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On November 26 2008 11:49 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:44 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Its because you defend yourself that you look so guilty Caller. If you were really role confirmed by a DT and everything is flowers and candy then why are you so quick to defend your role? I have thought you were mafia from the start, and things just keep getting worse for you. The guy that was backing him up (Showtime!) died and turned out to be a DT. Caller should be clean.
Actually that was my bad. Showtime! was a hooker; KH10239 was the detective.
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On November 26 2008 11:56 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:44 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Its because you defend yourself that you look so guilty Caller. If you were really role confirmed by a DT and everything is flowers and candy then why are you so quick to defend your role? I have thought you were mafia from the start, and things just keep getting worse for you. ok so i shouldn't defend myself and let people be like yeah that caller guy hes so guilty look at all this shit he did no. i'm defending my role because people keep saying stupid shit instead of either doing halfway decent clue analysis and i don't want anybody to be like "wait caller is mafia i shouldn't roleclaim to him" or "yeah lets kill caller hes not telling us anything" or anything stupid like that. funny, i thought you were mafia from the start, and things just keep getting worse for you.
Lol. I rest my case.
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On November 26 2008 11:49 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:44 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Its because you defend yourself that you look so guilty Caller. If you were really role confirmed by a DT and everything is flowers and candy then why are you so quick to defend your role? I have thought you were mafia from the start, and things just keep getting worse for you. The guy that was backing him up (Showtime!) died and turned out to be a DT. Caller should be clean.
Sorry for double post but, I just want to say that Showtime! was a hooker. It would be beneficial to have a hooker on your side, mafia or not.
Edit: whoops, I'm too slow
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On November 26 2008 11:56 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:50 MTF wrote:On November 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red? You really must think I'm retarded. Geez. In any case, I PMed Caller about this and felt there was no reason not to put it up here: MTF - 21 Lenwe softer ecomania ninja4ever bugltoonl 0cz3cblue_arrowCaller Mynock
Amber[Light]JeeJee Heros)Pink randombumQatol Laxercannon <- Accusing Caller of being red.Scaramanga shadowdrgn clazziquai malongoPlexa Vivi57 <- Appearing out of nowhere to help accuse Caller.Both of them helped boost me up over Caller in the mayoral election. And Spiral above me determinedly advocated for Plexa to be mayor. Edit: Bolding. At the time when I voted for you, Plexa was close in votes to you. The case against Plexa was made and I felt that it was necessary to vote for you to widen the gap.
and yet you initially voted for plexa and didnt state your reason why
then you swapped and didn't state your reason why
more importantly this all happened at 3am in the morning eastern time, and it was very, very coordinated (but disorganized). Am i to believe that everybody just happened to switch votes 20 minutes before the deadline?
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On November 26 2008 11:53 SpiralArchitect wrote:
How does advocating Plexa getting elected make me suspicious? Besides I made some shitty photoshop of Arnold hitting a joint and labeled it to be Caller, I hardly see how that and some random posts saying "OMG PLEXA 4 MAYOR" are anything more than an attempt to stir the voters a bit.
Because there was a huge movement against putting Plexa in at the time that you started your campaigning. Also, you campaigned not just for Plexa, but against Caller and I, in however a playful tone.
If you didn't notice that at the time, then don't fault us for it.
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On November 26 2008 11:58 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:56 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:50 MTF wrote:On November 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red? You really must think I'm retarded. Geez. In any case, I PMed Caller about this and felt there was no reason not to put it up here: MTF - 21 Lenwe softer ecomania ninja4ever bugltoonl 0cz3cblue_arrowCaller Mynock
Amber[Light]JeeJee Heros)Pink randombumQatol Laxercannon <- Accusing Caller of being red.Scaramanga shadowdrgn clazziquai malongoPlexa Vivi57 <- Appearing out of nowhere to help accuse Caller.Both of them helped boost me up over Caller in the mayoral election. And Spiral above me determinedly advocated for Plexa to be mayor. Edit: Bolding. At the time when I voted for you, Plexa was close in votes to you. The case against Plexa was made and I felt that it was necessary to vote for you to widen the gap. and yet you initially voted for plexa and didnt state your reason why then you swapped and didn't state your reason why more importantly this all happened at 3am in the morning eastern time, and it was very, very coordinated (but disorganized). Am i to believe that everybody just happened to switch votes 20 minutes before the deadline?
Actually, I went from Abstain to MTF. I can quote all my posts if you want [there are only a few].
