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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 08:57 GMT
#1501
On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote:
I will mull your oats point


Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared.

There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml.

Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction.

That means mafia wanted to lynch kels.

If so, why is that?

I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it


Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv?

I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it.

Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t.

To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question.

Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 08:57 GMT
#1502
On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote:
I will mull your oats point


Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared.

There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml.

Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction.

That means mafia wanted to lynch kels.

If so, why is that?

I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it


Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv?

I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it.

Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t.

To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question.

Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy

I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 09:01 GMT
#1505
On June 09 2024 17:59 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote:
I will mull your oats point


Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared.

There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml.

Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction.

That means mafia wanted to lynch kels.

If so, why is that?

I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it


Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv?

I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it.

Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t.

To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question.

Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy

I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are.


Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense

I remember last time I played a bit drunk I found it difficult to get over how DMB couldn’t make a coherent argument on why Vivax was mafia in the mayor game, given Vivax had claimed Jk.

I was nk and naturally DMB turned out town, just had a totally illogical Vivax read.

The Scott thing last night gives me shades of that a bit
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 09:03 GMT
#1507
On June 09 2024 17:59 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote:
I will mull your oats point


Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared.

There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml.

Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction.

That means mafia wanted to lynch kels.

If so, why is that?

I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it


Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv?

I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it.

Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t.

To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question.

Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy

I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are.


Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense

The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed on

I am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷‍♂️
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 09:05 GMT
#1510
On June 09 2024 18:04 AlphaZero wrote:
Here is the thing. His top scum read and the lynch he was pushing flipped town. And his reads didn’t change AT ALL. It was just, let’s keep lynching down my list. Which as it happens has another townie at the top.

Even for bad players that’s not a normal response as town.

Okay so maybe I do have to reread a little lol
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 09:05 GMT
#1511
On June 09 2024 18:05 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 18:03 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:59 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote:
I will mull your oats point


Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared.

There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml.

Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction.

That means mafia wanted to lynch kels.

If so, why is that?

I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it


Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv?

I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it.

Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t.

To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question.

Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy

I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are.


Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense

The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed on

I am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷‍♂️


I already said I’m not DP.

Then you are less likely to be mafia then
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 09:09 GMT
#1514
On June 09 2024 18:06 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 18:05 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 18:05 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 18:03 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:59 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:
[quote]

Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared.

There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml.

Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction.

That means mafia wanted to lynch kels.

If so, why is that?

I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it


Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv?

I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it.

Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t.

To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question.

Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy

I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are.


Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense

The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed on

I am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷‍♂️


I already said I’m not DP.

Then you are less likely to be mafia then


I think you overrate dp

I don’t think I do. He did a number on me as mafia a couple games ago. He’s good at talking to me and saying things in a natural manner, pretty much unlike almost anyone else as mafia. And obviously capable of hilarious levels of activity/investment.

Hope he’s not reading this, hate throwing the dude a compliment
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 11:45 GMT
#1521
On June 09 2024 20:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote:
I will mull your oats point


Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the
Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction.

That means mafia wanted to lynch kels.

That’s not what it means at all? There are at least 4 town on the kel wagon
It could mean that mafia didn’t care who got lynched or they didn’t want to have to explain their Scott!town vote


Yes, this can all be true.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 11:45 GMT
#1522
Fixed the quotes for you too :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 11:52 GMT
#1523
In that world, does DMB know it was tvt?

Her reason for tr Scott was weak
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 11:58 GMT
#1528
On June 09 2024 20:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 20:52 marvellosity wrote:
In that world, does DMB know it was tvt?

Her reason for tr Scott was weak

She did this in the long game too but she was wrong/town

Same lack of reasoning?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 11:59 GMT
#1530
In town-DMB world, I feel quite strongly that she has an aversion to lynching ‘lynch baity’ players, because I think she sees herself in that position and doesn’t like it happening to others like her.

