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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 12 2023 09:30 GMT
#1101
On December 12 2023 18:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 18:25 Palmar wrote:
The more I think about it the more I want to kill HF.

rayn also just kinda fucked off, but at least he confirmed me town.

Yes re - rayn, but I was not upset with any of the posts he actually made.

Normally when he is mafia I get upset with what he is pushing.

yeah rayn is further up the totem pole. Just not as helpful as I'd like him to be.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 12 2023 09:33 GMT
#1102
I also don't like how Koshi is playing but still think he's town. This whole "woe is me cause I can't play scum" spiel is tiring and bad.

But his reads have been pretty much matching mine.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 12 2023 09:34 GMT
#1103
Koshi, DP and dmb are my townreads atm

Trfel is lean town but he dropped off hard, rayn is also neat but also lazy

HF, Sandroba and maybe marv are scumreads. some of today has made me think marv maybe a little less scummy so the other two are the ones I wanna murder I think

Then we have slam and chez
Computer says mafia
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 12 2023 09:35 GMT
#1104
On December 12 2023 18:27 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 18:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 12 2023 18:19 marvellosity wrote:
On December 12 2023 18:17 Palmar wrote:
On December 12 2023 18:12 marvellosity wrote:
I’m really not mafia, Palmar. And you need to understand this if we are going to win or town are going to lose.

Can you explain some more about Slam for me please?

I understood your point about the smiley question that gave you a townread early on, but I have concerns.

I’m struggling that Slam believes I was assuming Koshi was town in that little drama that went down.

Also, and I know this is very self centred, there’s a post Slam made where he said he could not ‘find any reason to scumread sandro’ (I am paraphrasing). Slam always pays attention to what I say, I find it hard to believe he brushes me under the carpet that easily.


I can't and don't read troll players.

My entire (and very much overblown) townread was based on 2 things

1. the smiley question
2. the fact he invited me to be his mason friend (which I don't think he'd do as mafia where he knows I'm town).

Shooting slam is a good idea, same with Chez.

Chez only. We can get there on Slam. I think my concerns are valid though



I think you are both wrong that either of them are unreadable fwiw


You can get there, but the effort is just not worth it. It's much easier to shoot trolls than to worry about them.

Reading comprehensible people is a way better use of my time.



Leave it to me then.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 12 2023 09:37 GMT
#1105
@palmar I think it’s probably good to operate under the assumption that Marv is town for a bit and see what he does.

That’s my plan anyway.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 12 2023 09:39 GMT
#1106
On December 12 2023 18:37 DarthPunk wrote:
@palmar I think it’s probably good to operate under the assumption that Marv is town for a bit and see what he does.

That’s my plan anyway.

I'm kinda already doing that.

It's a pretty good dynamic. I think he's scum all the time, but also happily work with him to solve the game. It makes his life harder and I like my marv annoyed and on edge.

He's still a good check.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 09:41 GMT
#1107
On December 12 2023 18:37 DarthPunk wrote:
@palmar I think it’s probably good to operate under the assumption that Marv is town for a bit and see what he does.

That’s my plan anyway.

All I am going to do is try to kill sandro with fire.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 12 2023 09:45 GMT
#1108
I wonder if trfel would open with a bus on his own teammate.

That whole thing was really weird and forced.

And then it kind of disappeared. Like for how aggro trfel was at the start on sandro, he dropped that whole thing and then he dropped the stuff with me too.

It’s almost like all the proactivity at the start ended up with nothing.

And at the end he just flipped onto vivax.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 09:47 GMT
#1109
Palmar
DP
DMB
Koshi
Rayn
Trfel
Hf
Slam
Chez
Sandro
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 09:48 GMT
#1110
On December 12 2023 18:45 DarthPunk wrote:
I wonder if trfel would open with a bus on his own teammate.

That whole thing was really weird and forced.

And then it kind of disappeared. Like for how aggro trfel was at the start on sandro, he dropped that whole thing and then he dropped the stuff with me too.

It’s almost like all the proactivity at the start ended up with nothing.

And at the end he just flipped onto vivax.

I’ve wondered this too. I stil don’t think it’s likely, but I think it’s likely enough to consider seriously
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 12 2023 09:51 GMT
#1111
On December 12 2023 18:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 18:45 DarthPunk wrote:
I wonder if trfel would open with a bus on his own teammate.

That whole thing was really weird and forced.

