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On June 10 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 12:50 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 12:45 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 12:44 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:
The real question here is if we are lynching scott31337 today or waiting until tomorrow? Go find the real mafia. Unless you already know who they are  It would be easier if you would stop pretending to be mafia  Why tell me to go find mafia when you can (presumably) do it yourself? Scumslip See you already know I'm "pretending" to be mafia. I already know I'm town. Do you see me driving discussion? I've been looking since 10pm. 1) In the nested quote you see him playfully attacking Tfrel. Which is difficult to do as mafia. It has a good balance between get off me, + applying pressure to Tfrel to gauge a reaction. 2) Seeing the scumslip here is more likely to come from town reading and interpreting things to a maximum. As mafia things like this are way harder to do on the fly, if one is really good at playing mafia maybe it is possible, but the last part "I know I am town" is an unnecessarily lie at the end to make as mafia. I can't even explain properly why he added it at the end, but I think he tries to be witty with the truth but butchers the joke a bit. 3) He overestimates his own contributions to the thread but again, I can see a townie scott believing he is driving the town into victory more than a mafia scott bluffing. (I will quote some more but this analysis should be teached at schools.) this Scott town case on one post still holds though
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On June 15 2024 15:51 Trfel wrote:Mafia vigilante you mean? Or town vigilante? I really really wouldn't expect Oatsmaster to have been shot by a town vigilante. There's extremely little reason to shoot Oatsmaster there, and typically, the town vigilante claims after shooting. It just feels incredibly unlikely, not worth considering, and even if somehow this is what happened, the vigilante will eventually let us know. If it's a mafia vigilante, how would we know? What happened to the night kill? Also, why would the mafia vigilante shoot Night 2, of all nights? Like if we end up having a way to have blocked a night kill, maybe it's worth considering. But idk. I've never actually seen a mafia vigilante hold their shot, I guess the thinking is that it's too risky because if something happens and you get lynched it'd be bad? I just think it'd be absolutely devastating to town to save the shot and use it to avoid LYLO if you are in the position to do so. Also a mafia vigilante in a 13 player game would be a weird choice. So I'm probably just being paranoid. But it's right there in the setup... Makes me want to just get two mafia lynches and avoid LYLO tbh. If there was no mafia vigilante possible, I'd be happy to mislynch of course mafia vig..that was what were talking about
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Is there anything to make.of slam.throwaaay vote?
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On June 15 2024 16:05 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 16:00 Mocsta wrote:
Is there anything to make.of slam.throwaaay vote? Honestly I think it makes him look more town. Not necessarily due to the fact that he threw away his vote itself, but the reasoning. He voted for me for fishing for thread sentiment, apparently. Seems weird, but I think it's a risky stance to take as mafia. Why would you vote for someone who isn't going to be lynched if you are mafia, and stand out from the rest? Just feels like you're drawing extra attention to yourself and extra risk for no reason. What if I turned on him, for example? Plus it means that if he is mafia, he didn't care about his vote. So if he's mafia, it's probably not with any of the Day 3 lynch candidates. lets explore this further because
i went through the timing of the vote, and then all the related posts around that time (circa p229) and
if it is direclty related to you, you had that post with the page count before deadline; and another one to vivax.
it makes no sense to me as you point out. too weird/unpredictable to be scum is fair from this dimension.
But what if his vote didnt matter at the point in time (because this was *before* the chaos erupted)
On June 15 2024 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
die_meatbaby (5): Koshi, Vivax, Trfel, Mocsta, Scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Vivax
AlphaZero (3); Scott31337, Mocsta, Mocsta, Vivax, die_meatbaby, Vivax, Mocsta
Scott31337 (1): Trfel, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Alakaslam
Mocsta (0): die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Vivax
he already has a dead vote on scott
wagons are dmb and az.. how does slam read these 2?
slam seems to be quite aligned with az as early as June 10 and has maintained a pretty consistent tone and re-quoting in agreement through; so completley plausible that slam wont vote Alphazero.
What about DMB?
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On June 13 2024 16:44 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I just pocketed myself but I am not convinced Mocsta is mafia here. I'm just a huge sucker for the way he posts, even when I don't agree I just have a hard time seeing it coming from mafia. This is probably a huge blind spot for me this game, because it's not very rational. Note to myself to figure this out somehow.
Gut reads from Trfel! (note that order in each category is irrelevant)
Town
Koshi
Vivax
AlphaZero
Town Lean
Mocsta
Null
scott31337
Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet
Mafia Lean
die_meatbaby
I have no clue how I'm ever supposed to read Alakaslam this game. Need to figure out raynpelikoneet, scott31337, and die_meatbaby, next. How is DMB not null? I can't make head or tails of her, and, well, that may not be saying much actually.
however, here he states he wont vote dmb
On June 15 2024 01:01 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 21:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:57 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:53 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:40 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
Where are you guys talk to me!!!! I was traveling home. Got half a day off because I got to go to a special dentist. That being said. I skimmed your posts. Nothing pinged me. You are still mafia. I will skim again later. Eating now. Why am I mafia. Why do you believe this scumteam everytime for a dmb misslynch if you are town I dont need good reasons. You are the least townie out of all players here except maybe Slam. Also pls dont give me these "always" "everytime" scenarios from the past because I dont remember if what you say is true. And tbh I dont believe it so.. then tell me why I am not townie. I made the first case on sandroba before other people made a real case on him. You really think that my mafia game would be this good that I would start with a sandro/mocstar case??? I dont remember you being a good factor for the sandroba lynch. The opposite was true. On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote:rsoultin/koshiEither rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would. ScottOn June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games. TrflOn June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie Sandrobahttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandrobathis is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again. IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query) the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1 I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro? and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats? Or have I already found the team here? this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me! also in the same time i think VivaxI think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats. AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him. Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM that was so early on d2 at that time people where still on vivax wagon. Me too btw because I saw nobody was interested in that so i stay with wagons town decided to have. becuase when i make a only vote on somebody I am scum as well. What I have learned because of you I am not gonna vote dmb.
this was good. slams actions / behaviours are congurent and i think reasonable. his vote wasnt necessary to finalise a wagon so why vote players he didnt believe were scummy.
when he did think they were scummy (like me) he dropped on pretty quick, so the counter-case is true as well.
i agree, town qualities shining through and through
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On June 15 2024 16:30 Trfel wrote:
I'm getting tired, but can I ask about Vivax's reasons to suspect die_meatbaby?
