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I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them:
Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa?
Squall: Roll is outside parki-
Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait!
As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile.
Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!
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From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own.
Lakrismamma
+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > >
CynanMachae
+ Show Spoiler +A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll
Spetial
+ Show Spoiler + A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference
The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and ....
+ Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
TLDR
+ Show Spoiler +List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll
edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me.
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On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me.
well this is interesting
everybody appears to be attacking me now.
okay let's go over the clues.
First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from.
second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway.
third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades.
and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia.
here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so.
also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked?
one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused.
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On November 26 2008 08:53 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 08:45 Caller wrote:
Here's another one
Joxxor as Nelson
Joxxor sounds awfully like "Jock," which generally implies athletic and possibly attractive/handsome? Anyways his profile is a computer command for "You Fail," which could be linked to his taunting of randombum's killing (mockingly clapping his hands)
Also MTF, you could very well be that Rex guy. You did run for mayor after all, hinting Godfather/Traitor as a possibility, and you have that blue turtle with its mouth wide open. That could be the source of the scaly biting person.
JeeJee could very well be BB, they both rhyme and sound the same, and also BB takes pleasure, just as JeeJee has tears of joy to see tears of pain in his profile.
MidnightGladius has the spear in his profile, Mandalor could also be Myr as he has the spear in his profile. The only link I like out of all of those is JeeJee -> BB. The explanation of his name alongside the pleasure in pain quote looks good. Rex is supposed to be giant (and I know I'm not red, so there's that, too), Joxxor has no immediate connection to cleanliness, which I think is Nelson's leading clue, and MidnightGladius/Mandalor aren't connected by anything other than the spear. Though to be fair about the last portion, Mandalor has some strained hunter connection through Star Wars apparently.
going back to the joxxor comment
wouldn't it be possible to interpret the oxxo part of his name as hugs and kisses? that would certainly make sense considering he gave the madam a kiss.
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On November 26 2008 10:49 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me. well this is interesting everybody appears to be attacking me now. okay let's go over the clues. First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from. second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway. third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades. and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia. here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so. also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked? one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused.
Sorry, I did not know what a segway was. However, I would like to point out that the method to kill Versatile is unknown. It just says Roll ran over her [already] crushed body.
The statistics thing is that of all the people with clues related to roll, you and me have the biggest connections, this gives us a significantly higher chance of being mafia.
For the next paragraphs, I have no answer yet to this as I type this. I'll keep thinking on it.
As for the last part: Yes, it is the first time I've had anything meaningful to post. But I don't see how an attempt to defend myself is BS.
Yes you have been talking for a while. I think that a pardoner that is laying low would seem very suspicious. However, this is not a point for or against you as the logic can go both ways.
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On November 26 2008 10:49 Caller wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me. well this is interesting everybody appears to be attacking me now. okay let's go over the clues. First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from. second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway. third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades. and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia. here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so. also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked? one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused.
I have a feeling that he is mafia. I'll push some statistics myself. There is a 10/74 chance the Lucchese family could hit someone from the Yamaguchi family. Using a high end estimate, we'll call the odds 10/37 chance, or 27% that they would get a mafia member with 2 hits. .27^5 = 0.1%.
They obveously had more information if they managed to conduct their hits that accurately. Combine that with a random use of one of four pardons with no explanation and you have a high likelihood that caller is mafia.
One other suspicious action is that he wanted roles pmed to him before he ever was elected.
The real question is what can we do to prevent Caller from doing more damage from his position.
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we can lynch him , we have a double lynch today
I nominate myself for #2
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On November 26 2008 11:22 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 10:49 Caller wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me. well this is interesting everybody appears to be attacking me now. okay let's go over the clues. First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from. second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway. third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades. and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia. here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so. also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked? one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused. I have a feeling that he is mafia. I'll push some statistics myself. There is a 10/74 chance the Lucchese family could hit someone from the Yamaguchi family. Using a high end estimate, we'll call the odds 10/37 chance, or 27% that they would get a mafia member with 2 hits. .27^5 = 0.1%. They obveously had more information if they managed to conduct their hits that accurately. Combine that with a random use of one of four pardons with no explanation and you have a high likelihood that caller is mafia. One other suspicious action is that he wanted roles pmed to him before he ever was elected. The real question is what can we do to prevent Caller from doing more damage from his position.
funny, for someone thinking im suspicious i would've thought less scrupulous characters than say someone who has made his first post attacking me after being a plexzombie. Funny how this works out, doesn't it?
anyways to refute ur arguments
Ur using statistics here in a false way. Observe:
The people who died, i.e. blue_arrow, mynock, pyrrhoxia, randombum, et. al, were all posting like mad. If they were posting a lot, it makes them look like active townies. And what does a mafia do with active townies? kill them. it just happened that they flipped red. If I were mafia, would i be stupid enough to kill 5 of the other mafia and draw attention? of course not! If anything, as mafia, i would identify the 5 mafia members and keep them identified so that i could kill them all as soon as town was weak, not kill them on the first day.
