EPTOn November 26 2008 03:06 lakrismamma wrote:Caller you should probably tell us who you shared your rolelist with if you dont want us to suspect you...
Haha yeah, and then the mafia kills everyone he mentions. Great plan.
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
Haha yeah, and then the mafia kills everyone he mentions. Great plan. | ||
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
I dont know how caller can prove his innocence then. The only other option to him beeing mafia is if MTF is and got the bodyguards killed, and someone in calles sphere who got the rolelists killed the family. edit spelling | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 26 2008 03:10 ShadowDrgn wrote: Haha yeah, and then the mafia kills everyone he mentions. Great plan. exactly. ive already been cleared by a dt (kh1031) why is everybody suspecting me all of a sudden? the fact that not all of the dts that contacted me died implies something. just because i have all the roles doesn't mean that something bad happened. if anything, what most likely happened was silly mafia let themselves get infiltrated by other mafia. but i digress: we need to go after the largest family right now. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 26 2008 03:15 lakrismamma wrote: That is true Im stupid. I dont know how caller can prove his innocence then. The only other option to him beeing mafia is if MTF is and got the bodyguards killed, and someone in calles sphere who got the rolelists killed the family. edit spelling or maybe its b/c the bgs were posting really stupidly lol the kind of posting they did suggests mafia behavior, not to mention they were on everybody except mine's suspect lists. as a result mafia would be likely to hit them thinking they were other mafia, when in fact they were just bgs T_T also mtf i suggest double lynching today. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
On November 26 2008 02:46 MTF wrote: All accounted for, one bodyguard was killed off by the Yamaguchi-guri and three were killed off by the Lucchese. I know people are looking at me and Caller right now, more particularly me, but I'm wondering why anyone would think that it'd make any sense at all for either of us to kill off bodyguards. The only way that makes sense is to incriminate the other or to take down town structure. But, as I had very limited access to the roles that people claimed it doesn't make sense for Caller to do this, so it isn't likely that he'd have orchestrated it. For my own part, if I wanted to kill off all the bodyguards and leave Caller exposed, why wouldn't I kill all five? It doesn't make sense, at all; you'd have to assume I'd want moresuspicion on myself for me to pull something like that. You didn't kill all 5 because that would have left you vulnerable. With 3 dead, you're still comfortably protected, but can easily remove the last two bodyguards and Caller whenever you want. Obviously you didn't expect the Yamaguchi to kill an extra bodyguard (and Showtime), but you're still in good shape. Considering that Showtime was a detective and trusted Caller, it's completely obvious that Caller is clean. Unless Ace himself leaked the bodyguards to the mafia, Occam's razor says you're red. Oh, and PM your damn roles to Caller if you haven't already. EDIT: missed a word EDIT2: replace showtime with kh, I'm dumb and mixed up roles. Post not changed. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
One DT tonight was killed by each side, which means that it's very unlikely they were both picked by having PMed their roles to someone. With that in mind, PM Caller, please. I still believe he is much more likely to be innocent than not, and as far as I know, there are still important rolechecks that have yet to happen. The two I have been waiting for may help relieve some of the stress on this situation. If you refuse this, then at least try to find a Veteran to speak through, else you're doing the town no good. Something else that should be noted: 35 out of 63 of the town that was alive before this Day post were blues. Though it doesn't explain the concentration on the bodyguards, it should be noted that the ratio between greens that died and blues that died is consistent with the actual ratio that existed in the town. To illustrate more directly, with simplified approximations: - 81 possible targets, including both mafia families. (Excluded are myself and Caller) - 35 blue roles. They accounted for what is close to half of all possible targets. - Seven blues received direct hits. Eight died, but only because two blues were siblings. - 18 hits by mafia went through. Seven is between a third and a half of that. - 28 green roles. They account for over a third of possible targets. - Six greens received direct hits. - 18 hits by mafia went through. Six is a third of that. - 20 mafia roles. They account for about a fourth of possible targets. - Five mafia received direct hits. - 10 hits by mafia, as we're excluding one family, as only one family took all the hits. - One family accounts for an eighth of the possible targets. All told, the most significant value is actually the dead mafia. They were the lowest statistically present target, but took drastically more severe losses by ratio. The amount of blues killed was in balance with their possibility of being randomly selected anyway, and 0cz3c/Showtime!/Versatile were somewhat obvious targets. It still doesn't explain why so many bodyguards died or exactly how Versatile died, though. Anyway, I'm off to class. I'll be back on in about 3-4 hours to do clue work, which I'll start trying to attach to people now that we've two days worth. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 26 2008 03:20 ShadowDrgn wrote: You didn't kill all 5 because that would have left you vulnerable. With 3 dead, you're still comfortably protected, but can easily remove the last two bodyguards and Caller whenever you want. Obviously you didn't expect the Yamaguchi to kill an extra bodyguard (and Showtime), but you're still in good shape. Considering that Showtime was a detective and trusted Caller, it's completely obvious that Caller is clean. Unless Ace himself leaked the bodyguards to the mafia, Occam's razor says you're red. Oh, and PM your damn roles to Caller if you haven't already. EDIT: missed a word EDIT2: replace showtime with kh, I'm dumb and mixed up roles. Post not changed. what makes you think hes not a yamaguchi-guri rather than a lucchese.again, please double lynch plz k thx | ||
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