Is it accurate that Vivax's actions greatly contributed to getting die_meatbaby through the lynch? To be honest I hadn't thought of this as the case, but if this is true I think it's a strong point. Looking at page 228+, Vivax was the third one to consider a wagon change (after me and Mocsta) and the first one to unvote die_meatbaby. I guess then it becomes subjective, how much did Vivax actually contribute, I'm curious what people's impressions of this are? I think this is a reasonable point tbh. But it's subjective and it'd be great to hear others' thoughts.
I'm not sure what Vivax's point 5 about Mocsta "ignoring the relationship component" (post #4736) is about? Does anyone know? Maybe tomorrow I can look it up when I have more energy.
Looks like Vivax started to get a little more suspicious of AlphaZero after this happened but I'm not sure if there is much to make of that.
trfel
vivax wanted to save dmb
he didnt know it would mean counterwagoning himself
he sacrified himself for love
.. point 5 is about him commenting on the torment he is having in this game with dmb
it emotionally connected to me as authentic.. i think i surmised it as a jedi meditatining in prep for the final battle.
i later drop this read because the actions werent following through, and in fact, had a change of heart per the end of day 3 antics.
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On June 15 2024 16:19 Trfel wrote:I'm actually pretty surprised to see that die_meatbaby voted for scott31337, even if only for 12 minutes. I'm not sure if that means anything, but it goes directly against everything die_meatbaby had previously said about scott31337. Post-lynch, die_meatbaby says she's sorry for not believing in Vivax, and that she will find whoever is responsible for the Vivax lynch. But then she says that she'll take a closer look at scott31337 in response to AlphaZero's post. Seems.... off? If she's truly upset about the Vivax mislynch and wants to hold people accountable, wouldn't AlphaZero be one of the first places she'd look? Note that I'm not blaming AlphaZero, everyone's wrong sometimes, and it's at least as much my fault as it is his. But if die_meatbaby is looking for somewhere to put the blame, I wouldn't expect her to follow AlphaZero's read to suspect scott31337, who made it clear he didn't want to vote for Vivax. I think die_meatbaby's alignment is key here. Before I screwed everything up, did we have a wagon on mafia/were mafia bussing? + Show Spoiler [inconclusive analysis] +Before I posted about shenanigans, the vote count was as follows: die_meatbaby (7): Koshi, Trfel, Mocsta, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, VivaxAlphaZero (1): die_meatbaby Mocsta (1): Alakaslam If we assume for the moment that die_meatbaby is mafia, and therefore being bussed, someone in the middle of the votes on die_meatbaby would be the most likely candidate for a mafia partner. This person would also have to be someone who moved off of die_meatbaby easily, but perhaps not someone who was very forceful in moving off of die_meatbaby, if that makes sense? Like someone who is very willing, eager even, to move off of die_meatbaby, but didn't want to make a big deal about it to make it look bad if one of them flips. Is there anyone like that? Scott31337 stayed on die_meatbaby, if they are mafia together then that means I managed to find almost the only way to screw that up, helping a bussed mafia survive a mislynch and even letting mafia stay on mafia for cred. This is a really depressing thought so I hope it's not true. Alakaslam was on Mocsta, and never voted for die_meatbaby. Seems a bit risky for Alakaslam to not bus given the 7-1 vote count, but idk. Unlikely. Raynpelikoneet does fit this description. Mocsta was a bit vocal about not lynching die_meatbaby but I could see this being possible. AlphaZero maybe fits this description as well. Basically it's possible for die_meatbaby to be mafia here based on potential associations, which doesn't say much at all, but I figured it'd be worth a try. Grasping at straws. Voting patterns are a bit weird for day 3, it was a complicated day. We had a lot of votes on Mocsta, then a lot of votes on AlphaZero, then a lot of votes on die_meatbaby, then eventually Vivax. Come to think of it, there's another angle. If die_meatbaby is mafia, she has a mafia buddy, and she and her mafia buddy had to have been bussing mid to late day 2. Would die_meatbaby/raynpelikoneet or die_meatbaby/AlphaZero really bus there? Or even die_meatbaby/Mocsta? I feel like these people have enough influence that they'd be less inclined to bus, in all honesty. I think die_meatbaby/scott31337 going for a bus makes sense. Once again assuming die_meatbaby is mafia: Would AlphaZero have bussed? First thought is that he'd be the most likely of the three to have done so, since he hasn't had the activity to really get his own way. He voted for die_meatbaby late, and wasn't really talking about lynching die_meatbaby, he was discussing other options. I could see this being a bus, in theory. Raynpelikoneet voted out of trust in Koshi. Theoretically I could see this being a bus I suppose. So much for that idea, the candidates match. End result is that die_meatbaby could theoretically be mafia with scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, and maybe Mocsta. Which is enough people that it's not very indicative either way 
Tried a bunch of shortcuts to see if I could get an easier read on die_meatbaby and they all failed. Guess I have to do it the hard way I just don't really have any good ways to read die_meatbaby. But I also can't end up unsure, I think we really really need to figure this out. Is it possible to look somewhere else and come back to die_meatbaby later? Maybe it'll become more clear? From my perspective, it's either die_meatbaby and scott31337 or we have a very very serious problem. But if I had to guess I'd guess that we have a very serious problem. When I look at die_meatbaby's filter, I see a lot of things I think are wrong. For example, there's the warning to Oatsmaster, there's complaining about other people being inactive, scumreading Mocsta seemingly before seeing that he wasn't the night kill, townreading scott31337 because he looks suspicious as town, etc. But does that mean anything? No one else has been very convinced by these arguments. Well, I've got another little thing. Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 11:02 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 10:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 10:56 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 10:49 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 10:42 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 10:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 10:31 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 10:28 die_meatbaby wrote:
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so you don't want to talk to me and you don't want to explain to me why exactly you think i'm mafia. Very good. Your filter is full of disturbing posts about Austria and the people who live here, but I can't find what I actually want to know. at least tell me the reasons.
