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You can OMGUS but that’s weak
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On June 10 2024 13:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 13:12 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 13:08 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:01 Trfel wrote:
Maybe the reduced posting style is better after all. Maybe it makes people more willing to read your posts and take you seriously if you aren't posting so darn much. can we ditch the cases for a second what do you view as the significant puzzle pieces in this game? im asking as that may unlock what is holding back town from uniting. e.g. sandroba is a puzzle piece with a lot of push-pull tension scott is another controversial push-pull are there other parts of the game like this? I think scott31337 has (by existing) caused the most division, and it's not close. ok, do we need a scott flip to draw out conclusions? what is likely to be the case if town, or scum? this would hard confirm az yeah? what about the shitpile of reads? what firms up? to me this is different exploration than association team spits.
Yeah it’s an even bigger waste of time
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On June 10 2024 13:34 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 13:21 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:12 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 13:08 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:01 Trfel wrote:
Maybe the reduced posting style is better after all. Maybe it makes people more willing to read your posts and take you seriously if you aren't posting so darn much. can we ditch the cases for a second what do you view as the significant puzzle pieces in this game? im asking as that may unlock what is holding back town from uniting. e.g. sandroba is a puzzle piece with a lot of push-pull tension scott is another controversial push-pull are there other parts of the game like this? I think scott31337 has (by existing) caused the most division, and it's not close. ok, do we need a scott flip to draw out conclusions? what is likely to be the case if town, or scum? this would hard confirm az yeah? what about the shitpile of reads? what firms up? to me this is different exploration than association team spits. Yeah it’s an even bigger waste of time thanks mate can always count on you to pop up out of the wood work you voting me or what?
Not yet.
You gonna give some real thoughts anytime soon?
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On June 10 2024 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel, Koshi, Oats, Vivax.
Which of you townread AZ at the eon1?
Not even need to answer, just a mental note formyself to check when i am home.
Me
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Sandro feeling very forced rn
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On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol
and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate
maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread
i still wanna lynch sandy -_-
idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post. Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait . Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time. If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt. Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az. My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis? After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076 I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction. I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way. I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now. Carry on with the read and we see where it goes It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too
You think that case is good?
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On June 10 2024 23:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol
and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate
maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread
i still wanna lynch sandy -_-
idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post. Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait . Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time. If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt. Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az. My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis? After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076 I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction. I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way. I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now. Carry on with the read and we see where it goes It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too You think that case is good? read my.prior post to sandroba for significance
The question is yes/no + why lmao. Why don’t you wanna answer it
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On June 10 2024 23:35 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 23:22 Mocsta wrote:
Oats. Will you be joining the vivax wagon? Oi Don't cock block my question to sandroba and then fuck off without answering mine Love you too 
Idk
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@trfel
Vivax has trouble keeping up his activity as mafia, it stands to reason that he'd struggle even more when facing large odds. (explanation: if you have a hard time posting and keeping active as mafia, then that's even harder when your purpose for posting, staying alive, seems out of reach)
He’s not having trouble keeping his activity up though? Like this is straight up not actually happening
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Oh nvm trfel agrees with me
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On June 11 2024 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TLDR;
If sandroba thinks rsoultin is mafia and Oats is town, there is simply no reason to say Oats can be mafia with rsoultin.
[vote Sandro]
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@scott why you ninja voting Sandro?
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On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve?
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Trfel in the blender all because he doesn’t wanna play with me, his best town buddy
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On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time.
This is low activity
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On June 11 2024 05:06 sandroba wrote:
Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home.
##unvote
##vote: dmb
Over explanation, very stilted and has “even if she’s town it’s a good lynch” which is terrible
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Sandro has 3 fucking pages man how much less are you expecting him to do
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On June 11 2024 09:41 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:33 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of
((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)? Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much cool Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott. I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier. I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player. I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch? I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best. I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest. That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive. I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple. Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well. That’s true. And I agree that it’s hard because there are too few obv townies. But I think that’s what points to Rayn koshi as mafia. Cause we know they are capable of being obv town, especially when they are playing together
Too few obv townie? We are not playing the same game clearly
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On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear.
So again I ask, how does he self resolve?
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He just doesn’t post for the next 24 hours? Is that your expectation
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