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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 02 2009 20:02 GMT
#601
On January 03 2009 04:18 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2009 04:07 mikeymoo wrote:
5 godfathers anyone?

I have faith that caller made a balanced game.


lol never have faith in caller.


You dont have faith in anything.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
January 02 2009 20:03 GMT
#602
On January 03 2009 00:00 malongo wrote:
Amber[LighT] please take lucaswoj with you.
Reasons:
A) He was in touch with most of our dead blues.
B) Nevake asks to kill them both, lucaswoj asks to kill none of them
C) He was in touch with attackzerg, and put an obvious fight against him, then attackzerg bombed.
D) His quote
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
and the rest of his profile is junk added for mafia. Quote links to the first night:

So They Came Into The Outway
It Was Sunday - What A Sad Day (original is black day)
Mouth To Mouth Resus - Citation
Sounding Heartbeats – Recognition

E) He modified his profile with a msg to caller
thanks Amber[LighT]


I'm going to mention this seems like a bad idea for now. We need to see how things pan out. I'd like to get more info from lucas about who he contacted before we do anything rash. Why not save amber for when we've essentially confirmed a mafia?
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-02 20:04:46
January 02 2009 20:04 GMT
#603
then what happens if a meth dealer was picked to be killed without suicide? who dies? can you describe how meth dealer works Caller?

above post transferred over to new page so question doesn't get passed over
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 02 2009 20:07 GMT
#604
and cam, stop being so jealous you didnt get the VI role.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
January 02 2009 20:10 GMT
#605
On January 03 2009 05:04 chaoser wrote:
then what happens if a meth dealer was picked to be killed without suicide? who dies? can you describe how meth dealer works Caller?

above post transferred over to new page so question doesn't get passed over


i would assume a plain mafia, i.e. no mafia role, gets to kick the bucket. but we'll let Caller answer that for sure.
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LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
January 02 2009 20:17 GMT
#606
Mafia assigns a mafia member's name to each of their hits when they send in their hit list. This was in the original post of the last game, but for some reason wasn't transfered over to this one. The rule is still in effect. Caller doesn't choose who dies, it is determined completely by the Mafia's hit list.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
January 02 2009 20:21 GMT
#607
On January 03 2009 05:17 LTT wrote:
Mafia assigns a mafia member's name to each of their hits when they send in their hit list. This was in the original post of the last game, but for some reason wasn't transfered over to this one. The rule is still in effect. Caller doesn't choose who dies, it is determined completely by the Mafia's hit list.


ah thanks LTT, that completely explains away my concern.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 02 2009 20:25 GMT
#608
What happens if the mafia didn't send in who hit who? Would it then be random?
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
January 02 2009 20:29 GMT
#609
On January 03 2009 05:25 Incognito wrote:
What happens if the mafia didn't send in who hit who? Would it then be random?


i think caller would just pm them telling them to send one and not post day post till they do
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
January 02 2009 20:32 GMT
#610
It feels like we're living in a small town in Iraq.

That's for sure.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
January 02 2009 20:33 GMT
#611
so i think the major discrepancy is this:

Both nevake and LucasWoj say they knew Camlito was meth dealer. Mafia sent their suicide bomber to kill the meth dealer. We know there is a leak in the circle of players of Scaramanga, Amber[LighT], nevake, LucasWoj, and Camlito. It is possible there were other players in contact that haven't been named by anyone yet. Here are the ways i see this is possible:

1. Camlito's role was miscommunicated through the leak. Suicide bomber sent b/c mafia thought Cam was something else. Possible, but would be a pretty big mistake.

2. Camlito was an unlucky guess and just happened to be hit by the suicide bomber; mafia did not know whether he was blue but thought it would be a good idea to kill him. I do not think this is probable.

3. Either lucas or nevake is lying about knowing Cam's role, or about who knew it. The liar is most likely red. Definitely possible.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-02 20:41:52
January 02 2009 20:38 GMT
#612
By the way, any mafia that attacks the meth dealer dies, suicide bomber or not.
mafia must assign hits, i.e.