I find the people here disturbing so my posts are disturbed. Like what do I need to talk with you about ? Do you need me to convince you that you are mafia ? why not talk about it? are you scared that I can tell you why you are wrong or do you have actually not good reasons do read me as mafia? Talk about what ? I am talking about it. How am I supposed to explain to you that I am town if I don't even know why you think the opposite of me? In case you might be town, I would like to explain to you that I am town in order to win together. But if you don't want to, don't make a case of me and just vote me after the night phase without any real reason or explanation. It's totally normal what you do here... You‘re town when you look for scum not when you ask for ways to be townread. There‘s no hint that I wouldn‘t vote Az over you tomorrow so you could just decide for yourself if you want to do that rather than making me repeat why I think you‘re scum so you can convince me otherwise. I‘m not that important over what you can do yourself for that to matter. Mafia fights as a team against individual townies. It is important to find townies and build a team to find and lynch them together But you don‘t need me to necessarily townread you if you can post a convincing case for why someone is more likely mafia than you. I am still try to figure out which one makes more sense az or mocstar both are scummy as hell for me. Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
I think I was maybe wrong with my scott read... Note that until this point, die_meatbaby's read on scott31337 was town. So if die_meatbaby is considering scott31337 as mafia, can she seriously consider AlphaZero being mafia? Of anyone in the game, I think those two would be the absolutely least likely to be mafia together. If she was more sure in scott31337 being mafia this would be more incriminating, as it is I don't think it's a big deal, but it is interesting that die_meatbaby didn't seem to follow up the questioning over scott31337's alignment. Even if she didn't consider it super urgent, if she's town, she ought to, no? Since it affects her decision between Mocsta and AlphaZero, which is what she was focusing on? Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 08:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 15 2024 08:30 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 15 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I'm just stupid. I'd hate to get cold feet and miss out on lynching mafia for no reason, and it's possible die_meatbaby is mafia and took my hesitation as a chance to jump in and defend herself.
But also maybe not.
Someone else say something? I'm really sorry that I wasn't as active here as usual. I still tried to do my best with an absolutely shitty time management. Also you were kinda tunneld on me but that happend to me often enough too. Hm, I think you've had plenty of opportunities. I've reached out to you a ton. I wouldn't call that tunneled. More that there hasn't been much reason to think differently. I'd lynch scott31337, I'd very likely lynch Vivax, I'd mayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeee lynch raynpelikoneet but probably not today. I will filter scott fast again. I am still to unsure of vivax and actually would prefer to lynch me for less activity then him, because if he is really town he could help you all later better then I could. Rayn is always gets nk when he is town or at least in the last few games I have played with him. If he is not getting nk soon. He is maybe scum, but for now also not my prefered lynch Also, what happened here? Die_meatbaby said she'd rather have herself be lynched than Vivax, but clearly she changed her mind? Looks like this happened due to AlphaZero's point about Vivax dumping his scumreads before getting mislynched last time and seemingly not doing so here. I also have no clue why die_meatbaby unvoted from scott31337. Context shows that I said I preferred lynching Vivax to scott31337, then die_meatbaby votes for scott31337, then AlphaZero says he thinks Vivax is more likely mafia than scott31337, then AlphaZero votes for Vivax, raynpelikoneet follows and votes for Vivax, and then die_meatbaby unvotes. Huh? Just doesn't feel like a sensible reaction. My best guess is that die_meatbaby unvoted due to not thinking that scott31337 would be a viable wagon. In this case, however, she'd be choosing to vote between Vivax and AlphaZero, and while I can't say she didn't do this, she didn't mention considering the AlphaZero wagon at all. Feels like she unvoted scott31337 and then.... waited to go onto Vivax for some reason? It's hard for me to know if this makes sense from town or not. For die_meatbaby to be town and do this, she'd have to be investigating scott31337's filter and not be sold on the Vivax lynch, then see support for the scott31337 wagon (that she was convinced enough on to vote for it) go away and then unvote without a new place to put the vote? If die_meatbaby is town and actually cared about scott31337 being lynched, I would have expected her to protest the wagon losing support, or at least leave her vote on it until she found something better, no? Why would she remove her vote when she doesn't seem very excited about any other option and there was no reason to go back on the read in the first place? If that makes sense. It's another little thing that isn't super incriminating, but it's the best I've got.
