. Which means thats 2 rolechecks down the drain for a DT and thats assuming mikeymoo is going to get lynched. Thats a terrible trade for someone who could potentially be mafia from the town's POV. Hell, even if everything went right and the DTs figured out whether they are sane or not they can't PM anything to anyone except on blind trust because they have no more abilities to use. In a game with this much fatal roles, that'd be suicide. And also in Game 4 I took the word from Qatol because I got it from Caller, and Scaramanga also knew. That's 3 people that find out from the DT. That's a lot of pressure on him if something goes wrong and I was confident enough in my ability that if all 3 of them were mafia they'd have just gotten themselves killed. Which means it was most likely true. anyway onto something that bugs me about the way things happen around here: A general piece of mafia advice If anyone claims they are a DT on day one and says they have found a mafia member - lynch them. Always. This is critical. If you always lynch the accused, then mafia will always just have someone roleclaim DT on Day 1, claim someone like myself or Ver is mafia and watch the town lynch us. Then when you lynch the mafia for lying you feel like morons. If Myself/Ver flips red you still have no idea about the DT. However, if you lynch the accuser first you ALWAYS know what the accused role is. ALWAYS. This is crucial. If you do this consistently mafia will hesitate to DT claim on the first day in future games knowing they will get lynched. It also prevents our DTs from role claiming so early without building a solid deck of proof and finding a mouthpiece with their other day2 and day3 abilities. This logic will always work. Do NOT lynch the person being accused. It tells you nothing unless they just happen to flip blue, which means you fucked up anyway. Now why would you want to go down that road? | ||
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On December 31 2008 06:48 ShadowDrgn wrote: I still think there's a good chance of BC being the village idiot and copying RoL's strategy. If this turns out to be true, we know nothing about mikeymoo besides that he thought claiming blue was a good idea (he could easily still be mafia or green). On the bright side, lynching the idiot is better than lynching a real role, and getting him out of the way would be more helpful than harmful. If BC is actually a detective, what do we learn by lynching him? We still won't know whether he was insane or not and we won't know whether mikey was lying about being a blue. If we lynch mikey and he turns up blue, BC is either mafia or the idiot. If he's green, BC is either mafia or insane. If he turns up red, BC is either a real DT or a mafia ploy. Lynching either of them has 1 good outcome (hitting a mafia) and a bunch of bad outcomes that kill a green/blue and give us no real information. Having a DT come forward with an early roleclaim and mafia finding worked well in many of the past games and has been reliable. I'm not convinced that mikey claiming blue was a good defense or that he is sincere about it so I'm leaning towards voting for him and not BC. Why would anyone of us really care if BC is sane or not at this point? It does not matter. He could have figured that out in a ton of different ways. Just about anyone you investigate has a high chance of being red if you're insane. So whatever BC says after that does not matter. MikeyMoo could claim to be purple for all I care - you do NOT lynch him. Ever. The burden of proof is on BC, NOT mikeymoo. If he's mafia fine, but we'll know for sure after BCs death. | ||
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If RoL was blue or red, you would have known my role with his lynch. You can't say the reverse is true. And if BC is a VI just lynch him anyway so he can get his picture and the town can proceed without him. | ||
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The town always goes against my logic because it's "shit, we might lose a DT tho...". With mikey claiming to be blue now those same townies can think "damn, we might lose a blue this way too..." hopefully countering that ass backwards thinking. | ||
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If BC really was a DT, all this time he would be advocating for himself to be lynched. Because if he REALLY was a DT, him flipping blue would have exposed mikeymoo as liar (since he would have lied about being a blue) and also cleared up some DTs that check mikeymoo to figure shit out by the arrival of Night 2. BC hasn't once offered himself up as the sacrifice. He has to be lying. Lynch him. | ||
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It's really simple people. Just kill him. He's probably the VI and lynching him early gets him out of our hair for the rest of the game. | ||
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Go ahead though, you'll just run yourself in circles. Hell, why don't you point out for Incognito exactly what I'm doing so it takes attention off of killing you. You and Ozc aren't helpful to the town at all. You should both be lynched. Then we should check to see who hasn't posted much at all by Day 3 and start going after them. | ||
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Lynch BC. And me defending mikey moo doesn't imply there is a connection between us. I'm defending him on the basis that you're a lying sac of shit. Nice trying to analyze my playstyle but you still failed. I never use skewed logic, as your impending death is about to reveal. | ||