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On November 26 2008 11:53 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:38 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:16 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 10:49 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me. well this is interesting everybody appears to be attacking me now. okay let's go over the clues. First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from. second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway. third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades. and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia. here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so. also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked? one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused. Sorry, I did not know what a segway was. However, I would like to point out that the method to kill Versatile is unknown. It just says Roll ran over her [already] crushed body. The statistics thing is that of all the people with clues related to roll, you and me have the biggest connections, this gives us a significantly higher chance of being mafia. For the next paragraphs, I have no answer yet to this as I type this. I'll keep thinking on it. As for the last part: Yes, it is the first time I've had anything meaningful to post. But I don't see how an attempt to defend myself is BS. Yes you have been talking for a while. I think that a pardoner that is laying low would seem very suspicious. However, this is not a point for or against you as the logic can go both ways. how about the first part of us having "connections" being not connections? I've been connected to telephone clues multiple times, and even though i've had multiple "connections" ive flipped townie every single time. And again, you can't park a segway. Its really hard to run over somebody with a segway. It's far easier to run someone over with a jeep. What I mean by BS is that you have come out of nowhere (you and Vivi57, perhaps working together nu?) to attack me based on flimsy evidence and through the same false statistics to make your case sound better when it is inherently flawed. And as for your last point, you're making it a lose-lose situation for me. If i don't say anything, im therefore mafia, if i say things, i'm therefore mafia. what kind of an argument is that? Could you explain the first paragraph part again? I think i'm turning stupid, but I can't understand that. Okay, it's hard to run over someone with a segway. There's a possibility that Ace didn't know that when making the clues. I already said that the last point goes no where, I just felt like responding to clarify.
your reasons are getting more desperate by the second. ace is a pretty smart guy and i think he can tell its hard to crush somebody with a man-sized object by running them over on it.
again, this is a very coordinated attack here. three people at the same time attacking me? gosh i wish the town was as active and coordinated.
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On November 26 2008 12:00 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:58 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:56 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:50 MTF wrote:On November 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red? You really must think I'm retarded. Geez. In any case, I PMed Caller about this and felt there was no reason not to put it up here: MTF - 21 Lenwe softer ecomania ninja4ever bugltoonl 0cz3cblue_arrowCaller Mynock
Amber[Light]JeeJee Heros)Pink randombumQatol Laxercannon <- Accusing Caller of being red.Scaramanga shadowdrgn clazziquai malongoPlexa Vivi57 <- Appearing out of nowhere to help accuse Caller.Both of them helped boost me up over Caller in the mayoral election. And Spiral above me determinedly advocated for Plexa to be mayor. Edit: Bolding. At the time when I voted for you, Plexa was close in votes to you. The case against Plexa was made and I felt that it was necessary to vote for you to widen the gap. and yet you initially voted for plexa and didnt state your reason why then you swapped and didn't state your reason why more importantly this all happened at 3am in the morning eastern time, and it was very, very coordinated (but disorganized). Am i to believe that everybody just happened to switch votes 20 minutes before the deadline? Actually, I went from Abstain to MTF. I can quote all my posts if you want [there are only a few].
my bad, youre right. i meant vivi57.
wait, so instead of voting for me, you voted for mtf to push him PAST me. plexa was clearly behind already as his followers deserted, i dunno how this worked out, i was even up then and watched the events unfold.
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On November 26 2008 12:00 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:53 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:38 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:16 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 10:49 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me. well this is interesting everybody appears to be attacking me now. okay let's go over the clues. First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from. second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway. third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades. and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia. here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so. also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked? one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused. Sorry, I did not know what a segway was. However, I would like to point out that the method to kill Versatile is unknown. It just says Roll ran over her [already] crushed body. The statistics thing is that of all the people with clues related to roll, you and me have the biggest connections, this gives us a significantly higher chance of being mafia. For the next paragraphs, I have no answer yet to this as I type this. I'll keep thinking on it. As for the last part: Yes, it is the first time I've had anything meaningful to post. But I don't see how an attempt to defend myself is BS. Yes you have been talking for a while. I think that a pardoner that is laying low would seem very suspicious. However, this is not a point for or against you as the logic can go both ways. how about the first part of us having "connections" being not connections? I've been connected to telephone clues multiple times, and even though i've had multiple "connections" ive flipped townie every single time. And again, you can't park a segway. Its really hard to run over somebody with a segway. It's far easier to run someone over with a jeep. What I mean by BS is that you have come out of nowhere (you and Vivi57, perhaps working together nu?) to attack me based on flimsy evidence and through the same false statistics to make your case sound better when it is inherently flawed. And as for your last point, you're making it a lose-lose situation for me. If i don't say anything, im therefore mafia, if i say things, i'm therefore mafia. what kind of an argument is that? Could you explain the first paragraph part again? I think i'm turning stupid, but I can't understand that. Okay, it's hard to run over someone with a segway. There's a possibility that Ace didn't know that when making the clues. I already said that the last point goes no where, I just felt like responding to clarify. your reasons are getting more desperate by the second. ace is a pretty smart guy and i think he can tell its hard to crush somebody with a man-sized object by running them over on it. again, this is a very coordinated attack here. three people at the same time attacking me? gosh i wish the town was as active and coordinated.