ConclusionMore little things. Not sure if any of it makes die_meatbaby mafia, but here it is anyway. 1. Die_meatbaby post Vivax flip said she'd look into scott31337 again but also wanted to hold the people for lynching Vivax responsible (presumably including AlphaZero, who was the one she was responding to about looking into scott31337). This doesn't really make sense from the perspective of someone who knows that AlphaZero contributed significantly to lynching Vivax and also knows that scott31337 didn't do so. As in, if die_meatbaby is aware of these things, which she really ought to be, then I have a hard time seeing how both of these post-flip comments can be made from the same mindset. 2. Die_meatbaby didn't seem to try to figure out scott31337's alignment day 3, despite it being key to other reads she seemed much more interested in. 3. Unvote timing on scott31337 doesn't make much sense really tinfoil point no3. but you know its true
you have game bragging rights.. and then in-real life bragging rights
town or mafia dmb can gloat over being part of vivax mislynch.. realsitically, only one of these alignments views it as a gloat...
perhaps the cards were directly revealed by that very action...
i know you hate speculative, yet, that is equaly human nature that cannot and should not be ignored for special cases like that pairing this game.
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On June 15 2024 16:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 16:31 Mocsta wrote:On June 15 2024 16:05 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 16:00 Mocsta wrote:
Is there anything to make.of slam.throwaaay vote? Honestly I think it makes him look more town. Not necessarily due to the fact that he threw away his vote itself, but the reasoning. He voted for me for fishing for thread sentiment, apparently. Seems weird, but I think it's a risky stance to take as mafia. Why would you vote for someone who isn't going to be lynched if you are mafia, and stand out from the rest? Just feels like you're drawing extra attention to yourself and extra risk for no reason. What if I turned on him, for example? Plus it means that if he is mafia, he didn't care about his vote. So if he's mafia, it's probably not with any of the Day 3 lynch candidates. lets explore this further because i went through the timing of the vote, and then all the related posts around that time (circa p229) and if it is direclty related to you, you had that post with the page count before deadline; and another one to vivax. it makes no sense to me as you point out. too weird/unpredictable to be scum is fair from this dimension. But what if his vote didnt matter at the point in time (because this was *before* the chaos erupted) On June 15 2024 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
die_meatbaby (5): Koshi, Vivax, Trfel, Mocsta, Scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Vivax
AlphaZero (3); Scott31337, Mocsta, Mocsta, Vivax, die_meatbaby, Vivax, Mocsta
Scott31337 (1): Trfel, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Alakaslam
Mocsta (0): die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Vivax
he already has a dead vote on scott wagons are dmb and az.. how does slam read these 2? slam seems to be quite aligned with az as early as June 10 and has maintained a pretty consistent tone and re-quoting in agreement through; so completley plausible that slam wont vote Alphazero. What about DMB? June 13 Null On June 13 2024 16:44 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I just pocketed myself but I am not convinced Mocsta is mafia here. I'm just a huge sucker for the way he posts, even when I don't agree I just have a hard time seeing it coming from mafia. This is probably a huge blind spot for me this game, because it's not very rational. Note to myself to figure this out somehow.
Gut reads from Trfel! (note that order in each category is irrelevant)
Town
Koshi
Vivax
AlphaZero
Town Lean
Mocsta
Null
scott31337
Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet
Mafia Lean
die_meatbaby
I have no clue how I'm ever supposed to read Alakaslam this game. Need to figure out raynpelikoneet, scott31337, and die_meatbaby, next. How is DMB not null? I can't make head or tails of her, and, well, that may not be saying much actually. however, here he states he wont vote dmb On June 15 2024 01:01 Alakaslam wrote:On June 14 2024 21:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:57 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:53 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:40 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
Where are you guys talk to me!!!! I was traveling home. Got half a day off because I got to go to a special dentist. That being said. I skimmed your posts. Nothing pinged me. You are still mafia. I will skim again later. Eating now. Why am I mafia. Why do you believe this scumteam everytime for a dmb misslynch if you are town I dont need good reasons. You are the least townie out of all players here except maybe Slam. Also pls dont give me these "always" "everytime" scenarios from the past because I dont remember if what you say is true. And tbh I dont believe it so.. then tell me why I am not townie. I made the first case on sandroba before other people made a real case on him. You really think that my mafia game would be this good that I would start with a sandro/mocstar case??? I dont remember you being a good factor for the sandroba lynch. The opposite was true. On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote:rsoultin/koshiEither rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would. ScottOn June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games. TrflOn June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie Sandrobahttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandrobathis is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again. IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query) the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1 I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro? and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats? Or have I already found the team here? this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me! also in the same time i think VivaxI think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats. AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him. Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM that was so early on d2 at that time people where still on vivax wagon. Me too btw because I saw nobody was interested in that so i stay with wagons town decided to have. becuase when i make a only vote on somebody I am scum as well. What I have learned because of you I am not gonna vote dmb.
this was good. slams actions / behaviours are congurent and i think reasonable. his vote wasnt necessary to finalise a wagon so why vote players he didnt believe were scummy. when he did think they were scummy (like me) he dropped on pretty quick, so the counter-case is true as well. i agree, town qualities shining through and through I feel like you were testing me here At least I seem to have passed? haha. i wanted to have a level of confidence myself in the read
i think the one weak part of that anlaysis is accepting the reason to not lynch dmb is adequate
i just.. well its slam. im not even going to bother try to understand? so let it go
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On June 15 2024 16:36 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 16:33 Mocsta wrote:On June 15 2024 16:30 Trfel wrote:
I'm getting tired, but can I ask about Vivax's reasons to suspect die_meatbaby?
Is it accurate that Vivax's actions greatly contributed to getting die_meatbaby through the lynch? To be honest I hadn't thought of this as the case, but if this is true I think it's a strong point. Looking at page 228+, Vivax was the third one to consider a wagon change (after me and Mocsta) and the first one to unvote die_meatbaby. I guess then it becomes subjective, how much did Vivax actually contribute, I'm curious what people's impressions of this are? I think this is a reasonable point tbh. But it's subjective and it'd be great to hear others' thoughts.