On November 26 2008 03:17 Caller wrote: exactly. ive already been cleared by a dt (kh1031) why is everybody suspecting me all of a sudden? the fact that not all of the dts that contacted me died implies something. just because i have all the roles doesn't mean that something bad happened. if anything, what most likely happened was silly mafia let themselves get infiltrated by other mafia. but i digress: we need to go after the largest family right now. Well maybe I still suspect you and MTF. Has he been checked by a DT yet? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Also caller, if any Vigi's PMed you it doesn't make sense for you to kill them tonight if you were mafioso. Vigi's listen to you more or less, so they are harmless until given an order. You could probably have them put out a hit and then kill them right afterwards. Just trying to think outside the box, or how I would think if I was a mafioso in charge :O | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
editfrom heaven Traitor - A trick role. This player is a Townie that supports mafia. If investigated will always appear innocent. Knows the identity of all Mafia but they do not know him/her. This player will try to prevent Mafia from getting lynched during the day. The Traitor wins if The Mafia win. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On November 26 2008 03:20 ShadowDrgn wrote: You didn't kill all 5 because that would have left you vulnerable. With 3 dead, you're still comfortably protected, but can easily remove the last two bodyguards and Caller whenever you want. Obviously you didn't expect the Yamaguchi to kill an extra bodyguard (and Showtime), but you're still in good shape. Considering that Showtime was a detective and trusted Caller, it's completely obvious that Caller is clean. Unless Ace himself leaked the bodyguards to the mafia, Occam's razor says you're red. Oh, and PM your damn roles to Caller if you haven't already. EDIT: missed a word EDIT2: replace showtime with kh, I'm dumb and mixed up roles. Post not changed. Why does it matter if I kill three or four? Either way it throws ample suspicion on me. Trying to reason that I'd kill three off this early for an easy hit on Caller later doesn't make sense, as it would be even easier as mafia to wait until I had a secure trust established with town, and then kill off all the bodyguards/Caller in one blow. I'm back early, by the way. We got set loose early for Thanksgiving break. I'll begin analysis and PM Ace to set up a double lynch; I'm curious as to who Caller has in mind for it. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On November 26 2008 04:34 malongo wrote: FUCK i knew ill die first night i hate you brother!!!... my last word WTFLYNCHMTF/CALLER Yes because shouting to the world that you are a paramedic and a sibling means it was my quiet self that got us killed. Next time do us both a favor and shut up -_- | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
On November 26 2008 04:57 bumatlarge wrote: Yes because shouting to the world that you are a paramedic and a sibling means it was my quiet self that got us killed. Next time do us both a favor and shut up -_- If you look at the fucking story YOU got the hit not me and i never said YOU WERE MY SIB idiot. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On November 26 2008 04:58 malongo wrote: If you look at the fucking story YOU got the hit not me and i never said YOU WERE MY SIB idiot. Then there has to be a leak, I was the most subtle BG ever. Maybe Caller and MTF should watch who they are talking to >_> | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
Seeing now that only one fucking family has been the biggest favored with ALL the information avalaible, and that not even our blues got the damn fucking information i say LYNCH MTF/CALLER reasons on bold. Chances are they are mafia/traitor playing well or townies playing really bad so they deserve it. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On November 26 2008 05:22 malongo wrote: Brother: Im very sorry not to protect you first night but, as you can see, odds favored that you wont get hit and that I would, so i sent my protection to another player (it worked). From the beggining i pmd caller my info and he knew yours too, i demanded on every level posible to caller to get access to his info and the votelists but he always negleted arguing that i was suspect. Seeing now that only one fucking family has been the biggest favored with ALL the information avalaible, and that not even our blues got the damn fucking information i say LYNCH MTF/CALLER reasons on bold. Chances are they are mafia/traitor playing well or townies playing really bad so they deserve it. Kweezy checked Caller (I think...), but I don't think anyone has ever checked MTF. Or I might have missed it... | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On November 26 2008 05:22 malongo wrote: Brother: Im very sorry not to protect you first night but, as you can see, odds favored that you wont get hit and that I would, so i sent my protection to another player (it worked). From the beggining i pmd caller my info and he knew yours too, i demanded on every level posible to caller to get access to his info and the votelists but he always negleted arguing that i was suspect. Seeing now that only one fucking family has been the biggest favored with ALL the information avalaible, and that not even our blues got the damn fucking information i say LYNCH MTF/CALLER reasons on bold. Chances are they are mafia/traitor playing well or townies playing really bad so they deserve it. I see guess we should be quiet now cause we dead | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 26 2008 05:22 malongo wrote: Brother: Im very sorry not to protect you first night but, as you can see, odds favored that you wont get hit and that I would, so i sent my protection to another player (it worked). From the beggining i pmd caller my info and he knew yours too, i demanded on every level posible to caller to get access to his info and the votelists but he always negleted arguing that i was suspect. Seeing now that only one fucking family has been the biggest favored with ALL the information avalaible, and that not even our blues got the damn fucking information i say LYNCH MTF/CALLER reasons on bold. Chances are they are mafia/traitor playing well or townies playing really bad so they deserve it. lololol has it occured to you that all of the people who died were spamming things like WHENS NEXT POST and things like that? they were poking their heads out wayy too much. mynock, pyrrhoxyia, the whole lot of em. the yamaguchis seemd to want to silence talkative townies, same with the other mafia, but the yamaguchis had a lot of talkers too ^^ | ||
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