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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 03:59 GMT
#116
On June 07 2024 12:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town

Thats entitely untrue based on last game.
On the contrary, I found him quite suspicious last game.

That may just be my fault for being bad, though
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 04:18 GMT
#125
On June 07 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 11:03 scott31337 wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ha! Still not mafia.
Mason me pls!


I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage?


Seemingly harmless question with emphasis on trying to look useful.
Scum-meter vibrates slightly.

Oats with acceptable vibe so far.
Honestly this still seems off. It's not much, but I strongly disagree that Oatsmaster's "vibe" is anything close to meaningful at this point. Oatsmaster's made two posts containing a whopping 11 words, honestly it's hard to discern much of a "vibe," much less an alignment indicative "vibe." I guess it's the 11th post of the game, there's not really anything wrong (per se) with making something out of nothing, heck I do it all the time, but I still don't like it? I guess that makes me a hypocrite.

I can see where AlphaZero is coming from, despite the minus points. Kinda like rsoultin as well, actually, surprisingly.

Idk, I mean there's no way Oatsmaster rolled mafia four times in a row, right? Gambler's fallacy though... I just don't understand the mindset Oatsmaster is coming from. Like, why on earth would he post this:
On June 07 2024 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m just not reading the op tbh
It doesn't accomplish anything or progress anything or communicate anything and it's not even fun? But even as mafia he has no problem finding actual things to mention. So maybe it simply makes no sense regardless of alignment? Having a hard time figuring out what to make of this.

Also, scott31337, good luck
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 04:24 GMT
#128
On June 07 2024 13:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn now Trfel is not that weird anymore
Why was I weird?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 04:38 GMT
#132
On June 07 2024 13:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On June 07 2024 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On June 07 2024 13:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn now Trfel is not that weird anymore
Why was I weird?

You were "happier" than usual, and started by joking for pages instead of going super serious (in contrary to even games where you said beforw game youre not gonna be auper serious..)

Also somehow i have considered you and rsoultin kinda like "best buddies" from my memory like 8 years ago and it was bugging me you didnt have any conversation with her, until she made imo a good conclusion of you needing to do more to gain trust or smth (points to her for that).

I was about to make a post about it already but i wanted to have this scott rhing unfolded first and then that other thing unfolded itself kind of
Hm, interesting.

Side note, how was rsoultin's argument good though? That was on page 5 when the game really started on page 4 (not counting the day post), I mean isn't this simply true for everyone?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 04:54 GMT
#134
On June 07 2024 13:48 rsoultin wrote:
Truffle thinking this is about arguments. Well I was kinda hoping for a rayn follow-up but tbf you were concentrating on more important things so I'll just pout a little in the corner instead.

Rayn, I am very, very happy that your 'Truffle is having fun' wasn't a townread. That's how I initially read it and I was like...hmm. The calling people stupid thing was also not greeeat but idk as part of a joke it's not as weird for a truffle.

Regarding the oats thing, I kinda get what Viva's putting down as an early read. It's very derpy derpy fuck you which feels nice and relaxed to me. I'm not quite sure why it's significant to you, though? The jump on the not reading the OP comment felt...ick. Very low-hanging fruit. What's the mafia motivation for just declaring you're not reading it?
I mean it's not just that comment, it's that I'm used to Oatsmaster's posts having purpose or direction. So far that's been incredibly lacking. I brought that post up as an example. I don't know what it means, or even if it means anything, which is why I brought it up, because it is confusing me and bothering me.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:05 GMT
#141
Oh I see. I guess I never really understood dynamics like that tbh. Some next level analysis going on in Finland

Don't think I am lynching rsoultin, AlphaZero, or raynpelikoneet today. Probably not Vivax either. Don't really want to lynch anyone, scott31337 and Oatsmaster are the most interesting to me but I don't have any real reasons either way?

Idk scott31337 feels like maybe the toughest person for me to read. I just struggle to figure him out. Heck, I think I'd have a better chance at reading Chezinu. It's my fault, I just don't know how to fix it...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:09 GMT
#143
I think the whisperer mechanic favors skill most of all. It can be powerful or negligible for either alignment, honestly it just depends on how effectively it is used. It's possibly a little easier for town to get value from it, though.

Has it been confirmed that AlphaZero is indeed a smurf? Or is our community so dead that we can't possibly have just gotten a new player?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:13 GMT
#146
On June 07 2024 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On June 07 2024 14:09 Trfel wrote:
I think the whisperer mechanic favors skill most of all. It can be powerful or negligible for either alignment, honestly it just depends on how effectively it is used. It's possibly a little easier for town to get value from it, though.

Has it been confirmed that AlphaZero is indeed a smurf? Or is our community so dead that we can't possibly have just gotten a new player?

He's definitely skilled in mafia.
Oh sure but aren't there plenty of mafia forums?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:22 GMT
#148
I guess I'm not used to raynpelikoneet being this insightful? Insightful probably isn't the right word, but idk what is, just that his line of thinking was reasonable but also never would have crossed my mind. It makes it feel much more genuine than something with more "normal" reasoning.

Could raynpelikoneet pull it off as mafia, I guess probably, he can pretty much do anything as mafia, but I think it's a decent reason to not suspect him for now. Still worth mentioning at this time.

