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On June 10 2024 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
I think DMB is town. Just read her filter. Pourquoi? portuguese? definitely not spanish
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On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough.
Explain your stuff already. I’m interested!
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Rayn, sorry if I missed it, what do you think about slam now?
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On June 10 2024 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:34 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn, sorry if I missed it, what do you think about slam now? I know if this sounds stupid, but for this post https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=22#435 , i think Slam sounded town. I am not sure if i can explain it better, i can try if you want me to, but most likely it's not gonna be much of use. During N1 however he is being pretty sharp, which is not like Slam's MO in any case. I do not judge him on what he says, but how he says it. Idk how he seems to be waffling around me/you being mafia (while not saying so). It bothers me.
Yep cool. This all tracks.
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I do understand what Koshi is saying about Scott tbh
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On June 10 2024 04:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 04:34 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn, sorry if I missed it, what do you think about slam now? I know if this sounds stupid, but for this post https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=22#435 , i think Slam sounded town. I am not sure if i can explain it better, i can try if you want me to, but most likely it's not gonna be much of use. During N1 however he is being pretty sharp, which is not like Slam's MO in any case. I do not judge him on what he says, but how he says it. Idk how he seems to be waffling around me/you being mafia (while not saying so). It bothers me. I agree. I read his filter after DMB and I am not very convinced on slam.
Legit shot at mafia I think.
As much as I can think that about slam, anyway.
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On June 10 2024 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:55 marvellosity wrote:
I do understand what Koshi is saying about Scott tbh you definitely do, as you think he is town atm anyways.
Yes he’s confirming my biases basically :p
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On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:VivaxVivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate.
For some reason it took me a long time to understand this. But having spent said time, I think it’s a good case
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On June 10 2024 05:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:03 Trfel wrote:I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down  Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level. Besides activity I don't have good reasons either. I just clicked filter, saw 8ish pages, and read his doomsday posts with some misplaced enjoyment.
8ish pages isn’t a bad towncase tbh lol
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On June 10 2024 05:15 scott31337 wrote:
I've tried to re-read AZ's filter and search my name to try to build a "case" but I don't think I have the energy to and I don't think I could get the message across even If it was awesome.
The biggest thing that still stands is when AZ says I have not changed my views/reads when clearly I had/have.
I'm willing to keep going though because Koshi is such a refreshing voice so far. I know some people can't stand Koshi's play-style, but I enjoy it (as long as he doesn't get personal)
Eh I love Koshi’s play style
Kinda given up on him as mafia already
Boring
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On June 10 2024 05:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 05:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 05:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap Nha as long as I don't townread Mocsta Sandroba and for example Slam I am still good. As mafia for sure because I wouldn't expect town to actually lynch my scumreads. I’m assuming you still think marv is scum so you have 4 non hard townreads, none of which make sense together come on man, he is not unreasonable... What does this mean lol It is not unreasonable for him to think scott is town, just because (you?) dont agree. Like fuck, i dont agree with him but his town case is not unreasonable. Koshi mafia because he has too many townreads, is that simple enough for you?
There’s too much stream of consciousness though
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On June 10 2024 05:31 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:20 Vivax wrote:
One cannot not like Koshi.
He‘s the hypno-buddha in the flesh fewer and fewer town points for you. Maybe I have to reread you filter. you are paranoid about RL but not about the game. Thats kinda strange. I don´t like that
Shit is gettin real up in here
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On June 10 2024 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
am i becoming a vivax?
I take it back, this is the best rayn quote ever
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On June 10 2024 05:47 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:42 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 05:41 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 05:36 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 05:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 05:34 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 05:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 05:20 Vivax wrote:
One cannot not like Koshi.
He‘s the hypno-buddha in the flesh fewer and fewer town points for you. Maybe I have to reread you filter. you are paranoid about RL but not about the game. Thats kinda strange. I don´t like that Excuse me but how does that post cost me town points ? it´s not about this post it´s in general like you are not paranoid enough about the game. Pretty narcissist thing to say I‘m not insane enough for you. not insane enough in the game. more passion pls. more paranoia pls. more game solving pls. Did I really fucking read you wrong? Maybe I should not always be so sure about your first impression in the game. Just because I know you in rl and I always thought it would be easier to read you first, doesn´t mean I should do this.... No I think you are reading me off bullshit. And I think it‘s fair if I want to lynch you for not showing loyalty. I showed you loyalty in the last game. I trusted you. I wanted you as (crazy)mayor. no one had understood why i was sure that our mayor was town. I tried to explain but nobody understood. my words... my vote for you... almost cost me my life and yet I was loyal to you. But now in this game you are not a mayor and you shouldn't be one. maybe you rule in a dark world where I don't want to support you
Eh? You were calling him mafia that game. I distinctly remember it
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Yep okay. Carry on 
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On June 10 2024 06:00 Vivax wrote:I can vote her on policy. As for the personality I think it‘s glaringly obvious
Can we have an actual town/mafia read please?!
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I don’t give a flying fuck if you’d vote her on policy
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On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.
I like this
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On June 10 2024 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 02:23 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn why did you ask to be masonry day 1? Because i like to talk with someone in private. I know where youre getting at, not a good point. I'd know that a mafia and it would be a bad thing for me. If you think i am lying about my responsibilities and time constraints outside the game just say so. Thats a valid case, unfortunately wrong, but i cant do anything about it if peoplechoose to believe you. thjs... if he is town and thinks i am mafia why not push it further?
He can accept your answer
I did, it’s just NAI
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