Actually, I was confused about this part "how about the first part of us having "connections" being not connections? I've been connected to telephone clues multiple times, and even though i've had multiple "connections" ive flipped townie every single time.".
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On November 26 2008 12:02 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 12:00 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:53 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:38 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:16 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 10:49 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me. well this is interesting everybody appears to be attacking me now. okay let's go over the clues. First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from. second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway. third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades. and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia. here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so. also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked? one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused. Sorry, I did not know what a segway was. However, I would like to point out that the method to kill Versatile is unknown. It just says Roll ran over her [already] crushed body. The statistics thing is that of all the people with clues related to roll, you and me have the biggest connections, this gives us a significantly higher chance of being mafia. For the next paragraphs, I have no answer yet to this as I type this. I'll keep thinking on it. As for the last part: Yes, it is the first time I've had anything meaningful to post. But I don't see how an attempt to defend myself is BS. Yes you have been talking for a while. I think that a pardoner that is laying low would seem very suspicious. However, this is not a point for or against you as the logic can go both ways. how about the first part of us having "connections" being not connections? I've been connected to telephone clues multiple times, and even though i've had multiple "connections" ive flipped townie every single time. And again, you can't park a segway. Its really hard to run over somebody with a segway. It's far easier to run someone over with a jeep. What I mean by BS is that you have come out of nowhere (you and Vivi57, perhaps working together nu?) to attack me based on flimsy evidence and through the same false statistics to make your case sound better when it is inherently flawed. And as for your last point, you're making it a lose-lose situation for me. If i don't say anything, im therefore mafia, if i say things, i'm therefore mafia. what kind of an argument is that? Could you explain the first paragraph part again? I think i'm turning stupid, but I can't understand that. Okay, it's hard to run over someone with a segway. There's a possibility that Ace didn't know that when making the clues. I already said that the last point goes no where, I just felt like responding to clarify. your reasons are getting more desperate by the second. ace is a pretty smart guy and i think he can tell its hard to crush somebody with a man-sized object by running them over on it. again, this is a very coordinated attack here. three people at the same time attacking me? gosh i wish the town was as active and coordinated. Actually, I was confused about this part "how about the first part of us having "connections" being not connections? I've been connected to telephone clues multiple times, and even though i've had multiple "connections" ive flipped townie every single time.".
its simple really, sure i may have connections to the rolling (abet tenously as south korean soldiers on segways is a bit of a stretch to hitting somebody with a car) but that may not even be the point of the clue. The clue's intention may not imply so much as rolling on a segway, more like using a car. and between you and lakrismamma, both of u are pretty suspicious, abet for different characters me thinks.
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On November 26 2008 11:59 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:53 SpiralArchitect wrote:
How does advocating Plexa getting elected make me suspicious? Besides I made some shitty photoshop of Arnold hitting a joint and labeled it to be Caller, I hardly see how that and some random posts saying "OMG PLEXA 4 MAYOR" are anything more than an attempt to stir the voters a bit. Because there was a huge movement against putting Plexa in at the time that you started your campaigning. Also, you campaigned not just for Plexa, but against Caller and I, in however a playful tone. If you didn't notice that at the time, then don't fault us for it.
But since when did Plexa become a bad guy, is he mafia? Am I missing something? As far as I can tell you and Caller have been working together to get into a position of power under the plan of destroying the mafia with your amazing clue analysis. As of yet 4/5 bodyguards are dead (AoCs fault) 2 paramedics and a DT are also dead. 3 Mafia died, including the AoC. Seems to me like the two of you are unfit for your positions aye?