I'm not sure what Vivax's point 5 about Mocsta "ignoring the relationship component" (post #4736) is about? Does anyone know? Maybe tomorrow I can look it up when I have more energy.
Looks like Vivax started to get a little more suspicious of AlphaZero after this happened but I'm not sure if there is much to make of that. trfel vivax wanted to save dmb he didnt know it would mean counterwagoning himself he sacrified himself for love .. point 5 is about him commenting on the torment he is having in this game with dmb it emotionally connected to me as authentic.. i think i surmised it as a jedi meditatining in prep for the final battle. i later drop this read because the actions werent following through, and in fact, had a change of heart per the end of day 3 antics. Hm? Vivax said he wanted to save die_meatbaby but then after the wagon on him came, he said die_meatbaby was mafia and the turn of events helped him see that. Or is this not what you are referring to? the main thing i wanted to respond to was the point 5 that you queried
to address your question:
vivax and you in-fighiting + timing of mafia happy with dmb, led to alternative wagons forming
im saying, vivax had no idea it would land on him --> perhaps back on az
unforutnately it landed on vivax, and again, i believe this became possible because of the conflict you two had about DMB.
i think during that drowning period of awaiting the lynch he wasnt satisfied with how DMB approached the situation which led him to see the light
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=234#4671
On June 15 2024 09:15 die_meatbaby wrote:
@Trfel whats your opinion about everyone here is changing vote? Which vote swapping doesn’t make sense do you. Looks someone more scummy here?
This drives me fucking crazy here. On June 15 2024 09:17 Vivax wrote:
I only have one question for you.
Am I town ? On June 15 2024 09:20 die_meatbaby wrote:
I have read many of your games. Green, blue, red.... In none of these games have you ever done as little scumhunting as here... It's not comparable to any game you've ever played. On June 15 2024 09:22 Vivax wrote:
Yes or no On June 15 2024 09:23 die_meatbaby wrote:
Do I really have to tell what I think of you right now? On June 15 2024 09:24 Vivax wrote:That‘s one wrong answer too much. I think you‘d always have to townread me here. So I‘m voting you again
obviously we know vivax is green now and this is legiitmate thought process and evaluation in the moment
& should not be ignored either as a valid meta read on DMB
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On June 15 2024 16:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 16:41 Mocsta wrote:On June 15 2024 16:19 Trfel wrote:I'm actually pretty surprised to see that die_meatbaby voted for scott31337, even if only for 12 minutes. I'm not sure if that means anything, but it goes directly against everything die_meatbaby had previously said about scott31337. Post-lynch, die_meatbaby says she's sorry for not believing in Vivax, and that she will find whoever is responsible for the Vivax lynch. But then she says that she'll take a closer look at scott31337 in response to AlphaZero's post. Seems.... off? If she's truly upset about the Vivax mislynch and wants to hold people accountable, wouldn't AlphaZero be one of the first places she'd look? Note that I'm not blaming AlphaZero, everyone's wrong sometimes, and it's at least as much my fault as it is his. But if die_meatbaby is looking for somewhere to put the blame, I wouldn't expect her to follow AlphaZero's read to suspect scott31337, who made it clear he didn't want to vote for Vivax. I think die_meatbaby's alignment is key here. Before I screwed everything up, did we have a wagon on mafia/were mafia bussing? + Show Spoiler [inconclusive analysis] +Before I posted about shenanigans, the vote count was as follows: die_meatbaby (7): Koshi, Trfel, Mocsta, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, VivaxAlphaZero (1): die_meatbaby Mocsta (1): Alakaslam If we assume for the moment that die_meatbaby is mafia, and therefore being bussed, someone in the middle of the votes on die_meatbaby would be the most likely candidate for a mafia partner. This person would also have to be someone who moved off of die_meatbaby easily, but perhaps not someone who was very forceful in moving off of die_meatbaby, if that makes sense? Like someone who is very willing, eager even, to move off of die_meatbaby, but didn't want to make a big deal about it to make it look bad if one of them flips. Is there anyone like that? Scott31337 stayed on die_meatbaby, if they are mafia together then that means I managed to find almost the only way to screw that up, helping a bussed mafia survive a mislynch and even letting mafia stay on mafia for cred. This is a really depressing thought so I hope it's not true. Alakaslam was on Mocsta, and never voted for die_meatbaby. Seems a bit risky for Alakaslam to not bus given the 7-1 vote count, but idk. Unlikely. Raynpelikoneet does fit this description. Mocsta was a bit vocal about not lynching die_meatbaby but I could see this being possible. AlphaZero maybe fits this description as well. Basically it's possible for die_meatbaby to be mafia here based on potential associations, which doesn't say much at all, but I figured it'd be worth a try. Grasping at straws. Voting patterns are a bit weird for day 3, it was a complicated day. We had a lot of votes on Mocsta, then a lot of votes on AlphaZero, then a lot of votes on die_meatbaby, then eventually Vivax. Come to think of it, there's another angle. If die_meatbaby is mafia, she has a mafia buddy, and she and her mafia buddy had to have been bussing mid to late day 2. Would die_meatbaby/raynpelikoneet or die_meatbaby/AlphaZero really bus there? Or even die_meatbaby/Mocsta? I feel like these people have enough influence that they'd be less inclined to bus, in all honesty. I think die_meatbaby/scott31337 going for a bus makes sense. Once again assuming die_meatbaby is mafia: Would AlphaZero have bussed? First thought is that he'd be the most likely of the three to have done so, since he hasn't had the activity to really get his own way. He voted for die_meatbaby late, and wasn't really talking about lynching die_meatbaby, he was discussing other options. I could see this being a bus, in theory. Raynpelikoneet voted out of trust in Koshi. Theoretically I could see this being a bus I suppose. So much for that idea, the candidates match. End result is that die_meatbaby could theoretically be mafia with scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, and maybe Mocsta. Which is enough people that it's not very indicative either way
