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decafchicken
United States20020 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 09 2008 17:24 decafchicken wrote: i hate you chuiu EASIEST CLUE EVER > ME quoted for posterity hahahahaha | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On November 09 2008 17:04 Camlito wrote: I may be one of those. I wasn't defending him i was pretty much confused as to killing him on 1 clue... Yet that 1 clue actually was linked to him and he was red.. same if coffee was the extent of his clue I'll be pretty surprised | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
decafchicken - 9 ~OpZ~ Jimtudor xDark.Carnivalx goldenkrnboi Scorch KH1031 iNfuNdiBuLuM + Show Spoiler [folca vote list day 1] + Folca - 16 MidnightGladius RtS)Night[Mare BloodyC0bbler -> top suspect : (i will make notes about him) Camlito MTF [GiTM]-Ace aZnvaLiaNce Bockit fusionsdf wurm + Show Spoiler [Ace vote list day 1] + Ace - 15 HeRoS)Pink ---> TOP SUSPECT mikeymoo G.s)NarutO araav Artanis[Xp] ---> TOP SUSPECT ShadowDrgn Lenwe ---> TOP SUSPECT ZBiR ---> TOP SUSPECT fanatacist Falcynn clazziquai ulszz Decaf vote list day 1 doesnt offer much info to us, as they're still clean Folca vote list day 1 analysis: From folca's list, 6 people have been killed already leaving only 10/16 for analysis. If any DT is able to slip the info about how many mafiosos voted, we could clear up to 10 townies, because i think mafia would try to split themselves in list as much as possible to avoid detection. If you notice, bloodycobbler is one of the top suspects from day 2, however, i think he's trustworthy as he's been cooperating with the town, offering both analysis on clues and following the plans. IMHO he should be cleared of suspcicion. Ace vote list day 1 analysis: This list might bring us interesting information, ALL 4 remaining TOP SUSPECTS are on this list. 3 people from this list have been killled; leaving 12/15 to analyze. By cross reference, we may clear up to 8 townies here, so if dts are able to give light to that info for whatever means they can, that would clear up to 18 townies from the remaining 30. It's a HUGE advancement. | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
Being on the defensive blows; I don't think I can say anything that can't be used against me. Well, I'll have to let my behavior speak for myself. So here goes: _________________________________________________________ I vote to lynch KH1031, and I strongly encourage you to do the same. If we get this right, we can reduce killing power for the upcoming night. On November 06 2008 14:44 bumatlarge wrote: http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tlmafiare0.png (screw that here is the link) Tis an unlucky day for mafia? I got this PM from Ace, and, as it obviously entails, I think KH is mafia. This could be an elaborate scheme to kill 2 townies, but it honestly looks like a mistaken PM. Why wouldn't Ace just include more names for the hell of it? And of course I need to die, but I was meant to die the moment Ace sent this PM. Fate? Green for Red. THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT FOLCA! Ace virtually gave away KH1031 as mafia in a PM to bumatlarge (by accident?). Now that bumatlarge has been revealed as a townie, we can be sure that the screenshot of the PM is legit. KH1031 is thus most likely mafia. The only way KH can be innocent is if all of this is an elaborate mafia ploy, which I find quite unlikely. _________________________________________________________ Furthermore, I'd like to direct your attention towards this: On November 09 2008 06:28 Mynock wrote: Alright people, listen up: I've got information from a detective regarding the last vote tally, and it seems that out of the people who voted for decafchicken, 2 are mafia. Another person should soon confirm the same message. Now, we obviously can't be 100% that the information is correct, but I think it's somewhat safe to assume it is, since role-claiming, especially an important role like a DT, would be a pretty stupid move by mafia. That would be ZBiR Artanis[Xp] HeRoS)Pink Lenwe BloodyC0bbler So we have a great 2 mafia out of 5 (40%):
Artanis[Xp] HeRoS)Pink Lenwe BloodyC0bbler | ||
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
On November 09 2008 20:33 Scorch wrote: Whoa, this batch of clues sucks for me, as it blatantly links to my name. To my defense, i can only say that it is too obvious to be true. Everything that has to do with fire will automatically lead to my name. Chuiu doesn't normally make clues so obvious. Then again, decafchicken was very easy too Being on the defensive blows; I don't think I can say anything that can't be used against me. Well, I'll have to let my behavior speak for myself. So here goes: _________________________________________________________ I vote to lynch KH1031, and I strongly encourage you to do the same. If we get this right, we can reduce killing power for the upcoming night. Ace virtually gave away KH1031 as mafia in a PM to bumatlarge (by accident?). Now that bumatlarge has been revealed as a townie, we can be sure that the screenshot of the PM is legit. KH1031 is thus most likely mafia. The only way KH can be innocent is if all of this is an elaborate mafia ploy, which I find quite unlikely. _________________________________________________________ Furthermore, I'd like to direct your attention towards this: That would be ZBiR Artanis[Xp] HeRoS)Pink Lenwe BloodyC0bbler So we have a great 2 mafia out of 5 (40%):