If anyone looked suspicious during the campaign stage it was you and Caller. The only two candidates that pretty much ran on the same ticket, trying to become elected together. Yet you still try and implicate Plexa after he made a one line post stating that he would like to become Pardoner. I fail to see where Plexa has doubt cast on him and where you guys don't.
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On November 26 2008 12:05 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 12:02 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 12:00 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:53 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:38 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:16 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 10:49 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 10:35 LaXerCannon wrote:I will start with the sentences that have the word Roll in them: Cloud: Where's Roll? Serge? Squall? Santa? Squall: Roll is outside parki- Serge: Roll and Squall went to get back up! Shouldn't we wait! As the oil stains line his wake, Roll reverses over the crushed body of Versatile. Roll: I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE! ***** From these few sentences, google images, and Clazziquai's profile list [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82424], I have tried to make some connections of my own. Lakrismamma+ Show Spoiler +can I ride with you -in your BMW?
This car reference has obvious connections to Roll. Though it is weaker than mine > > A very very very weak connection here:
A quick google shows a video of N64 DK's Jungle Parkway. Race = Vehicles = Roll A quick google search found : Spetial vehicles. Another Vehicles = Roll reference The above three are very weak. However, the biggest connection I've found were myself [thanks MTF] and .... + Show Spoiler +Caller
I'll go with the hard facts first:
Caller's display picture shows men on very primitive vehicles. However, the thing that really made me pay attention to this connection was when Roll said "I WILL MEET YOU BACK AT BASE!". The picture with the police force (army?) really connected with this phrase.
I believe that Caller is the Godfather Lucchese. Caller has been pushing everything on statistics: the fact that he has a standard chance of becoming a mafia, and the fact that the probability of him being a godfather is low. I also don't think he is a traitor because he has clues pointing to him.
He claimed to have been checked by a DT. These are some scenarios:
Caller is Mafia
Faked being checked -> DT can't confirm amongst themselves -> Caller can't be proven
Faked being checked -> DT checks and finds him mafia -> DT must speak up
I used to think that one of these two scenarios were possible. However, the next one is more realistic:
Godfather -> DT checks and sees him as a townie -> Current situation.
Of course, Caller can also be non-mafia, but I chose not to do those scenarios. Reasons are explained in the TLDR section
Day 2 has already casted suspicion upon Caller.
List of people related to Roll : LaXerCannon, Cynanmachae, Lakrismamma, Spetial, Caller. However, by looking at the clues, only two are strongly connected : LaXerCannon and Caller. THERE IS A VERY VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT EITHER ME OR CALLER IS MAFIA, There IS a chance for both of us to be innocent: but I doubt it. The clues linked to other people were too weak. I would not expect town to lynch Caller first. Therefore, if I get lynched this round, i'll flip green and hopefully people will continue to analyze this connection. Caller = Roll edit: Just a ninja addition, if I have said anything wrong, please tell me. well this is interesting everybody appears to be attacking me now. okay let's go over the clues. First of all, in my picture, the soldiers may have wheels, but there isn't a car. No car. Just because something has wheels doesn't mean it has to do with roll, although i see where you're coming from. second of all, there is a hint that roll is parki- (parking the car). there are no cars in my picture. and its hard to park a segway. third of all have you tried running someone over with a segway? more importantly, have you tried reversing over somebody with a segway? those things aren't that heavy, if anything it wouldn't crush somebody, it'd be like running over them with a lawn mower moins blades. and what's wrong with statistics, your argument that either one of us is mafia is also based on statistics, although from what i see you're getting at i have a 2/84 chance of being godfather, and either one of us has a very high chance that we were mafia. here's another thing: if i were the godfather luchesse, i would be very ambiguous right now, or i would be focusing on all the families. but no, i'm very carefully avoiding discussing my thoughts on the remaining yamaguchi family members, because its best for town to do so. also, again, if i were godfather, why would i kill all my bodyguards on the first day? that's just crazy. It'd open me up to hits. If anything i'd intend to stay in power as much as i could. more importantly, why would i order mtf to be roleblocked? one more thing: this is i believe the first time you've had anything meaningful to post in the entire thread. you only started talking after you had been accused. what kind of bs is that? i've been talking for a while, even with or without being accused. Sorry, I did not know what a segway was. However, I would like to point out that the method to kill Versatile is unknown. It just says Roll ran over her [already] crushed body. The statistics thing is that of all the people with clues related to roll, you and me have the biggest connections, this gives us a significantly higher chance of being mafia. For the next paragraphs, I have no answer yet to this as I type this. I'll keep thinking on it. As for the last part: Yes, it is the first time I've had anything meaningful to post. But I don't see how an attempt to defend myself is BS. Yes you have been talking for a while. I think that a pardoner