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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
Why do I have strong maf reads and then no one can follow along, I think I need to improve how I push suspicion in the thread. Happened with Copcake too. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 11 2023 08:37 DarthPunk wrote: Why is Koshi strong town to you slam? Largely due to Marv. I think the problem is you don't vote your read and promote that with conviction. You vote after others suggest it. That is low key scummy but not damning (many players do this) so it doesn't get you SR outright but it also makes your efforts to convince others kinda feckless. That or I missed your earlier vote with conviction. Maybe you did that with Trfel but in that case, it would be due to "wrong target" as too many town read him at the time/weren't in the mood to throw down votes yet. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On December 11 2023 08:41 Alakaslam wrote: Largely due to Marv. I think the problem is you don't vote your read and promote that with conviction. You vote after others suggest it. That is low key scummy but not damning (many players do this) so it doesn't get you SR outright but it also makes your efforts to convince others kinda feckless. That or I missed your earlier vote with conviction. Maybe you did that with Trfel but in that case, it would be due to "wrong target" as too many town read him at the time/weren't in the mood to throw down votes yet. I'm talking about trfel, he is my only strong scum read right now. Koshi is closer to voting against the meta abuse. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 11 2023 07:14 DarthPunk wrote: Trefel has me in his top two lynch candidates, why would he do that and then talk to me like I'm town. - Trefel formed a "scum" (without actually calling me scum) read on me based on 'lack of thread presence' - Trefel then acknowledged that it was the middle of the night and that may explain the lack of thread presence -Trefel then proceeds to try and get several others to post their thoughts on me -Trefel then says I am suspicious based on lack of thread presence (which should be discounted based on timezones) and the fact I called sandroba town. -Trefel then says Sandroba looks better based on exactly the reasoning I gave for not finding Sandroba suspicious. Basically his justifications for his top 2 lynch candidate read on me is farcical. Regarding Holyflare: Did he actually try and justify that vote on you from the start of the game? Cause that does look bad. Can you quote this post? Trefel then says I am suspicious based on lack of thread presence (which should be discounted based on timezones) and the fact I called sandroba town. Probably a disservice to what you write but you fill up a lot of thread gets clogged up with you going back and forth with the person you already think is mafia to the point where I just zone out and don't want to engage anywhere near either of you. This post is probably good though if it is correct so thanks for the summary. I don't agree with your "he's calling me town" rhetoric though, I think that was clutching at straws. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 11 2023 08:42 Holyflare wrote: Can you quote this post? Probably a disservice to what you write but you fill up a lot of thread gets clogged up with you going back and forth with the person you already think is mafia to the point where I just zone out and don't want to engage anywhere near either of you. This post is probably good though if it is correct so thanks for the summary. I don't agree with your "he's calling me town" rhetoric though, I think that was clutching at straws. For some reason this post made me read DP’s summary there which I’d missed previously. It mostly looks okay so I will try give it a 2nd look tomorrow DP | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 11 2023 08:42 DarthPunk wrote: I'm talking about trfel, he is my only strong scum read right now. Koshi is closer to voting against the meta abuse. Oh Yeah then I just need more posts to observe and see that Trfel is likely before I can vote him. Not from you, I know where you stand and why. Only thing keeping me is that I know everyone (including myself) is capable of having excellent reasons to be dead wrong. Sure, you are convinced and have reason to be. But do I have reason to be? I conclude, no, not yet. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On December 11 2023 03:20 Trfel wrote: Side note, I feel similarly about DarthPunk though (lack of thread presence), since he dropped his push on me he seems content to not do too much. On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote: Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me. On December 11 2023 06:30 Trfel wrote: Two things. First is that after you unvoted me you seemed content to have no strong suspicion or push or thread presence, though I may be underestimating the impact of it being nighttime in Australia. Second thing is that some of your reasoning really doesn't line up. For example, what raynpelikoneet mentioned, your reason to townread sandroba being that he was suspicious of marvellosity. He didn't engage marvellosity or push for his lynch, he's wanting to lynch Vivax, it's easy to say "this person is mafia" and not back it up or push it at all. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 11 2023 08:42 Holyflare wrote: Can you quote this post? Probably a disservice to what you write but you fill up a lot of thread gets clogged up with you going back and forth with the person you already think is mafia to the point where I just zone out and don't want to engage anywhere near either of you. This post is probably good though if it is correct so thanks for the summary. I don't agree with your "he's calling me town" rhetoric though, I think that was clutching at straws. And see, this is why I can't SR HF despite his being my top suspect. Because he makes stuff like this and I know my own bias. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