And then it kind of disappeared. Like for how aggro trfel was at the start on sandro, he dropped that whole thing and then he dropped the stuff with me too.

It’s almost like all the proactivity at the start ended up with nothing.

And at the end he just flipped onto vivax.

I’ve wondered this too. I stil don’t think it’s likely, but I think it’s likely enough to consider seriously

Also sandro’s waffling on Trfel is REALLY WEIRD
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2023 09:54 GMT
#1112
On December 12 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 18:48 marvellosity wrote:
On December 12 2023 18:45 DarthPunk wrote:
I wonder if trfel would open with a bus on his own teammate.

That whole thing was really weird and forced.

And then it kind of disappeared. Like for how aggro trfel was at the start on sandro, he dropped that whole thing and then he dropped the stuff with me too.

It’s almost like all the proactivity at the start ended up with nothing.

And at the end he just flipped onto vivax.

I’ve wondered this too. I stil don’t think it’s likely, but I think it’s likely enough to consider seriously

Also sandro’s waffling on Trfel is REALLY WEIRD


I think Sandro inorganically arrived at a trfel town read and I'm not quite sure how it happened tbh.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2023 09:55 GMT
#1113
Unsure if that implies partner equity or just that sandro wanted to fit with thread sentiment more. I'd assume if they weren't partners, a mafia sandro would like to keep that option more open so possibly wouldn't have done that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2023 09:56 GMT
#1114
On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.

I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this.

People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)



If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance.


+ Show Spoiler +
Lol!!


Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting.


Still valid.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 12 2023 10:04 GMT
#1115
On December 12 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 18:48 marvellosity wrote:
On December 12 2023 18:45 DarthPunk wrote:
I wonder if trfel would open with a bus on his own teammate.

That whole thing was really weird and forced.

And then it kind of disappeared. Like for how aggro trfel was at the start on sandro, he dropped that whole thing and then he dropped the stuff with me too.

It’s almost like all the proactivity at the start ended up with nothing.

And at the end he just flipped onto vivax.

I’ve wondered this too. I stil don’t think it’s likely, but I think it’s likely enough to consider seriously

Also sandro’s waffling on Trfel is REALLY WEIRD


Yeah agree they waffle on each other. Which is kind of ??? Based on how they started.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 12 2023 10:04 GMT
#1116
On December 12 2023 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.

I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this.

People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)



If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance.


+ Show Spoiler +
Lol!!


Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting.


Still valid.


Hard agree
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2023 10:06 GMT
#1117
Going on the assumption that sandroba is mafia, I think it's unlikely that he makes this post about a partner rayn:

On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.

Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia?

Is that supposed to change something?

Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.

Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember.


I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.


but I still feel extremely off about the people he is mentioning that aren't rayn

On December 11 2023 05:11 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Also:

On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.

Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia?

Is that supposed to change something?

Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.

Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember.


I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.


Of all the posts in the thread I also take umbrage with the fact that you've essentially taken this one as a pseudo way of defending yourself. I also would like you to elaborate on this some more because there are several interpretations of what this can actually mean and it's vague enough that you can use it to imply many things.

That's not a defense of me, as I could be mafia and DP town in this scenario. The fact that rayn's brain read that exchange and thought "No way 2 mafia would do that as partners" I think demonstrates a towny trying to solve the game.


The follow up kind of confirms the rayn thing and I still just ?????? that he decided to take the scenario where he is mafia to use as an explanation
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2023 10:27 GMT
#1118
If trfel is mafia is the first quote a slip? I just don't get it. "No way DP would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel".

Rayn's point was that DP and Sandroba probably weren't mafia together so how does "favour a partner" apply to this? Is it that he thought trfel was mafia at this point? That rayn thought trfel was mafia?

Either a slip or not something I think sandro would say about an actual mafia partner (trfel).
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2023 10:30 GMT
#1119
Actually think I may have caught him out on this with his follow up. The fact he defaulted to "I could be mafia and DP town" is probably an "oh shit" reaction to it even because that scenario doesn't fit with his point about rayn or what he was saying at all.

He says that rayn's point is good thinking because it shows that he's thinking about mafia partner interactions, but removing DP from being mafia in this equation (remember, rayn specifically only mentioned sandro and DP) doesn't make any sense.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 12 2023 10:34 GMT
#1120
Holy fuck,

Not Holy flare.

I think that is a slip, he is speaking like he himself is mafia, when that observation from rayn should apply to himself as town. (which is how I read it)

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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