Bob --> Tom
Jim --> Stan

If Tom is a meth dealer, Bob and Tom die. If Jim is a doc and is protecting Bob, both hits go through, but Jim dies too.

so if a suicide bomber attacks (not bombs) a meth dealer, both die.

but i dunno if it was bomb or attack this time around ^^
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Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-02 20:47:54
January 02 2009 20:47 GMT
#613
On January 03 2009 05:38 Caller wrote:
By the way, any mafia that attacks the meth dealer dies, suicide bomber or not.
mafia must assign hits, i.e.

Bob --> Tom
Jim --> Stan

If Tom is a meth dealer, Bob and Tom die. If Jim is a doc and is protecting Bob, both hits go through, but Jim dies too.

so if a suicide bomber attacks (not bombs) a meth dealer, both die.

but i dunno if it was bomb or attack this time around ^^


Of course it was a simple attack, there was no "Tarp!" picture added.

You're trying to screw around with our brains... And that's what we have Zombies for.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
January 02 2009 20:48 GMT
#614
On January 03 2009 05:33 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
so i think the major discrepancy is this:

Both nevake and LucasWoj say they knew Camlito was meth dealer. Mafia sent their suicide bomber to kill the meth dealer. We know there is a leak in the circle of players of Scaramanga, Amber[LighT], nevake, LucasWoj, and Camlito. It is possible there were other players in contact that haven't been named by anyone yet. Here are the ways i see this is possible:

1. Camlito's role was miscommunicated through the leak. Suicide bomber sent b/c mafia thought Cam was something else. Possible, but would be a pretty big mistake.

2. Camlito was an unlucky guess and just happened to be hit by the suicide bomber; mafia did not know whether he was blue but thought it would be a good idea to kill him. I do not think this is probable.

3. Either lucas or nevake is lying about knowing Cam's role, or about who knew it. The liar is most likely red. Definitely possible.


i think in the end though, they just didn't know cam was meth dealer. bomber is only good to kill medics and so if they knew cam was meth dealer, they would figure there would be no medics on him.

so in the end, it doesn't matter if they bombed him or not cause either way it would be a bad move for them. so this leak is the only lead we have right now so let's try to follow it some more. also, the clues, the lyrics in conjunction with mm's clue should be looked at.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 02 2009 20:49 GMT
#615
On January 03 2009 05:47 Mynock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2009 05:38 Caller wrote:
By the way, any mafia that attacks the meth dealer dies, suicide bomber or not.
mafia must assign hits, i.e.

Bob --> Tom
Jim --> Stan

If Tom is a meth dealer, Bob and Tom die. If Jim is a doc and is protecting Bob, both hits go through, but Jim dies too.

so if a suicide bomber attacks (not bombs) a meth dealer, both die.

but i dunno if it was bomb or attack this time around ^^


Of course it was a simple attack, there was no "Tarp!" picture added.

You're trying to screw around with our brains... And that's what we have Zombies for.

you're dead stop talking ^_^
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Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
January 02 2009 20:53 GMT
#616
BTW Ty for calling me Cam ^^.

Also stfu BC. (Quiet now)/
sAviOr...
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
January 02 2009 20:53 GMT
#617
On January 03 2009 05:53 Camlito wrote:
BTW Ty for calling me Cam ^^.

Also stfu BC. (Quiet now)/

you're also dead
and you have no faith
you have no avenue for talking at all T_T
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
January 02 2009 20:56 GMT
#618
Alright, extra clue from a DT who requested it from caller!
Raekwon:
And if you want beef then get Muhammed
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothin' ta fuck wit
Straight from the motherfucking slum that's busted
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothin' ta fuck wit
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ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-02 20:58:56
January 02 2009 20:58 GMT
#619
On January 02 2009 22:31 LucasWoJ wrote:
Nevake. Re-read my posts and answer them (and re-read the ones you feel you've answered. Your answers sort of show you aren't getting what I said. Maybe I phrased it incorrectly). You're completely ignoring my logic. I'm myself tended to believe that you're a zombie, as you didn't play like this when you were a mafia, but this is absolutely retarded. There's no logical reason to lynch me. I could choose a random person (say another green) and argue we should kill him for the very same reasons. It's absurd. There is no logic to your thought besides "he was speaking with scaramanga" BUT you completely ignore the fact that I had no idea of your and amber roles until like 20 minutes, a time which I was AFK (ask mikeymoo once again), before the night post. And why would I target a zombie when I know the identity of the other jack, a detective, both vote riggers, etc? It just doesn't make any sense. Mikeymoo found out about your claimed role almost at the same time that I did. Since scaramanga didn't PM me outside of that, mikeymoo was in as much indirect contact with him as I was in direct contact. Again, you're not thinking nevake.