that is laying low would seem very suspicious. However, this is not a point for or against you as the logic can go both ways. how about the first part of us having "connections" being not connections? I've been connected to telephone clues multiple times, and even though i've had multiple "connections" ive flipped townie every single time. And again, you can't park a segway. Its really hard to run over somebody with a segway. It's far easier to run someone over with a jeep. What I mean by BS is that you have come out of nowhere (you and Vivi57, perhaps working together nu?) to attack me based on flimsy evidence and through the same false statistics to make your case sound better when it is inherently flawed. And as for your last point, you're making it a lose-lose situation for me. If i don't say anything, im therefore mafia, if i say things, i'm therefore mafia. what kind of an argument is that? Could you explain the first paragraph part again? I think i'm turning stupid, but I can't understand that. Okay, it's hard to run over someone with a segway. There's a possibility that Ace didn't know that when making the clues. I already said that the last point goes no where, I just felt like responding to clarify. your reasons are getting more desperate by the second. ace is a pretty smart guy and i think he can tell its hard to crush somebody with a man-sized object by running them over on it. again, this is a very coordinated attack here. three people at the same time attacking me? gosh i wish the town was as active and coordinated. Actually, I was confused about this part "how about the first part of us having "connections" being not connections? I've been connected to telephone clues multiple times, and even though i've had multiple "connections" ive flipped townie every single time.". its simple really, sure i may have connections to the rolling (abet tenously as south korean soldiers on segways is a bit of a stretch to hitting somebody with a car) but that may not even be the point of the clue. The clue's intention may not imply so much as rolling on a segway, more like using a car. and between you and lakrismamma, both of u are pretty suspicious, abet for different characters me thinks.
I see, thanks for clarifying
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On November 26 2008 12:01 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 12:00 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:58 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:56 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:50 MTF wrote:On November 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red? You really must think I'm retarded. Geez. In any case, I PMed Caller about this and felt there was no reason not to put it up here: MTF - 21 Lenwe softer ecomania ninja4ever bugltoonl 0cz3cblue_arrowCaller Mynock
Amber[Light]JeeJee Heros)Pink randombumQatol Laxercannon <- Accusing Caller of being red.Scaramanga shadowdrgn clazziquai malongoPlexa Vivi57 <- Appearing out of nowhere to help accuse Caller.Both of them helped boost me up over Caller in the mayoral election. And Spiral above me determinedly advocated for Plexa to be mayor. Edit: Bolding. At the time when I voted for you, Plexa was close in votes to you. The case against Plexa was made and I felt that it was necessary to vote for you to widen the gap. and yet you initially voted for plexa and didnt state your reason why then you swapped and didn't state your reason why more importantly this all happened at 3am in the morning eastern time, and it was very, very coordinated (but disorganized). Am i to believe that everybody just happened to switch votes 20 minutes before the deadline? Actually, I went from Abstain to MTF. I can quote all my posts if you want [there are only a few]. my bad, youre right. i meant vivi57. wait, so instead of voting for me, you voted for mtf to push him PAST me. plexa was clearly behind already as his followers deserted, i dunno how this worked out, i was even up then and watched the events unfold.
Now that I look back and read a bit, I remembered that I thought you were an idiot [no offense ><] because of the beginning of your campaign and thought MTF was better suited as mayor.
Edit: bleh, sorry for double post
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On November 26 2008 12:07 SpiralArchitect wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:59 MTF wrote:On November 26 2008 11:53 SpiralArchitect wrote:
How does advocating Plexa getting elected make me suspicious? Besides I made some shitty photoshop of Arnold hitting a joint and labeled it to be Caller, I hardly see how that and some random posts saying "OMG PLEXA 4 MAYOR" are anything more than an attempt to stir the voters a bit. Because there was a huge movement against putting Plexa in at the time that you started your campaigning. Also, you campaigned not just for Plexa, but against Caller and I, in however a playful tone. If you didn't notice that at the time, then don't fault us for it. But since when did Plexa become a bad guy, is he mafia? Am I missing something? As far as I can tell you and Caller have been working together to get into a position of power under the plan of destroying the mafia with your amazing clue analysis. As of yet 4/5 bodyguards are dead (AoCs fault) 2 paramedics and a DT are also dead. 3 Mafia died, including the AoC. Seems to me like the two of you are unfit for your positions aye? If anyone looked suspicious during the campaign stage it was you and Caller. The only two candidates that pretty much ran on the same ticket, trying to become elected together. Yet you still try and implicate Plexa after he made a one line post stating that he would like to become Pardoner. I fail to see where Plexa has doubt cast on him and where you guys don't.
wait what does 4/5 bodyguards have anything to do with AoC
there is no aoc the aoc can only work if he/she is in office. they cant just use themselves randomly, are you on crack
and why would we kill our own bodyguards, we'd end up getting owned by mafia/freelance vigilantes (hahaha).
