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On March 07 2024 20:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:17 Rels wrote:JAT I would really like an answer on this. Not really my defense on the shitty case, but the last part. I don't understand how what you wrote makes it so one of Palmar/me have to be scumOn March 07 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say.
@Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. 1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel 2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. ???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this? Sure, you are right - the last part is not a conclusion of the findings in this post alone. You need to put it into context with the one about palmar I wrote just before this one. I think it is likely, that there is a mafia between you. Like rayn, I wouldn't even rule out that you are both.
You're saying this but I still don't get it even taking the Palmar case in consideration. It's nothing more than "I scumread Palmar and Rels so there must be one scum between them in my worldview"? Or if it's something, can you summarize it in one sentence?
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On March 07 2024 22:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 22:18 Rels wrote:On March 07 2024 20:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 13:17 Rels wrote:JAT I would really like an answer on this. Not really my defense on the shitty case, but the last part. I don't understand how what you wrote makes it so one of Palmar/me have to be scumOn March 07 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:
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It's a stark difference to his level last game.
He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out.
But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:
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Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say.
@Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:
[quote]To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. 1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel 2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. ???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this? Sure, you are right - the last part is not a conclusion of the findings in this post alone. You need to put it into context with the one about palmar I wrote just before this one. I think it is likely, that there is a mafia between you. Like rayn, I wouldn't even rule out that you are both. You're saying this but I still don't get it even taking the Palmar case in consideration. It's nothing more than "I scumread Palmar and Rels so there must be one scum between them in my worldview"? Or if it's something, can you summarize it in one sentence? No, it is not only that (but of course also true). First of all you were very convinced he is mafia. Since I consider you a good player that makes it more likely he is mafia if you are not. Second you had 0 issue to switch with him onto my wagon while being this convinced about him. Which is what triggered rayn so hard. Made the most sense to him if you are both mafia and you were pushing your buddy for a reason you genuinely believe makes him scum but I think you could also do it if he is town and you want your vote to look relevant. Forgetting that you probably should not uncritically follow your #1 mafia read onto his preferred wagon.
OK, I can see the last bit make sense
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On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think this is a very townie post
The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart
Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie
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On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote:Just organizing my thoughts VEIf you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia. TTSYes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote:
DP and Vivax what are your reads?
All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act. Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him. PalmarI feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia.
AWESOME find on TTS! "And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?" cannot ever make sense if it is not faked to appear clueless town??? 100% scum
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iamperfection we have the exact same worldview right now. Anything on your mind on Jealous and DMB? That's the 2 I want to form a read on tonight
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On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why.
Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up
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On March 08 2024 12:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels what is your view on cake.
Town. Lots of out-there theories, logics and posts that she absolutely don't need to make as scum, and that I don't remember her doing as scum
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On March 08 2024 12:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:31 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote:Just organizing my thoughts VEIf you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia. TTSYes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me. On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote:
DP and Vivax what are your reads?
All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act. On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him. PalmarI feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia. AWESOME find on TTS! "And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?" cannot ever make sense if it is not faked to appear clueless town??? 100% scum Remember this for later.
Later when you try to shot him? 
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On March 08 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why. Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia.
In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself
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On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility
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On March 08 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:37 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why. Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia. In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself That looks like standard mafia fare to me. Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival.
Comparing CopCake with that game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?user=CopCake&view=all
I think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ...
This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4)
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Oh yeah, the cancelled game. Not going to read it tonight for sure, I wanted to take a look at DMB ...
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MZ you're so town
I think Oats will flip scum if that can help lol. Apparently nobody else agreed, but I thought his entrance was pretty scummy
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Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though
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On March 05 2024 03:15 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. I have to mention that I have read so many games from Vivax from the last decade. I can't remember a single game where he claimed a PR as Mafia. He only does something like that when he's really blue or at least green. I think he wouldn't do shit like that, which happens often and ends bad for scum, on day 1 as a scum. toooooo fucking risky. First lowkey townread I have so far. Maybe we should really make him mayor. He would not ever do that so early and risking d1 lynch for that. Would be to insane
Why did you use "lowkey" there? That doesn't match with the rest of the words, that indicates a pretty strong townread - or with your posts afterwards
On March 05 2024 11:52 die_meatbaby wrote:RaynShow nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:
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Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming,
Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish.
Why? I don't understand the reasonnig. Can you summarize in 1 sentence why you thought it made rayn scum at the time?
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On March 08 2024 13:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The one night of the week I have time to stay up late and eveyrone else goes to bed.
Oh well this bottle of bourbon won't drink itself lol
Rels, Cop, DP how are you?
copcake I swear I'm not obsessed with you, please just answer me regarding your questions of slam about his oats check. I'm trying to come to grips with the impossible rn.
Hey also going to sleep imminently though haha
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On March 08 2024 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels can I get a list post of your reads please?
Scum: Palmar, TTS, VE, Oats
Possibly scum: DMB
Town: The rest apart from Jealous for which I have no read
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On March 08 2024 13:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:37 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:
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Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why. Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia. In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself That looks like standard mafia fare to me. Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival. Comparing CopCake with that game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?user=CopCake&view=allI think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ... This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4) I think her other game is more similar, and she had around 13 pages
Yeah? I'll have to take a look tomorrow
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On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote:
I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats.
Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches.
They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels
MZ
VE
Jacob
Palmar
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2 different bad takes in the same post by Koshi
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