Artanis[Xp] HeRoS)Pink Lenwe BloodyC0bbler I'm quite glad that I woke up early today. Although you're blatantly trying to accuse me so that the attention would be redirected, I will try to stay objective on your logical analysis. Fact: After bumatlarge revealed the PM Ace "accidentally" sent him in, he died in the following night (Night 2). In the screenshot of the PM it was specifically mentioned that bumatlarge would die in Night 2, and KH1031 is implied to be the mafia in the PM. The way I see it, there are a couple possibilities: 1.KH1031 is a mafia, and the mafias killed bumatlarge. 2.KH1031 is a mafia, and some vigilante killed bumatlarge. 3. KH1031/KH1031 is not a mafia, and the mafias killed bumatlarge. 4. KH1031/KH1031 is not a mafia, and some vigilante killed bumatlarge. You're saying that the only way KH1031/KH1031 is innocent is that this is some sort of elaborate mafia ploy. However, what you failed to include is the possibility of a vigilante responsible for the death of bumatlarge. In case 1 - The mafias are pretty gung-ho about killing bumatlarge, even risk making one of its mafia members suspicious to the town. In case 3 - The mafias killed bumatlarge so that KH1031/KH1031 would look red handed and desperate. In cases 2 and 4 - What bumatlarge did was dumb enough that made him suspicious - which is reasonable for vigilantes to target him. If somehow I die today/tonight and turn out to be non-mafia, I would suggest people to look into your post again. Edit: typo correction and case comments. Edit2: grammar/text color corrections | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On November 09 2008 21:08 KH1031 wrote: Although you're blatantly trying to accuse me so that the attention would be redirected, I will try to stay objective on your logic analysis. It's not me who originally accused you. That was bumatlarge, who was a townie. Furthermore, desperate blatant attention redirection is not my objective, as I'm not a top suspect facing his immeadiate death (yet?). I'm just pointing out the best lead we have at hand: the objective fact that Ace admitted you are mafia. Fact: After bumatlarge revealed the PM Ace "accidentally" sent him in, he died in the following night (Night 2). In the screenshot of the PM it was specifically mentioned that bumatlarge would die in Night 2, and KH1031 is implied to be the mafia in the PM. The way I see it, there are a couple possibilities: 1.KH1031 is a mafia, and the mafias killed bumatlarge. 2.KH1031 is a mafia, and some vigilante killed bumatlarge. 3. KH1031/KH1031 is not a mafia, and the mafias decided to kill bumatlarge. 4. KH1031/KH1031 is not a mafia, and some vigilante killed bumatlarge. You're saying that the only way KH1031 is innocent is that this is some sort of elaborate mafia ploy. However, what you failed to include is the possibility of a vigilante responsible for the death of bumatlarge. What bumatlarge did was dumb enough that made him suspicious - which is reasonable for vigilantes to target him. I don't think bumatlarge was vigi'd. There were better targets than him. Yes, it is possible that bumatlarge was killed by a vigilante, but that doesn't change anything if you think about it. The fact remains that Ace (accidentally?) said that KH1031 is mafia. While it might be a mafia plan, Ace did undoubtedly say it, no matter whether bumatlarge was mafia'd or vigi'd. Ace is a good player and probably capable of devising such a plan, but I don't think that's the case here. If somehow I die today/tonight and turns out to be non-mafia, I would suggest people to look into your post again. Be my guest. Little of my post is personal interpretation. In large part it is pointing out hard facts. | ||
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
On November 09 2008 21:33 Scorch wrote: The fact remains that Ace (accidentally?) said that KH1031 is mafia. While it might be a mafia plan, Ace did undoubtedly say it, no matter whether bumatlarge was mafia'd or vigi'd. Ace is a good player and probably capable of devising such a plan, but I don't think that's the case here. It seems like your argument hinges on the "fact" that Ace mentioned KH1031 in his PM to bumatlarge, and he was subsequently killed. I don't know what do you consider to constitute a fact. How about Ace (purposely?) said that KH1031/KH1031 is a mafia? Is that a fact to you as well? | ||
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
Unless I see another attack of new sorts, I shall remain silent. | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
Since nemy was revealed to be mafia, maybe day 2 clues did point to first letters of names? Then it would lead us to imDerek/iNfuNdiBuLuM and mikeymoo/MTF/MidnightGladius (since nemY and Ace are dead). MidnightGladius and iNfuNdiBuLuM are already on some suspect lists, so it's worth keeping a close eye on them. Also, I'm not mafia  From this list:ZBiR Artanis[Xp] HeRoS)Pink Lenwe BloodyC0bbler I'd suspect BloodyC0bbler fo sho, although I don't know who else nobody seems to have anything on him. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