Tried a bunch of shortcuts to see if I could get an easier read on die_meatbaby and they all failed. Guess I have to do it the hard way I just don't really have any good ways to read die_meatbaby. But I also can't end up unsure, I think we really really need to figure this out. Is it possible to look somewhere else and come back to die_meatbaby later? Maybe it'll become more clear? From my perspective, it's either die_meatbaby and scott31337 or we have a very very serious problem. But if I had to guess I'd guess that we have a very serious problem. When I look at die_meatbaby's filter, I see a lot of things I think are wrong. For example, there's the warning to Oatsmaster, there's complaining about other people being inactive, scumreading Mocsta seemingly before seeing that he wasn't the night kill, townreading scott31337 because he looks suspicious as town, etc. But does that mean anything? No one else has been very convinced by these arguments. Well, I've got another little thing. On June 13 2024 11:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 11:02 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 10:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 10:56 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 10:49 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 10:42 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 10:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
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why not talk about it? are you scared that I can tell you why you are wrong or do you have actually not good reasons do read me as mafia? Talk about what ? I am talking about it. How am I supposed to explain to you that I am town if I don't even know why you think the opposite of me? In case you might be town, I would like to explain to you that I am town in order to win together. But if you don't want to, don't make a case of me and just vote me after the night phase without any real reason or explanation. It's totally normal what you do here... You‘re town when you look for scum not when you ask for ways to be townread. There‘s no hint that I wouldn‘t vote Az over you tomorrow so you could just decide for yourself if you want to do that rather than making me repeat why I think you‘re scum so you can convince me otherwise. I‘m not that important over what you can do yourself for that to matter. Mafia fights as a team against individual townies. It is important to find townies and build a team to find and lynch them together But you don‘t need me to necessarily townread you if you can post a convincing case for why someone is more likely mafia than you. I am still try to figure out which one makes more sense az or mocstar both are scummy as hell for me. On June 13 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
I think I was maybe wrong with my scott read... Note that until this point, die_meatbaby's read on scott31337 was town. So if die_meatbaby is considering scott31337 as mafia, can she seriously consider AlphaZero being mafia? Of anyone in the game, I think those two would be the absolutely least likely to be mafia together. If she was more sure in scott31337 being mafia this would be more incriminating, as it is I don't think it's a big deal, but it is interesting that die_meatbaby didn't seem to follow up the questioning over scott31337's alignment. Even if she didn't consider it super urgent, if she's town, she ought to, no? Since it affects her decision between Mocsta and AlphaZero, which is what she was focusing on? On June 15 2024 08:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 15 2024 08:30 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 08:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 15 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote:
Maybe I'm just stupid. I'd hate to get cold feet and miss out on lynching mafia for no reason, and it's possible die_meatbaby is mafia and took my hesitation as a chance to jump in and defend herself.
But also maybe not.
Someone else say something? I'm really sorry that I wasn't as active here as usual. I still tried to do my best with an absolutely shitty time management. Also you were kinda tunneld on me but that happend to me often enough too. Hm, I think you've had plenty of opportunities. I've reached out to you a ton. I wouldn't call that tunneled. More that there hasn't been much reason to think differently. I'd lynch scott31337, I'd very likely lynch Vivax, I'd mayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeee lynch raynpelikoneet but probably not today. I will filter scott fast again. I am still to unsure of vivax and actually would prefer to lynch me for less activity then him, because if he is really town he could help you all later better then I could. Rayn is always gets nk when he is town or at least in the last few games I have played with him. If he is not getting nk soon. He is maybe scum, but for now also not my prefered lynch Also, what happened here? Die_meatbaby said she'd rather have herself be lynched than Vivax, but clearly she changed her mind? Looks like this happened due to AlphaZero's point about Vivax dumping his scumreads before getting mislynched last time and seemingly not doing so here. I also have no clue why die_meatbaby unvoted from scott31337. Context shows that I said I preferred lynching Vivax to scott31337, then die_meatbaby votes for scott31337, then AlphaZero says he thinks Vivax is more likely mafia than scott31337, then AlphaZero votes for Vivax, raynpelikoneet follows and votes for Vivax, and then die_meatbaby unvotes. Huh? Just doesn't feel like a sensible reaction. My best guess is that die_meatbaby unvoted due to not thinking that scott31337 would be a viable wagon. In this case, however, she'd be choosing to vote between Vivax and AlphaZero, and while I can't say she didn't do this, she didn't mention considering the AlphaZero wagon at all. Feels like she unvoted scott31337 and then.... waited to go onto Vivax for some reason? It's hard for me to know if this makes sense from town or not. For die_meatbaby to be town and do this, she'd have to be investigating scott31337's filter and not be sold on the Vivax lynch, then see support for the scott31337 wagon (that she was convinced enough on to vote for it) go away and then unvote without a new place to put the vote? If die_meatbaby is town and actually cared about scott31337 being lynched, I would have expected her to protest the wagon losing support, or at least leave her vote on it until she found something better, no? Why would she remove her vote when she doesn't seem very excited about any other option and there was no reason to go back on the read in the first place? If that makes sense. It's another little thing that isn't super incriminating, but it's the best I've got.