Why would plexa not be posting? Why hasn't he said anything here? Why isn't he analyzing clues? this whole thing is very weird.
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On November 26 2008 12:10 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 12:01 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 12:00 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:58 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:56 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:50 MTF wrote:On November 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red? You really must think I'm retarded. Geez. In any case, I PMed Caller about this and felt there was no reason not to put it up here: MTF - 21 Lenwe softer ecomania ninja4ever bugltoonl 0cz3cblue_arrowCaller Mynock
Amber[Light]JeeJee Heros)Pink randombumQatol Laxercannon <- Accusing Caller of being red.Scaramanga shadowdrgn clazziquai malongoPlexa Vivi57 <- Appearing out of nowhere to help accuse Caller.Both of them helped boost me up over Caller in the mayoral election. And Spiral above me determinedly advocated for Plexa to be mayor. Edit: Bolding. At the time when I voted for you, Plexa was close in votes to you. The case against Plexa was made and I felt that it was necessary to vote for you to widen the gap. and yet you initially voted for plexa and didnt state your reason why then you swapped and didn't state your reason why more importantly this all happened at 3am in the morning eastern time, and it was very, very coordinated (but disorganized). Am i to believe that everybody just happened to switch votes 20 minutes before the deadline? Actually, I went from Abstain to MTF. I can quote all my posts if you want [there are only a few]. my bad, youre right. i meant vivi57. wait, so instead of voting for me, you voted for mtf to push him PAST me. plexa was clearly behind already as his followers deserted, i dunno how this worked out, i was even up then and watched the events unfold. Now that I look back and read a bit, I remembered that I thought you were an idiot [no offense ><] because of the beginning of your campaign and thought MTF was better suited as mayor. Edit: bleh, sorry for double post
lol its fine
im still not changing my vote though
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On November 26 2008 12:07 SpiralArchitect wrote:
But since when did Plexa become a bad guy, is he mafia? Am I missing something? As far as I can tell you and Caller have been working together to get into a position of power under the plan of destroying the mafia with your amazing clue analysis. As of yet 4/5 bodyguards are dead (AoCs fault) 2 paramedics and a DT are also dead. 3 Mafia died, including the AoC. Seems to me like the two of you are unfit for your positions aye?
If anyone looked suspicious during the campaign stage it was you and Caller. The only two candidates that pretty much ran on the same ticket, trying to become elected together. Yet you still try and implicate Plexa after he made a one line post stating that he would like to become Pardoner. I fail to see where Plexa has doubt cast on him and where you guys don't.
This is what you missed:
+ Show Spoiler +The Case Against Plexa & Co.First, Plexa puts himself up for candidacy: On November 17 2008 16:22 Plexa wrote:Hi everyone, i think i'd be a good candidate for pardoner  i dont have the huge plans like past mayors have had but i do play a very good supporting character! And will assist ably in the victory of the town! I wouldn't call this out of character for Plexa. It's just a short, friendly post saying he'd like to be considered. I myself voted for him because I want him to stay alive and, having played closely with him before, know he can organize town. However, then the vote list got put up, with me and Plexa tied with six each, which led to: + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2008 22:44 Showtime! wrote:
Why in the blue hell do people want MTF as mayor?
He's one of the worst clue interpreters I've ever seen. Sure, he puts a lot of effort into it but Jesus he's usually wrong.
##I'll stand by my single vote for Caller in the meantime. That is unless he's decided to stop running.
EDIT (just wanted to add new info): Ver, I agree. Perhaps you should run for mayor, but keep in mind all the sheep are likely going to vote for Plexa (decent choice) or MTF (I think everyone knows where I stand on this one now).
I've played with Caller in the past. He's smart. :. I stand by him for now. and + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2008 23:11 Showtime! wrote:
MTF commits a lot of red herrings and he goes off on many different tangents. It's very bad.