Again, you're ignoring the fact that the bgs died. Why would i kill my own bgs? I wouldn't.
Again, you're ignoring my pure statistics of running before the goddamn roles were given out. 4/84. And according to Laxercannon, 2/84. Do you really think that that is as likely as what you think over there?
Now, I used my pardon on BloodyCobbler. Bloodycobbler is now dead and flipped green. i don't understand what's wrong with that, we couldve lynched a green for no reason. Are you saying that I shouldn't have pardoned him? We had no clues or evidence to show he was mafia, no point in lynching him!
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On November 26 2008 11:16 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 10:49 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me. well this is interesting everybody appears to be attacking me now. okay let's go over the clues. First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from. second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway. third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades. and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia. here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so. also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked? one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused. Sorry, I did not know what a segway was. However, I would like to point out that the method to kill Versatile is unknown. It just says Roll ran over her [already] crushed body. The statistics thing is that of all the people with clues related to roll, you and me have the biggest connections, this gives us a significantly higher chance of being mafia. For the next paragraphs, I have no answer yet to this as I type this. I'll keep thinking on it. As for the last part: Yes, it is the first time I've had anything meaningful to post. But I don't see how an attempt to defend myself is BS. Yes you have been talking for a while. I think that a pardoner that is laying low would seem very suspicious. However, this is not a point for or against you as the logic can go both ways.
how about the first part of us having "connections" being not connections? I've been connected to telephone clues multiple times, and even though i've had multiple "connections" ive flipped townie every single time.
And again, you can't park a segway. Its really hard to run over somebody with a segway. It's far easier to run someone over with a jeep. What I mean by BS is that you have come out of nowhere (you and Vivi57, perhaps working together nu?) to attack me based on flimsy evidence and through the same false statistics to make your case sound better when it is inherently flawed. And as for your last point, you're making it a lose-lose situation for me. If i don't say anything, im therefore mafia, if i say things, i'm therefore mafia. what kind of an argument is that?
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Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red?
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one more thing
mafia didn't roleclaim to me, there wasn't anybody like "HAI IM MAFIA KILL ME K THX" (no offense)
how the hell am i supposed to know whos mafia or not
more importantly, couldn't i do this whether or not i was pardonner or not? Anybody could have done this, like somebody with real good clue analysis (cough) Plexa. I fail to see how me being a prominent, CONFIRMED, innocent has anything to do with one mafia side taking a shitload of hits. In anycase, lynching me right now would just put town into chaos, which would only favor the winning mafia. If you guys really aren't the two mafia members from the lucheese/plexzombie army, i fail to see what you're trying to do here.
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On November 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red?
lol
i dont think mtf is supporting these guys somehow, even if he is mafia. he wouldnt have given me powers until i was checked otherwise, no? but he trusted me enough to give powers, so i dunno how that's going to work.
not to mention that you, vivi57, and you, laxercannon, were the ones that pushed MTF over the edge over me in the mayor's position. It seems like you're trying to set me up.
## I vote for Laxercannon and Vivi57
yes i voted in the other thread
and as for vivi57, i have a clue possibility-you are smith
after all, not quite halfway there is 24. 57 is pretty close though. You're also terse, just like Smith. And Smith is luccheese, just like I suspect you to be.
laxercannon addressed the rolling pretty well i think.
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Its because you defend yourself that you look so guilty Caller. If you were really role confirmed by a DT and everything is flowers and candy then why are you so quick to defend your role? I have thought you were mafia from the start, and things just keep getting worse for you.
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On November 26 2008 11:44 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Its because you defend yourself that you look so guilty Caller. If you were really role confirmed by a DT and everything is flowers and candy then why are you so quick to defend your role? I have thought you were mafia from the start, and things just keep getting worse for you.
The guy that was backing him up (Showtime!) died and turned out to be a DT. Caller should be clean.
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He did pardon Bloodycobbler though.
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On November 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red?
You really must think I'm retarded. Geez.