I don't think I would have any chance at figuring out a smurf's identity anyway. Good thing meta is overrated
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:25 GMT
#149
I mean if you reeeeeally want to figure out who AlphaZero could be, the biggest clue imo is the time. Reasonable Europeans are asleep right now (you two are clearly not reasonable), I think AlphaZero not being European is a reasonable assumption. Also, if you assume that AlphaZero is a decent player, I think most of the decent players are European. So that would be where I would start.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:26 GMT
#151
Honestly it could just be DarthPunk but I probably have negative odds of figuring it out, if you two weren't so focused on it I wouldn't even bother
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:35 GMT
#153
On June 07 2024 14:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 14:13 Trfel wrote:
On June 07 2024 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 07 2024 14:09 Trfel wrote:
I think the whisperer mechanic favors skill most of all. It can be powerful or negligible for either alignment, honestly it just depends on how effectively it is used. It's possibly a little easier for town to get value from it, though.

Has it been confirmed that AlphaZero is indeed a smurf? Or is our community so dead that we can't possibly have just gotten a new player?

He's definitely skilled in mafia.
Oh sure but aren't there plenty of mafia forums?

That's true. Most of them (all of them) don't share our playing culture though (going RVS and shit instead).

Talk to me (and rsoultin) more about Vivax and Oats. I think Vivax' opener on scott was pretty basic vivax. Oats i have given my impression so far. I have somewhat hard time understanding where you actually stand on them because you disliked Vivax based on what was basically a case on Oats. :D
Hm, I thought there were a few that were a little more similar? I could absolutely be wrong, I know next to nothing about them though.

I don't know what to think about Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster is a little tough for me because historically, he tends to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is. His playstyle, at least to me, is like he tends to throw criticism/shade at people in passing instead of getting super involved himself. Strangely, the games where he has more direction are the ones where he has been mafia, and the ones where he's been less involved he's been town. I would have expected the opposite for this playstyle. So I don't really know about Oatsmaster, especially not yet.

My point though is that I have a very hard time understanding how Vivax gets anything resembling towny vibes from Oatsmaster's first two posts. I could see not caring and aloof-ness being towny, but I honestly don't even get those from the posts. I get a bit of petulance (assuming I actually know what that word means, my vocabulary is pretty abysmal) but I don't really think that is alignment indicative tbh.

I don't think it makes Vivax mafia, especially since rsoultin had the same takeway as Vivax, maybe my view on it is just off. It feels a bit weird, maybe it's nothing, and like I said even if it is a stretch of a read it's okay to do that so early in the game, I just don't really know much else that sticks out to me.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:39 GMT
#154
On June 07 2024 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 14:22 Trfel wrote:
I guess I'm not used to raynpelikoneet being this insightful

what exactly do you mean?
If you could be a bit better with your quotes I'd appreciate it, it's hard for me to fix it on my phone, my stupid thumb is too big and I can't get the cursor to go to the right spot ><

I tried to explain it in the post you quoted? Basically raynpelikoneet wasn't just taking your words at their surface value/meaning but was drawing conclusions about how previous history affects those subtle things about early posts/reads in a way I thought was surprising and insightful. Very original line of thought.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:41 GMT
#155
Also sorry for some reason I thought I was talking to rsoultin but that was actually raynpelikoneet. Sorry for the weird third person, not trying to ignore you ><
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:49 GMT
#158
On June 07 2024 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I personally think Oats is even more nitpicky than i am as town, i know two games ago, when he was mafia caught by Slam's check, he was imitating that game very well. However last game was a very pretty town sweep on mafia, and Oats even himself said he didn't have any chance to even do anything because everyone just looked so town. So like, in that game he ended up getiing into the argument about drawings, that was not in itself mafia!Oats, but when it went on and on and on, it became more and more mafia!Oats. Oats is generally really easy read for me even at the start of the game and rn all i can say is "meh", even as he hasn't really been around.

I agree with your non-conclusion of Vivax (lol).
Okay, show off Maybe it's easy for you but some of us (or maybe just be) are struggling back here, haha. I'll work on it.

Idk, at first I thought maybe it meant something about Vivax, as time has passed I've become less and less confident in that. So now idk. When in doubt, lynch scott31337?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:54 GMT
#160
Wasn't there a thing with Oatsmaster and game rules like 2-3 games ago? Like either Oatsmaster blatantly didn't know the game rules twice in a row or someone else did that and Oatsmaster called them out on it?

If it was the former then I don't think it means anything, but if it was the latter... I think it was the former but maybe worth checking?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:58 GMT
#162
Okay so it was the former. Still though I have a hard time understanding Oatsmaster's posts..... Idk maybe he's just town because his posting looks really awful but I don't think he would do that as mafia because he knows better and can do better? Which is a pretty darn stupid argument but it's the best I have?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 06:01 GMT
#163
On June 07 2024 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty sure his post of not reading the rules was a joke regardless of his alignment.
You think so? I actually think he meant it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 06:03 GMT
#164
Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 06:06 GMT
#165
I guess it's a pretty darn stupid line of reasoning and it's incredibly wifom but unfortunately I don't have anything better :/
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