Last game it was his downfall. He was trying effortlessly to get the Town off the mafia's tail and it failed horribly.
Clue interpretation is only but one side to the coin. We need someone who is fairly organized and has clear thoughts. Someone such as Caller or yourself.
Plexa would be an ideal candidate for Pardoner. He's great at writing articles, but how good is he at running a Town?
Plexa most likely got a Specialty Role this time around as there are many. Now, Showtime has no reason to hate me, so I know he's not defacing me for the sake of anomosity. He also ignored the fact that I was extremely accurate in Chuiu's second game of Mafia and instead displays town's excellent game in Chuiu's third game as proof against my abilities. At the very same time, he's saying that Plexa should get in as Pardoner, and then pretends to play devils' advocate by saying "but how good is he really?" without answering. I think he may have been trying to bait someone into answering for him so he didn't have to do all the promotion himself. Finally, he asserts that Plexa may be blue this game, just because of their numbers. All very weak and heavy-handed. It's a pretty obvious attempt to sway people to vote Plexa instead of me as we were neck and neck in votes at the time of his posting. And then came the nails in the coffin: + Show Spoiler +On November 18 2008 01:05 KlassyK wrote:
Having read/skimmed over ~17 pages, ## I vote Plexa for Mayor
I've read games that have been played on here, and I think Plexa has the intelligence and leadership ability to run the town well. On November 18 2008 03:54 mischief6000 wrote:
Having read/skimmed over 20 pages, ## I vote Plexa for Mayor
I think Plexa has the intelligence and leadership ability to run the town I can't help feeling sorry for Plexa, as the Showtime stuff only made him suspect to me, but this mistake by mischief and Klassy is going to bury their chances. I now strongly suspect he is an AoC or Godfather, and that Showtime, mischief, and Klassy are mafia in his family. I would kindly like to ask everyone who voted Plexa now to rescind your votes and place them elsewhere, as I truly feel we've got four mafia at the very beginning of this game.
That turned out to be wrong in so many ways, but it had general support and several people stated (including Showtime and Ver) that we should avoid Plexa getting into office.
As for you thinking that Caller and me are working together, your ideas are pretty faulty there; Caller never wanted me in office, neither did Showtime! or Ver for that matter. I didn't want Caller in office over Ver. But when it came to notice that Plexa was above everybody else at the time, the votes split and it seems mafia bandwagoned on me to put me in, first into office at all and then into the mayoral spot.
And Caller still thinks I'm mafia, so. :p
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Is there going to be an organized vote...
or are we just going for it?
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On November 26 2008 12:07 SpiralArchitect wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 11:59 MTF wrote:On November 26 2008 11:53 SpiralArchitect wrote:
How does advocating Plexa getting elected make me suspicious? Besides I made some shitty photoshop of Arnold hitting a joint and labeled it to be Caller, I hardly see how that and some random posts saying "OMG PLEXA 4 MAYOR" are anything more than an attempt to stir the voters a bit. Because there was a huge movement against putting Plexa in at the time that you started your campaigning. Also, you campaigned not just for Plexa, but against Caller and I, in however a playful tone. If you didn't notice that at the time, then don't fault us for it. If anyone looked suspicious during the campaign stage it was you and Caller. The only two candidates that pretty much ran on the same ticket, trying to become elected together. Yet you still try and implicate Plexa after he made a one line post stating that he would like to become Pardoner. I fail to see where Plexa has doubt cast on him and where you guys don't.
Absolutely false. Plexa's army of zombies looked far more suspicious than MTF and Caller during the election. He barely ran a campaign, he's still not really a part of this game (though, I guess he could be writing articles), and he managed to get considerable enthusiastic support. Caller wasn't at all suspicious from what I can recall; what are you specifically referring to? It almost seems like you're pointing back at things that never existed (or that I've most likely forgotten, in which case, enlighten me.  )
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On November 26 2008 12:12 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 12:10 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 12:01 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 12:00 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:58 Caller wrote:On November 26 2008 11:56 LaXerCannon wrote:On November 26 2008 11:50 MTF wrote:On November 26 2008 11:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
Seems to me like MTF is in the mafia and his family of mafiosos are taking this opportunity to kill off Caller, who is the effective mayor. If MTF asserts any more power, he'll be sure to be lynched.