It’s what makes it really tricky to figure out the motivations behind it
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 12:05 GMT
#1532
Slams filter is such trash. I don’t know what that actually means but it’s just …

I said earlier in the game I didn’t believe in rayn/slam mafia but tbh there’s literally no reason why not really at this stage
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 12:15 GMT
#1534
On June 09 2024 21:13 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 21:05 marvellosity wrote:
Slams filter is such trash. I don’t know what that actually means but it’s just …

I said earlier in the game I didn’t believe in rayn/slam mafia but tbh there’s literally no reason why not really at this stage


Too easy though.

No such thing. I’m not saying it’s necessarily the case but if it is then neither of them were in any (real) danger yet.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 12:19 GMT
#1535
Trfel
AZ
Vivax
Oats
Sand
Mocsta
Scott
DMB
Koshi
Rayn
Slam

Let’s say this is a very rough order because beyond near the top a lot can move about. And it doesn’t even really mean I think slam is most likely to be mafia either. I just didn’t know where else to put him.

Who do you guys reckon I’ve got quite a lot wrong?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 12:22 GMT
#1536
What strikes me is how few confident townreads I have
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 12:53 GMT
#1541
On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.

@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.

Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.

@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow?

I have sort of a… privileged? view of Koshi in that I’ve played with him a million times and I sort of know what he should or shouldn’t be thinking if that makes sense. It’s hard to externalise this for others though, but I think you can see what I’m getting at by the posts I’ve directed at him this phase.

By contrast, the triumvirate in the middle (moc, Scott, DMB) I find it extremely difficult to walk in their shoes which makes them very challenging for me
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 12:54 GMT
#1542
On June 09 2024 21:42 Trfel wrote:
Maybe Mocsta is mafia, definitely worth considering. I might not be scared enough of his scum play. I just have a soft spot for the way he posts tbh. It's hard to really figure out his alignment because we think so differently tbh.

His willingness to switch reads and try different angles makes me think he is town, but I suppose he could fake that as mafia.

I’m glad we can at least have a conversation about it at some stage. Although that’s making some nk assumptions xD
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 13:02 GMT
#1545
On June 09 2024 22:01 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 21:53 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.

@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.

Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.

@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow?

I have sort of a… privileged? view of Koshi in that I’ve played with him a million times and I sort of know what he should or shouldn’t be thinking if that makes sense. It’s hard to externalise this for others though, but I think you can see what I’m getting at by the posts I’ve directed at him this phase.

By contrast, the triumvirate in the middle (moc, Scott, DMB) I find it extremely difficult to walk in their shoes which makes them very challenging for me
Oh, I also think that some (a decent amount really) of Koshi's reasoning seems far-fetched, at least to me. My take is that Koshi actually believes it though? It's just very hard for me to say that someone can't possibly believe what they say they believe, I think that argument requires you to know someone really really well, and unless you really know what you are doing, you're far more likely to be wrong.

For example, I think that argument (this person should know better) was useful for catching mafia!raynpelikoneet a few games back, after he hard defended mafia!die_meatbaby and gave himself away in doing so. But that's a special case because I know raynpelikoneet was a strong player and he went to extreme lengths trying to keep die_meatbaby alive. Maybe you can make judgements like that about Koshi, I certainly am not capable of it.

Yes, that’s fair.

I do think I can make judgments like that about Koshi is the net of it
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 13:05 GMT
#1547
On June 09 2024 22:03 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 21:54 marvellosity wrote:
On June 09 2024 21:42 Trfel wrote:
Maybe Mocsta is mafia, definitely worth considering. I might not be scared enough of his scum play. I just have a soft spot for the way he posts tbh. It's hard to really figure out his alignment because we think so differently tbh.

His willingness to switch reads and try different angles makes me think he is town, but I suppose he could fake that as mafia.

I’m glad we can at least have a conversation about it at some stage. Although that’s making some nk assumptions xD
I mean we can talk about it now? xD

I haven’t got much to moan about mocstas recent posting in all honesty. Tbh maybe just take the stuff I’ve brought up previously and approach it with the mindset that he’s not town for the reasons you previously thought and see where that takes you?
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