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On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well.
I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now.
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Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it.
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On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it.
Good post.
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On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
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Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia?
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Do you have a riddle for me Trfel?
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On December 10 2023 21:49 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
Unvote
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia?
I think you could be, but I am less inclined to try and lynch you right now because:
1.) you are active and engaged in the thread, and
2.) transparent about your thought processes and reasoning
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On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a riddle for me Trfel? Mostly just this:On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no?
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On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:Mostly just this: Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no?
It gives him an option to acknowledge it was a terrible post without saying it was a terrible post.
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On December 10 2023 21:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:49 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
Unvote
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia? I think you could be, but I am less inclined to try and lynch you right now because: 1.) you are active and engaged in the thread, and 2.) transparent about your thought processes and reasoning I see, that makes a little more sense. I was finding it suspicious that you seemed so sure of me being mafia (see here for example) and then call it a pressure and back off. Conveniently after people such as marvellosity and Vivax also show suspicion about sandroba's opening post and your push onto me didn't seem to get much support. It feels like you're giving up really easily, for being so certain, unless it was just a pressure, but it doesn't read like a pressure to me? Or maybe that's the point of the pressure.
Regardless though, the timing feels rather convenient.
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On December 10 2023 21:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a riddle for me Trfel? Mostly just this: On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no? It gives him an option to acknowledge it was a terrible post without saying it was a terrible post. What does that acknowledgment provide?
Also, any thoughts on Alakaslam? I know he plays a bit on impulse but I still find it very strange how his thoughts followed the thread sentiment so directly.
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On December 10 2023 21:59 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:51 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:49 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
Unvote
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia? I think you could be, but I am less inclined to try and lynch you right now because: 1.) you are active and engaged in the thread, and 2.) transparent about your thought processes and reasoning I see, that makes a little more sense. I was finding it suspicious that you seemed so sure of me being mafia (see here for example) and then call it a pressure and back off. Conveniently after people such as marvellosity and Vivax also show suspicion about sandroba's opening post and your push onto me didn't seem to get much support. It feels like you're giving up really easily, for being so certain, unless it was just a pressure, but it doesn't read like a pressure to me? Or maybe that's the point of the pressure.Regardless though, the timing feels rather convenient.
Pretty much that, except it wasn't just pressure.
I don't care about the timing or what it looks like, I would tunnel you regardless of what anyone else thinks if I thought it was the best way to solve the game, but it had run its course, and we were about to start going in circles.
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On December 10 2023 22:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:59 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:51 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:49 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
Unvote
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia? I think you could be, but I am less inclined to try and lynch you right now because: 1.) you are active and engaged in the thread, and 2.) transparent about your thought processes and reasoning I see, that makes a little more sense. I was finding it suspicious that you seemed so sure of me being mafia (see here for example) and then call it a pressure and back off. Conveniently after people such as marvellosity and Vivax also show suspicion about sandroba's opening post and your push onto me didn't seem to get much support. It feels like you're giving up really easily, for being so certain, unless it was just a pressure, but it doesn't read like a pressure to me? Or maybe that's the point of the pressure.Regardless though, the timing feels rather convenient. Pretty much that, except it wasn't just pressure. I don't care about the timing or what it looks like, I would tunnel you regardless of what anyone else thinks if I thought it was the best way to solve the game, but it had run its course, and we were about to start going in circles.
It still feels to me like you are kind of just forcing yourself to scum hunt instead of being naturally curious about people's alignment, but maybe that's just your style.
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On December 10 2023 22:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:55 Vivax wrote:On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a riddle for me Trfel? Mostly just this: On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no? It gives him an option to acknowledge it was a terrible post without saying it was a terrible post. What does that acknowledgment provide? Also, any thoughts on Alakaslam? I know he plays a bit on impulse but I still find it very strange how his thoughts followed the thread sentiment so directly.
It helps him unfreeze if he's mafia. Which helps me.
Slam looks okay. I don't think he's been following thread sentiment, just hanging around, posting random thoughts. Extremely laid back. Seems fine to me. It's like he's watching raindrops through a window of safety which suggests town.
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On December 10 2023 21:14 Palmar wrote:
Ignoring marv for the timelesss strategy of just murdering him if he doesn’t deliver me mafia.
Nice to play with you again too 
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On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it.
Have you met Palmar?
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On December 10 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. Good post.
Is it though
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On December 10 2023 21:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:16 DarthPunk wrote:It just seems to me that you came roaring out of the gate with a huge case, based on some nitpicking really early in the thread, and you end up going nowhere on anything which is the essence of what the case you wrote on Sandro in the first place. Now fair enough, sandroba hasn't been around so you haven't been able to pursue things further. But your level of aggression just didn't really match with what was going on in the thread at the time, which you kind of acknowledge at the start of said post. On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. It's almost like an apology, like what were you waiting for? And now you are kind of backtracking, which also doesn't match with the way you lead out originally. it's all quite jarring to me. I assume you are talking to me, I am having a bit of trouble understanding what you are actually getting at here though. Yes, I think sandroba is suspicious. No, I wouldn't wager high stakes on it. He's one of the people I'm most interested in (along with Alakaslam and perhaps yourself and an off-chance of Vivax, but I'm not certain yet. I posted the way I did to try and figure out sandroba's alignment (and eventually everyone else's). Just because I'm not very confident yet doesn't mean that I can't figure things out and investigate and that sort of thing. I didn't bring any aggression, that's just me trying to ask questions and figure things out. If there is anything you'd like me to clear up please don't hesitate to ask, I'm just having a bit of trouble understanding this post though, it feels a bit nebulous to me.
Wanna tell me about this, Trfel?
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On December 10 2023 22:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. Good post. Is it though
The first sentence and last paragraph yes. I was thinking along the same lines.
I really respect Palmars play and wanted more than cocky one liners at around the same time that vivacious posted that.
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On December 10 2023 22:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. Good post. Is it though The first sentence and last paragraph yes. I was thinking along the same lines. I really respect Palmars play and wanted more than cocky one liners at around the same time that vivacious posted that.
… do you remember his play?
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On December 10 2023 22:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 22:49 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. Good post. Is it though The first sentence and last paragraph yes. I was thinking along the same lines. I really respect Palmars play and wanted more than cocky one liners at around the same time that vivacious posted that. … do you remember his play?
Not really. I remember watching an analysis video he posted. That’s about it.
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