In any case, I PMed Caller about this and felt there was no reason not to put it up here:
MTF - 21
Lenwe
softer
ecomania
ninja4ever
bugltoonl
0cz3c
blue_arrow
Caller
Mynock
Amber[Light]
JeeJee
Heros)Pink
randombum
Qatol
Laxercannon <- Accusing Caller of being red.
Scaramanga
shadowdrgn
clazziquai
malongo
Plexa
Vivi57 <- Appearing out of nowhere to help accuse Caller.
Both of them helped boost me up over Caller in the mayoral election.
And Spiral above me determinedly advocated for Plexa to be mayor.
Edit: Bolding.
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On November 26 2008 11:38 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:16 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 10:49 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me. well this is interesting everybody appears to be attacking me now. okay let's go over the clues. First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from. second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway. third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades. and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia. here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so. also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked? one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused. Sorry, I did not know what a segway was. However, I would like to point out that the method to kill Versatile is unknown. It just says Roll ran over her [already] crushed body. The statistics thing is that of all the people with clues related to roll, you and me have the biggest connections, this gives us a significantly higher chance of being mafia. For the next paragraphs, I have no answer yet to this as I type this. I'll keep thinking on it. As for the last part: Yes, it is the first time I've had anything meaningful to post. But I don't see how an attempt to defend myself is BS. Yes you have been talking for a while. I think that a pardoner that is laying low would seem very suspicious. However, this is not a point for or against you as the logic can go both ways. how about the first part of us having "connections" being not connections? I've been connected to telephone clues multiple times, and even though i've had multiple "connections" ive flipped townie every single time. And again, you can't park a segway. Its really hard to run over somebody with a segway. It's far easier to run someone over with a jeep. What I mean by BS is that you have come out of nowhere (you and Vivi57, perhaps working together nu?) to attack me based on flimsy evidence and through the same false statistics to make your case sound better when it is inherently flawed. And as for your last point, you're making it a lose-lose situation for me. If i don't say anything, im therefore mafia, if i say things, i'm therefore mafia. what kind of an argument is that?
Could you explain the first paragraph part again? I think i'm turning stupid, but I can't understand that.
Okay, it's hard to run over someone with a segway. There's a possibility that Ace didn't know that when making the clues.
I already said that the last point goes no where, I just felt like responding to clarify.
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On November 26 2008 11:49 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:44 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Its because you defend yourself that you look so guilty Caller. If you were really role confirmed by a DT and everything is flowers and candy then why are you so quick to defend your role? I have thought you were mafia from the start, and things just keep getting worse for you. The guy that was backing him up (Showtime!) died and turned out to be a DT. Caller should be clean.
He could also be the Godfather or a Traitor. For the most part you are right though, he does seem to be clean...
How does advocating Plexa getting elected make me suspicious? Besides I made some shitty photoshop of Arnold hitting a joint and labeled it to be Caller, I hardly see how that and some random posts saying "OMG PLEXA 4 MAYOR" are anything more than an attempt to stir the voters a bit.
Edit: Btw Showtime is a DT? "40.)Showtime! Hooker"
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On November 26 2008 11:49 Fishball wrote:
He did pardon Bloodycobbler though.
and bloodycobbler turned up green. what do you know?
if he was red that wouldve been bad lolol
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On November 26 2008 11:44 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Its because you defend yourself that you look so guilty Caller. If you were really role confirmed by a DT and everything is flowers and candy then why are you so quick to defend your role? I have thought you were mafia from the start, and things just keep getting worse for you.
ok so i shouldn't defend myself and let people be like yeah that caller guy hes so guilty look at all this shit he did
no.
i'm defending my role because people keep saying stupid shit instead of either doing halfway decent clue analysis and i don't want anybody to be like "wait caller is mafia i shouldn't roleclaim to him" or "yeah lets kill caller hes not telling us anything" or anything stupid like that.
funny, i thought you were mafia from the start, and things just keep getting worse for you.
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On November 26 2008 11:50 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red? You really must think I'm retarded. Geez. In any case, I PMed Caller about this and felt there was no reason not to put it up here: MTF - 21 Lenwe softer ecomania ninja4ever bugltoonl 0cz3cblue_arrowCaller Mynock
Amber[Light]JeeJee Heros)Pink randombumQatol Laxercannon <- Accusing Caller of being red.Scaramanga shadowdrgn clazziquai malongoPlexa Vivi57 <- Appearing out of nowhere to help accuse Caller.Both of them helped boost me up over Caller in the mayoral election. And Spiral above me determinedly advocated for Plexa to be mayor. Edit: Bolding.
At the time when I voted for you, Plexa was close in votes to you. The case against Plexa was made and I felt that it was necessary to vote for you to widen the gap.
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