Are you mafia, vivi57? Remember how your buddies responded earlier (they didn't). They were killed and found to be red. Are you red? You really must think I'm retarded. Geez. In any case, I PMed Caller about this and felt there was no reason not to put it up here: MTF - 21 Lenwe softer ecomania ninja4ever bugltoonl 0cz3cblue_arrowCaller Mynock
Amber[Light]JeeJee Heros)Pink randombumQatol Laxercannon <- Accusing Caller of being red.Scaramanga shadowdrgn clazziquai malongoPlexa Vivi57 <- Appearing out of nowhere to help accuse Caller.Both of them helped boost me up over Caller in the mayoral election. And Spiral above me determinedly advocated for Plexa to be mayor. Edit: Bolding. At the time when I voted for you, Plexa was close in votes to you. The case against Plexa was made and I felt that it was necessary to vote for you to widen the gap. and yet you initially voted for plexa and didnt state your reason why then you swapped and didn't state your reason why more importantly this all happened at 3am in the morning eastern time, and it was very, very coordinated (but disorganized). Am i to believe that everybody just happened to switch votes 20 minutes before the deadline? Actually, I went from Abstain to MTF. I can quote all my posts if you want [there are only a few]. my bad, youre right. i meant vivi57. wait, so instead of voting for me, you voted for mtf to push him PAST me. plexa was clearly behind already as his followers deserted, i dunno how this worked out, i was even up then and watched the events unfold. Now that I look back and read a bit, I remembered that I thought you were an idiot [no offense ><] because of the beginning of your campaign and thought MTF was better suited as mayor. Edit: bleh, sorry for double post lol its fine im still not changing my vote though
Well, I don't have anything else to say in my defense. I'll just sit tight for now.
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On November 26 2008 12:11 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2008 12:07 SpiralArchitect wrote:On November 26 2008 11:59 MTF wrote:On November 26 2008 11:53 SpiralArchitect wrote:
How does advocating Plexa getting elected make me suspicious? Besides I made some shitty photoshop of Arnold hitting a joint and labeled it to be Caller, I hardly see how that and some random posts saying "OMG PLEXA 4 MAYOR" are anything more than an attempt to stir the voters a bit. Because there was a huge movement against putting Plexa in at the time that you started your campaigning. Also, you campaigned not just for Plexa, but against Caller and I, in however a playful tone. If you didn't notice that at the time, then don't fault us for it. But since when did Plexa become a bad guy, is he mafia? Am I missing something? As far as I can tell you and Caller have been working together to get into a position of power under the plan of destroying the mafia with your amazing clue analysis. As of yet 4/5 bodyguards are dead (AoCs fault) 2 paramedics and a DT are also dead. 3 Mafia died, including the AoC. Seems to me like the two of you are unfit for your positions aye? If anyone looked suspicious during the campaign stage it was you and Caller. The only two candidates that pretty much ran on the same ticket, trying to become elected together. Yet you still try and implicate Plexa after he made a one line post stating that he would like to become Pardoner. I fail to see where Plexa has doubt cast on him and where you guys don't. wait what does 4/5 bodyguards have anything to do with AoC there is no aoc the aoc can only work if he/she is in office. they cant just use themselves randomly, are you on crack and why would we kill our own bodyguards, we'd end up getting owned by mafia/freelance vigilantes (hahaha). Why would plexa not be posting? Why hasn't he said anything here? Why isn't he analyzing clues? this whole thing is very weird.
I assumed since 4/5 died last night and teh AoC died on the same night that they died for that reason. I also was unclear since the description does not say "You can only do this if elected" It say the town may be in trouble if an AoC is elected to office.
You would kill your own body guards to say exactly what you just said. Why would someone who is mafia need bodyguards eh? Operating under the assumption that you are indeed mafia or MTF is, or both of your are, everything that has happened so far is in your favor. Four out of five dying means nothing if you do not need to be protected, both paramedics are dead and a DT is dead. While the mafia has only lost one prominent figure, which was useless unless elected to office.
Not posting is not a good reason to cast suspicion on someone. Especially when not a single clue has pointed to Plexa this entire game. He could be busy in RL or on TL doing things, either way not posting is not suspicious, its lazy and not good for the game but its clearly not suspicious. Plexa is very good at analyzing clues from what I hear and the two of you have advocated his guilt since the beginning of the game. Plexa dieing would be in your advantage, I find it funny that you are still trying to push for his guilt without ever really going all out about it. I think it is because you want Plexa to be dead but you want someone else to do the dirty work so you arent noticed as mafia.
Clearly nobody really payed attention during the campaign because I have no idea how someone so blatantly clueless or someone is who obviously working towards mafia motives got elected.
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