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Man it's so easy to catch you guys in flawed logic. | ||
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On December 31 2008 13:24 chaoser wrote: but numbers got run and even if they are a little off, i'm willing to take the chance and lynch mm. atleast BC roleclaimed while mm just said he was blue mikeymoo doesn't have to role claim to prove himself. The entire burden of proof rests on BC, not mm. Otherwise every game would start with mafia roleclaiming a DT and watching the town stupidly lynch. | ||
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edit: nevermind, saw the OP! | ||
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Caller oh boy... Medic powers are only supposed to activate at night so how can he get killed by a Day bombing? meh nevermind, this game has more nuances than I thought. | ||
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You made it so that suicide bomber can act in the day? Correct Mafia can't kill in the daytime tho right? Correct So if 3 lions chose to protect me as a medic during the day - he shouldn't be able to die since the only thing he can protect me from (Mafia) can't act. So him dying to the suicide bomber was pretty bad x_x | ||
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If you're going to allow medics to be vulnerable during the day you might as well let Vigis act in the daytime also. Suicide bomber acting in the day, as game breaking as it is/was isn't as bad as medics being affected. | ||
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Get smarter/better players and just ban the people who fuck it up. And IMO AZ hasn't ever fucked up a mafia game. | ||
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@RoL: How the hell is that AZ's fault? A few dummies did that, not him. | ||
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On January 06 2009 14:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: In this game with the insane dts, etc. Your lynch is definite, I voted to lynch you as well BC. However, I think in a game like Mafia 3, it makes more sense to lynch the accused. I understand it gives you less information, but you have to weigh that against killing one of your DTs. If he pops red, then you have either a legit DT who you can protect/test until you determine his authenticity. Then you could have a red posing as a DT who gets one of his own killed. That is rare imo, and a very hard circumstance to pull off, I would still keep the accuser "DT" under scrutiny until I am proven otherwise. Plus BC, you were retarded with the way you were talking and with your role, you had to be VI. I just wish we lynched someone else and vigi'd you out of the game. but whatever! And this is the trap you keep falling for. The mafia know this, and they'll keep doing it. What dont you get? As the DT you can't prove anything on Day 1, and no one else is going to out themselves to confirm you are mafia or not. So the mafia has everything to gain by posing as a DT on Day 1. Anything they say can't be debated. Hence, anyone who claims DT and pins someone as mafia has to be lynched FIRST if there is no third lynch option. | ||
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On January 06 2009 14:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I propose we randomly lynch Ace, ver, me, cam, mikey, or mynock day 1, unless a better option becomes available  lol agreed. It'll happen anyway the way these games go. | ||
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If you get a great player killed then it's worth 1 mafia. If you get another mafia player killed, and no one bothers to check you all game it's worth it. Last game Qatol got Ver killed, I was the mouthpiece. Now imagine if I lied and there was no mouth piece and got the real DTs killed. Then what? If the Fake DT gets your only jack lynched then what? See, you guys keep thinking it won't happen because it hasn't happened yet. Seriously, a lot of TL Mafia games come down to Major bouts of luck with the exception of the first 2. Even though in Mafia 2 there were lucky/unlucky breaks none of it is like what's happened in the past few games. The reason why all the good players are targeted first is because majority of the people playing either go inactive, just don't care to play for their side to win, or just fucking suck. | ||
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I'd rather lynch BC than kill mikeymoo when we have no idea what his role is. Townies have dumb logic. | ||
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 Trust me I really didn't want to lynch you but there was no third option - I just knew keeping mikeymoo alive was the smartest thing to do. Town is full of jokers though so I'm not surprised the game ended like this. | ||
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On January 16 2009 13:59 0cz3c wrote: Yeah the fact that Showtime! kept asking me to vote rig (after I told him several times that I would only vote rig to save myself) as opposed to double lynch seemed very suspicious to me. I thought that there was a 90% he was mafia and was playing me when he sent those PMs. That went away when I saw the double lynch occur. He actually wasn't the person who convinced me to position my votes the way I did. He didn't help at all . It was infundibulum, who, ironically, was the person recruited into the mafia. >.> | ||
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