 maybe patience issue xD | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I think you may be misunderstanding 3rd post? What do you think Trfel is saying there? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
I don't really see what's wrong with the second point. If you say you town read Sandroba because of his scum read on Marv and trfel thinks Sandro's reasoning is weak and it didn't seem like Sandro cared about it, why is it bad to dislike you? I'll have a look into the gap between you dropping the trfel read and going to bed to see if it was unfair or not though. Potentially doez have merit and might be something a mafia trfel would harp on in lieu of a more evolved read on someone else. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote: Trfel possible scum. Tfrel is not mafia. 1) He identified Vivax correctly. 2) He tries to pull in people in the thread, make them part of the conversation. In a very healthy way and is doing that consistently. 3) He had an argument with DP which he was undergoing at first, but after DP gave him breathing space, Tfrel continued the fight. This is very unlikely to come from mafia. If he was mafia he would more likely take a breather and try to position himself good in the thread as this would have been his tactic from the start. But instead he kinda nonsensical attacks DP again. But not in a way to shit in the thread, it reads as if he actually was surprised DP gave him breathing room and found it suspicious. Tfrel as mafia makes no sense. He took over from Sandrobe to be the town water carrier. People should help him instead of saying he is mafia or suspicious. He is doing the Lords work. You want people like your town read marv to carry this town instead. lael lael lael Or this HF that can't string up a decent argument? I think we should just all trust teh mafias and wait on Koshi to do something before we actually do something. That is a good tactic. I'll be waiting with them. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On December 11 2023 08:49 marvellosity wrote: I think you may be misunderstanding 3rd post? What do you think Trfel is saying there? The problem is two posts later he says On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote: Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. When I had said the following prior to him explaining the sandro stuff as a primary read on me. (it's essentially the same sentiment) On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote: I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 11 2023 08:53 Koshi wrote: Tfrel is not mafia. 1) He identified Vivax correctly. how do you know? 2) He tries to pull in people in the thread, make them part of the conversation. In a very healthy way and is doing that consistently. Yeah, so healthy he and DP had Marv begging them to stop (joke layers: 3. Yes the puns intended where they exist.) 3) He had an argument with DP which he was undergoing at first, but after DP gave him breathing space, Tfrel continued the fight. This is very unlikely to come from mafia. mafia never defend themselves, to be sure If he was mafia he would more likely take a breather and try to position himself good in the thread as this would have been his tactic from the start. I sure wouldn't But instead he kinda nonsensical attacks DP again. But not in a way to shit in the thread, it reads as if he actually was surprised DP gave him breathing room and found it suspicious. Maybe you see it that way- but I do not Tfrel as mafia makes no sense. if he is scum, that is a high compliment indeed He took over from Sandrobe to be the town water carrier. by SR sandroba? Doesn't that just make Trfel a hypocrite to you? Koshi are you just mafia here? People should help him instead of saying he is mafia or suspicious. He is doing the Lords work. I don't see that to be so. Schism is nothing new to the Church. I am Presbyterian, mostly. You want people like your town read marv to carry this town instead. lael lael lael is this directed at me anymore? Or this HF that can't string up a decent argument? I think we should just all trust teh mafias and wait on Koshi to do something before we actually do something. That is a good tactic. I will say your sarcasm here is warranted. Town be lazy right now. Me too. But I remain unconvinced. I'll be waiting with them. I reply in dark bloo | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Town are the only ones playing. Remember that. | ||
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