ConclusionMore little things. Not sure if any of it makes die_meatbaby mafia, but here it is anyway. 1. Die_meatbaby post Vivax flip said she'd look into scott31337 again but also wanted to hold the people for lynching Vivax responsible (presumably including AlphaZero, who was the one she was responding to about looking into scott31337). This doesn't really make sense from the perspective of someone who knows that AlphaZero contributed significantly to lynching Vivax and also knows that scott31337 didn't do so. As in, if die_meatbaby is aware of these things, which she really ought to be, then I have a hard time seeing how both of these post-flip comments can be made from the same mindset. 2. Die_meatbaby didn't seem to try to figure out scott31337's alignment day 3, despite it being key to other reads she seemed much more interested in. 3. Unvote timing on scott31337 doesn't make much sense really tinfoil point no3. but you know its true you have game bragging rights.. and then in-real life bragging rights town or mafia dmb can gloat over being part of vivax mislynch.. realsitically, only one of these alignments views it as a gloat... perhaps the cards were directly revealed by that very action... i know you hate speculative, yet, that is equaly human nature that cannot and should not be ignored for special cases like that pairing this game. Hm... A few games ago, die_meatbaby was mafia and literally tried to save town!Vivax day 1 in the lynch with another townie. I think that disproves your theory? does it?
im talking about IRL bragging i'm not sure you are?
to your point, i mean. speculative so no need to drve this home cos the other post i just made with vivax quotes is much better and relevant to game
I htink contextually D1 vs D3 is completely different expectations and filter progression so not the same.
dmb and vivax should be focused on each other d1 regardless of alignment.
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On June 15 2024 16:59 Trfel wrote:
I'm sorry I guess I'm getting confused and am not sure what you are trying to say. Is it that Vivax's read on die_meatbaby being mafia due to her lack of read on him has merit? i would say yes
im tired too too and shaking my head in uncertainty as well
will take a break. catcha
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Flipped vote coloursOn June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Kelsi3r (7): Mocsta, scott31337, Trfel, rsoultin, Oatsmaster, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, rsoultin
scott31337 (5): Sandroba, Marvellosity, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, Mocsta
Sandroba (0): rsoultin
raynpelikoneet (0): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): Oatsmaster, AlphaZero
Mocsta (0): Vivax
Trfel (0): scott31337
Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r
On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, Sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, Sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, Sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, Sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
On June 15 2024 10:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
Vivax(5): AlphaZero, Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Koshi, Vivax, Trfel, Mocsta, Scott31337, raynpelikoneet,AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, Scott31337
Trfel (1): Alakaslam
AlphaZero (0); Scott31337, Mocsta, Mocsta, Vivax, die_meatbaby, Vivax, Mocsta, Scott31337
Scott31337 (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, AlphaZero, die_meatbaby
Mocsta (0): die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Vivax
Mocsta speculative
+ Show Spoiler +town2) Trfel 11) Mocsta 13) AlphaZero --> as mafia, had every reason to shift wagon back to me - but did not. adjusted reads from a town mindset during moment of crisis 3) rsoultin replaced by Koshi --> both players pushed sandroba. town6) Alakaslam --> EoD3 actions are consistent and plausible from town mindset 7) raynpelikoneet --> sandroba is selling point. way rayn has attacked me is selling point. however, if this game was the lower probability mafia has a mastermind game, its got to be rayn. For the record, would only visit at MYLO/LYLO. rest4) Scott31337 -> EoD3 actions are opportunistic + PoE 5) die_meatbaby -> Vivax called it. On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Kelsi3r (7): mocsta , scott31337, Trfel, rsoultin, Oatsmaster, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby , raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, rsoultin
scott31337 (5): Sandroba, Marvellosity, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, mocsta
Sandroba (0): rsoultin
raynpelikoneet (0): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): Oatsmaster, AlphaZero
mocsta (0): Vivax
Trfel (0): scott31337
Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r
On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, koshi, scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby , Trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, Sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, Sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): mocsta , Trfel, AlphaZero, Sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, scott31337, koshi, mocsta , Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
koshi (0): Vivax, Sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
On June 15 2024 10:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
Vivax(5): AlphaZero, Trfel, raynpelikoneet, mocsta , die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): koshi, Vivax, Trfel, mocsta , scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, scott31337
Trfel (1): Alakaslam
AlphaZero (0); scott31337, mocsta , mocsta , Vivax, die_meatbaby , Vivax, mocsta , scott31337
scott31337 (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, AlphaZero, die_meatbaby
mocsta (0): die_meatbaby , raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Vivax
now i can take a break
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On June 15 2024 18:18 Koshi wrote:
I qulted that post because it looks like Scott was looking for the correct lynch and not going off dmb to get off dmb.
you are going to have to talk to trfel then cos hes extremely stubborn about dmb - that is said respectfully too.
i perceive the stubborness is because the facts are not there; without appropriate weighting that by now, the lack of facts may be by plan.
re: slam
how do you assess his non-vote to trfel?
re: rayn
im happy to talk about it?
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On June 15 2024 18:18 Koshi wrote:
I qulted that post because it looks like Scott was looking for the correct lynch and not going off dmb to get off dmb. im not sold your interpretation is the only answer. Why is it not concluded Scott could be sussing out which wagon would stick? Hes clearly concerned about close wagons leading to end of day wagon swaps. Alpha does pull up a good inconsistency, because he shouldnt be thinking that scum would jump to bus DMB.. HOWEVER, its also possible with benefit of the doubt the wagons should stick.
i dont have an issue lynching DMB first btw. but scott is going to be a painpoint to resolve with trfel + alphazero assuming both are around tomorrow.
On June 15 2024 09:54 AlphaZero wrote:
Does anyone know why town Scott refuses to reevaluate his reads? On June 15 2024 10:01 scott31337 wrote:
What's there to re-evaluate on you? On June 15 2024 10:03 Trfel wrote:
Dude, are you serious?
AlphaZero's playstyle itself has completely changed from day 1 to day 2-3. His reads have been changing as well. His pushes have been changing.
Maybe to you, there's nothing to re-evaluate, because your only reason he is mafia is that he thinks you are mafia.