[wild speculation] So let's suppose Ace wrote the PM to bumatlarge by accident. How'd he go about writing a PM? He'd probably select the receiver's name from the buddy list. Now suppose Ace misclicked and selected bumatlarge, when originally he intended someone else, perhaps a mafia very near to bumatlarge's name on the list. How is the buddy list (the drop-down box when writing a PM) ordered? Alphabetically? In the order of when friends were added? My own friend list contains only 5 people and is not representative, however in my case (maybe by coincidence!), the order is as follows: user names beginning with a capital letter sorted alpabetically, then lower-case letters ordered alpabetically: A B C ... Z a b c ... z. I don't know where numbers and special characters belong. So if names are ordered the way I think, who could be reasonably near to bumatlarge in the buddy list? XCetron Yogurt ZBiR (~OpZ~ depending on how special characters are ordered) ([GiTM]Ace depending on how special characters are ordered) araav aZnvaLiaNce clazziquai decafchicken IF KH1031 turns out to be mafia, it is safe to assume that Ace's PM to bumatlarge was in fact an accident. Then Ace selected the receiver's name from the Buddy List. You don't manually type in the wrong name by accident. IF the names are ordered the way I think (Someone please confirm!) IF Ace has all fellow mafias on his list (very likely) Then he PROBABLY intended to select someone from among the list above Which means that (at least) one of them is mafia. [/wild speculation] A lot of insecure stuff and little reasonable information, but it's better than nothing. It might be helpful later on. EDIT: The more I think about it, the more unreliable this appears. Just disregard this post. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On November 09 2008 21:47 KH1031 wrote: It seems like your argument hinges on the "fact" that Ace mentioned KH1031 in his PM to bumatlarge, and he was subsequently killed. I don't know what do you consider to constitute a fact. How about Ace (purposely?) said that KH1031/KH1031 is a mafia? Is that a fact to you as well? It is a FACT that Ace wrote the PM in which you are incriminated. It is a FACT that this COULD BE no "accident" after all and you might be innocent. I do THINK it was an accident though, so I voted for you. Only the third line is a matter of personal interpretation. What's not to understand? | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
On November 09 2008 22:20 Scorch wrote: + Show Spoiler [bumatlarge's PM stuff] + [wild speculation] So let's suppose Ace wrote the PM to bumatlarge by accident. How'd he go about writing a PM? He'd probably select the receiver's name from the buddy list. Now suppose Ace misclicked and selected bumatlarge, when originally he intended someone else, perhaps a mafia very near to bumatlarge's name on the list. How is the buddy list (the drop-down box when writing a PM) ordered? Alphabetically? In the order of when friends were added? My own friend list contains only 5 people and is not representative, however in my case (maybe by coincidence!), the order is as follows: user names beginning with a capital letter sorted alpabetically, then lower-case letters ordered alpabetically: A B C ... Z a b c ... z. I don't know where numbers and special characters belong. So if names are ordered the way I think, who could be reasonably near to bumatlarge in the buddy list? XCetron Yogurt ZBiR (~OpZ~ depending on how special characters are ordered) ([GiTM]Ace depending on how special characters are ordered) araav aZnvaLiaNce clazziquai decafchicken IF KH1031 turns out to be mafia, it is safe to assume that Ace's PM to bumatlarge was in fact an accident. Then Ace selected the receiver's name from the Buddy List. You don't manually type in the wrong name by accident. IF the names are ordered the way I think (Someone please confirm!) IF Ace has all fellow mafias on his list (very likely) Then he PROBABLY intended to select someone from among the list above Which means that (at least) one of them is mafia. [/wild speculation] A lot of insecure stuff and little reasonable information, but it's better than nothing. It might be helpful later on. But notice that Ace wrote: yea well make sure for Night 2 KH sends it in it looks like he's replying to someone, no? Then if he's replying, where is the original message? And when you reply, you don't choose recipient from buddy list or whatever, he's already selected. That's why I think it's forged, in addition to the fact that Ace would make such mistake by accident. And killing bumatlarge was only supposed to lure us into his trap. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On November 09 2008 22:32 ZBiR wrote: But notice that Ace wrote: it looks like he's replying to someone, no? Then if he's replying, where is the original message? And when you reply, you don't choose recipient from buddy list or whatever, he's already selected. That's why I think it's forged, in addition to the fact that Ace would make such mistake by accident. And killing bumatlarge was only supposed to lure us into his trap. That is a very valid point and kinda makes an ass out of me. Bah. Screw it, I have to do some university work anyway. Grmbl. PS: I no longer vote for KH1031 and abstain instead. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
You guys are something else ya know. Good Luck. | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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