Furthermore, you completely ignore the fact that I knew the identity of camlito. If I were mafia, NO ONE would send their (hopefully) last suicide bomber on a confirmed meth dealer. In case it makes no sense to you, he'd have no medics on him because the point of his role is to draw fire in from the mafia. There are no benefits in wasting a role that is meant to multi-kill on someone who is almost sure to be a single kill. A regular mafioso, if they really wanted to trade-off 1:1, which is once against stupid, would have done the same job.

Camlito was in contact with at least two others, but one of them is a confirmed blue and the other person is almost certainly blue. Unless the latter ran off with his mouth, there shouldn't be anyone else. According to mikeymoo, Camlito actually approached him and just straight up told him his role. If he did that to anyone, a mafioso say, it would be very beneficial to the mafia as they'd just ignore him. Clearly, the mafia didn't know Camlito's identity. Both you and I did.


I was going to try and plan my own lynching yesterday with mikeymoo in a way to draw in the mafia and get the detectives to prove their sanity. It was going to be subtle enough to draw the mafia in after me, but when someone's as innocent as I am right now, it's just a waste of time. Honestly nevake, your lack of clear thinking, rush of emotions and acting on nothing but wrong impulses might very well lead us to our doom. You, sir, are possible as bad as oczcec, at least at causing unnecessary chaos.

Town - Don't vote for either of us. I suppose you could, but those really playing this game should know it's already almost impossible to win. There are 10 possible mafia, one of whom is the doctor, one of whom is the GF. Assuming there are two moles (there are at least two jacks, so I'm assuming two Moles) and the GF successfully converts two people, there are fourteen mafiosos. With two wasted lynches (possibly three if there's a double lynch)


Note-- JL13, I added him, as well as a few others, after the first day because I realized I had forgotten to include any singers/songs.


I'm not acting on emotions or rushing anything. Based on what I know, you are the only one alive who knew all 3 names. Based on what scara knows and what he told me when I asked him, you and I are the only ones who know the 3 names. In fact, even based on what you know, you are the only one who could possibly have known about all 3 names (even if you were 'afk' ) along with the 2 blues. It's just the process of elimination.

Camlito was in contact with at least two others, but one of them is a confirmed blue and the other person is almost certainly blue. Unless the latter ran off with his mouth, there shouldn't be anyone else. According to mikeymoo, Camlito actually approached him and just straight up told him his role. If he did that to anyone, a mafioso say, it would be very beneficial to the mafia as they'd just ignore him. Clearly, the mafia didn't know Camlito's identity. Both you and I did.


As for why they bombed the meth dealer. Camlito and I were discussing a plan in order to get the mafia to believe that he had medics on him and I would roleclaim as the meth dealer so that he could burn 2 mafia at once. Either it was a mistake they suicide bombed him or they wanted to catch one of the few medics left. That, or they wanted to give you a way to argue out. Either way, there was no one that did not know about Camlito and did know about amber and scara.

I keep going back to this one point, but it is solid. You and I are the only unclean people who could've possibly known this information. I have no sources (including scaramanga, who was the one spreading the information) who say otherwise.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
January 02 2009 21:01 GMT
#620
nevake, is it possible that out of the people who died, they leaked to other people? Obviously they can't talk.
I think Lucas is green/red. Not blue. Since there's so much against him and he'll probably get hit/boondocked/whatever tonight, maybe it's best to have DTs check lucas, lynch lucas, and hope for the best?
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