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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 15:31 GMT
#940
Hi vivax sorry I missed that

Wags tail behind legs
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 22:03 GMT
#1034
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier

He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish

I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie

...

I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
....
Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 22:12 GMT
#1036
Rsoultin

Remind me too please. Why are you voting kelsier?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 22:23 GMT
#1046
On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote:
I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today
I want to know what sandroba identified as weird in kelsier filter

On June 08 2024 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait how do you get town vibes from Kelsier in his Mocsta interaction?
also I'm surprised here as majority seem to view kelsier as town from that


Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 22:25 GMT
#1049
On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier

He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish

I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie

...

I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
....
Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read


I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him.

Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that.
the less he does is closer to a policy lynch to me

I will do it if no better candidates. I'm seeking to identify a better csndidate
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 22:52 GMT
#1069
On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.

Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho


If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town.

Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome.
that was an unexpected lurk

Are you up to date with thread?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 22:57 GMT
#1074
On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.

Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho


If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town.

Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome.


There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess.

I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway.
I was filter diving. You actually

Im not going to be around at deadline so going to have to lock in a vote in next 30min or so sigh

I'm somewhat down for a sandroba shenanigan but I'm concerned if numbers aren't sufficient it will be easy for mafia to control majority
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 23:05 GMT
#1084
On June 09 2024 07:54 scott31337 wrote:
But to answer your question, yes I am.
cool cool

So kelsi3r is your number #1 scumread because of filter + lack.of activity?

Is az #2 because of this push on you?
What do you make of Marv agreeing with said push?

Have updated your oats read?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 23:11 GMT
#1091
Trfel

I will say. The posts between az/Marv/oats/me that I took as super collaborative.. maybe 10pages ago. Oats was not really on sync for me in that grouping

But.. i did not think he was a scum read before hand either

In short. I'm.not open to reviewing or lynching oats today especially over shenanigans!sandroba or inactive!kelsi3r

I could also shenanigans rayn but if town I would legit feel bad so dunno if the gamble.is worthwhile
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 23:20 GMT
#1102
On June 09 2024 08:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions

- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments

- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia.

- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical.

the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.

- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda

-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.

I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.

It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.

I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this.


This is a read and a consequential post
relevance?

Is this for Scott or are you shitting up the thread?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 23:25 GMT
#1107
On June 09 2024 08:05 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 07:54 scott31337 wrote:
But to answer your question, yes I am.
cool cool

So kelsi3r is your number #1 scumread because of filter + lack.of activity?

Is az #2 because of this push on you?
What do you make of Marv agreeing with said push?

Have updated your oats read?

Hi Scott chasing your feedback pls
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 23:43 GMT
#1125
On June 09 2024 08:35 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 08:49 AlphaZero wrote:
Scott not considering the game state with my vivax read and what it means about my alignment is the second scummiest thing that happened this game.

The first being Scott’s opening posts.

Town circle activate!



This is still relevant.

His scum reads have no foundation and he can’t really explain how they formed.

That is objectively a mafia trait.
i am warming up to this

like i have struggled every single time i have read this post below

On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote:
I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired.

I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment
And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy.

I search for Vivax -

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town.


20 hours ago

The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name.

A post an hour ago

Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him

And now he votes for him.

But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far.

Seems suspicious to me.




Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 23:47 GMT
#1131
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.

Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 08 2024 23:59 GMT
#1139
On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.

Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?


at the risk of answering for viva

if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either

1) try to get the lynch off them
2) shit up the thread

or they just roll over

i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch?

i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around
salient notion

alphazero - where does that sit with you?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 09 2024 00:00 GMT
#1140
On June 09 2024 08:58 AlphaZero wrote:
Unless you think me and Marv are mafia or the mafia is afk while their buddy gets lynched.

Mafia are voting for Kelsier here almost certainly.



or not voting at all ;p

On June 09 2024 08:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Not Voting (3): Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Kelsi3r

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 09 2024 00:12 GMT
#1162
On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.

Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?


at the risk of answering for viva

if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either

1) try to get the lynch off them
2) shit up the thread

or they just roll over

i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch?

i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around
salient notion

alphazero - where does that sit with you?


Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously.


We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened.

Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo.
i buy into this... there is an effort to convey he is up to date, and sufficiently active; yet this outcome in bold still holds.

rsoultin or anyone else.. would you agree that reads are mostly the same throughout entire d1 for scott?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 09 2024 00:18 GMT
#1168
one underlying issue i have with scott is that

when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.

my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.

now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 09 2024 00:45 GMT
#1187
On June 09 2024 09:30 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that

when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.

my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.

now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that.


i'm confused

are you saying that your read on az should make scott read az town if he's town?
i am saying scott has a level of trust in me, which means that the mocsta/az interaction going from scum-scum to something else *should* be a meaningful point of discovery

yet its not even captured as a point of note, as scott continues go back-forth with az
its not even mentioned until prompted by me (timestamps could make it coincidental i guess)

tbc, i am not saying scott should townread az because i changed my read. im saying his relation to me should be significant to create a re-evaluation point, like wtf just happened.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 09 2024 00:47 GMT
#1188
On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that

when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.

my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.

now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that.


AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such.

But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours.
i can accept not pushing az agenda.. this is similar dilemma i was in 24hrs ago.

my concern is that you have provided up to date summary reads, which have included AZ, and in that process, ignored my interaction with AZ.

you have paid enough attention to me in your filter, that i would have expected that you have caught your attention and meant something, whether to AZ or even me.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 09 2024 00:50 GMT
#1190
On June 09 2024 09:40 rsoultin wrote:
like i get getting squirrely when one wagon has way more traction than another i'm just not koshi. or is it vivax? who by the length of a wagon alone that must mean something especially on d1 when scum's largely outnumbered

certainly not when i'm townreading the other wagon

i could be wrong on scott and i'm trying to keep an open mind on that, genuinely. the reads not changing much thing is legit

it's honestly the only argument i've seen on him that i think is decent (sorry)

idk tho which read of his do you think should have changed from a town perspective?
i think he should be concerned that his biggest advocate me, shifted my read on az

so even though he is suspicious of kelsier, az and ?vivax?, maybe ?sandroba?

the answer to this question is a re-evaluation of both me and az... both are lacking
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