Convincing. On June 15 2024 10:07 scott31337 wrote:
And he keeps voting for townies (In my opinion). So there's that too.
That hasn't change today.
On June 15 2024 10:13 Trfel wrote:
To be fair you asked why you should re evaluate. I gave you reasons. Another reason why you shouldn't doesn't invalidate the reasons I gave.
But whatever, you clearly made up your mind long ago. On June 15 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
AZ isn't going to be lynched today - that ship has sailed.
So let's try to find the other mafia, okay?
I don't think it's Vivax though. On June 15 2024 10:13 AlphaZero wrote:
Why is vivax town? On June 15 2024 10:30 scott31337 wrote:
So I'm reading his filter again.
His D1 is a majority of thinking about the game posting. Asking Oats how you top town read him and Oats went over it/didn't comment on it.
Like he doesn't get into all the political/shit posting until later in the game.
He didn't vote mafia D2 either, so there's that.
On June 15 2024 10:37 scott31337 wrote:
So at 5 -3 the scummies could move from Vivax to DMB although ballsy
Are ya'll sticking with Vivax then? On June 15 2024 10:37 AlphaZero wrote:
wtf are you talking about, you think DMB is mafia and Vivax is town right?
so why would scum move from your town read to your mafia read.
Classic mafia fearmongering. On June 15 2024 10:40 scott31337 wrote:
Because there are only two people that have full knowledge.
Oh yeah, if one is mafia, only one could move since there's only two left.
I got you, I had to rethink what I said.
My fault!
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On June 15 2024 19:04 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta I dont care anymore. Do what you guys want. I launched 2 mafia lynches and you pussyfucks waited for me to sleep to waste the work I put in during the day.
Lynch who ever you want.
Dont pretend you actually want my input.
Be the baddies you guys are in your baddie circle.
I am out. ok dude
Man this game I just don't get it
Is it me or something or this this the new meta?
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Mocsta Koshi 2.0 speculative
town
2) Trfel
11) Mocsta
13) AlphaZero
3) rsoultin replaced by Koshi
town
4) Scott31337
rest
5) die_meatbaby
6) Alakaslam
7) raynpelikoneet
On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Kelsi3r (7): mocsta , scott31337, Trfel, rsoultin, Oatsmaster, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby , raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, rsoultin
scott31337 (5): Sandroba, Marvellosity, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, mocsta
Sandroba (0): rsoultin
raynpelikoneet (0): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): Oatsmaster, AlphaZero
mocsta (0): Vivax
Trfel (0): scott31337
Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r
On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, koshi, scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby , Trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, Sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, Sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): mocsta , Trfel, AlphaZero, Sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, scott31337, koshi, mocsta , Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
koshi (0): Vivax, Sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
On June 15 2024 10:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
Vivax(5): AlphaZero, Trfel, raynpelikoneet, mocsta , die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): koshi, Vivax, Trfel, mocsta , scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, scott31337
Trfel (1): Alakaslam
AlphaZero (0); scott31337, mocsta , mocsta , Vivax, die_meatbaby , Vivax, mocsta , scott31337
scott31337 (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, AlphaZero, die_meatbaby
mocsta (0): die_meatbaby , raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Vivax
the way the game has played out, i am warming up to a DMB + Slam + Sandroba combination.
Voting is at tail-end of wagon, which aligns with my theory that a lot of the arguing is TvT induced.
Definitely triggering me to filter Slam to understand why even as early as D2 he wouldnt lynch DMB.
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On June 15 2024 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Idk why we arent lynching the people who actually say very scummy shit? I mean i am partly to blame for yesterday, but thread sentiment was switching to az vs vivax from dmb and then az told me to go to sleep instead of really trying to get me on vivax, when i already said i am not voting vivax over dmb. I found that townie. AZ was leading the vote. I had to go. Fuck me Pleas just consider mocsta and scott, people who actually act scummily!!!! You're meant to be a better player than this
To have caught up and kept your read one me is definitely building heat your way
Be ready to justify your read progression
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On June 16 2024 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2024 01:17 Mocsta wrote:On June 15 2024 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Idk why we arent lynching the people who actually say very scummy shit? I mean i am partly to blame for yesterday, but thread sentiment was switching to az vs vivax from dmb and then az told me to go to sleep instead of really trying to get me on vivax, when i already said i am not voting vivax over dmb. I found that townie. AZ was leading the vote. I had to go. Fuck me Pleas just consider mocsta and scott, people who actually act scummily!!!! You're meant to be a better player than this To have caught up and kept your read one me is definitely building heat your way Be ready to justify your read progression Which read progression are you talking about? I have a nice IPA beer here in front of me, as well a a whisky. So i have a little bit of time. Tell me. read on me
It's literally stated
Nothing subtle at all
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On June 16 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2024 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 16 2024 01:17 Mocsta wrote:On June 15 2024 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Idk why we arent lynching the people who actually say very scummy shit? I mean i am partly to blame for yesterday, but thread sentiment was switching to az vs vivax from dmb and then az told me to go to sleep instead of really trying to get me on vivax, when i already said i am not voting vivax over dmb. I found that townie. AZ was leading the vote. I had to go. Fuck me Pleas just consider mocsta and scott, people who actually act scummily!!!! You're meant to be a better player than this To have caught up and kept your read one me is definitely building heat your way Be ready to justify your read progression Which read progression are you talking about? I have a nice IPA beer here in front of me, as well a a whisky. So i have a little bit of time. Tell me. read on me It's literally stated Nothing subtle at all you clarify after that "apparently" you have not read d3
Better catch up real quick
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On June 16 2024 07:49 AlphaZero wrote:
I’m lynching Scott tomorrow. The end. Ia dmb partnered with Scott?
If so, what's the problem to do dmb first?
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