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On December 19 2023 23:04 sandroba wrote:
The thing about DMB is that she is overplaying the crazy act. Every time suspicion on her begins to climb, she pops in, starts acting crazy, misunderstanding posts, calling everyone mafia with no follow up, she is just all over the place.
Some of the time I must admit it just looks like a bad townie. But looking at it over the spam of the game I think it's very likely this is just an act, she realized at some point that this works and is just repeating this over and over.
You mean this?
I don't think it holds water. Most of the time the most controversial people are town and you should know that. She is very irrational, first game she was lynched just for this reasoning. It's not alignment indicative for her.
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Not that one, the one that actually exposes it was an act all along.
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Like in contrary i can ask you do you think DMB is more likely to play crazy as mafia when she is crazy as town, or would Trfel play wishy-washy on everything ever posted, as he is wishy-washy as town?
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We can talk about if it's you, Trfel, or Slam with DMB after we lynch the clear mafia today.
Not spilling the beans on what I think about that right now
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On December 20 2023 23:17 sandroba wrote:
Not that one, the one that actually exposes it was an act all along.
I don't really think anything exposes that in any way.
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On December 20 2023 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like in contrary i can ask you do you think DMB is more likely to play crazy as mafia when she is crazy as town, or would Trfel play wishy-washy on everything ever posted, as he is wishy-washy as town?
Look at the HF interaction, she thought HF could be mafia. So she in fact did not think what she acted like she did when she made the martyr post.
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On December 20 2023 01:49 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 00:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 00:25 Holyflare wrote:On December 18 2023 00:16 die_meatbaby wrote:
you guys can tell me I am paranoid about palmar beeing mafia but that it just an insane mafia play right there Why are you pretending like nobody in this game reads palmar as mafia and you're the only one fighting an uphill battle? Why have you never voted palmar? Who is mafia with palmar? There a people NOW who are thinking of him as scum, but not after the first lynch. I was alone with my thoughts there. I never votet on Palmar because it would just be a useless vote. First vote i need to safe vivax. (altough we missed one vote to safe him) Second 10 votes on chez... 1 vote on Palmar will chance the lynch... yeah.. I most likley think it would be Trfel or you! Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 04:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 04:01 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 03:58 Trfel wrote:
I understand what sandroba is saying about the Koshi kill and how that implicates marvellosity and Palmar. However, that just isn't how I am reading the game.
I would very much like to lynch die_meatbaby but if that isn't possible I would lynch Holyflare over Palmar. I can lynch DMB. I won't lynch HF rather lynch me than HF. Better do lose a normal Town then losing a blue one! I will die for Town and i will not care but i will not be with a lynch our hope for a vigi or something else what could help. I think these 2 posts here Trfel found are the strongest evidence that this is an act and DMB doesn't actually believe what she is saying. Only 4 hours before said HF was likely mafia. But 4 hours later she is telling us she is so sure HF is blue she wants to be lynched in his place. According to her she has been thinking HF is blue since N1, how can the first post ever make sense if that's how she sees it?
come on you literally said this is the strongest evidence that this is an act, and it's most likely not.
She said HF is mafia if Palmar is mafia, she voted for Palmar. It's not unreasonable to have a thought HF is mafia (or blue if Palmar is not), from her end...
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On December 20 2023 23:19 sandroba wrote:
We can talk about if it's you, Trfel, or Slam with DMB after we lynch the clear mafia today.
Not spilling the beans on what I think about that right now
Of course you think like that because you're mafia.
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It's unreasonable to hold these 2 thoughts at the same time. Either HFis 100% blue who I'll rather get lynched in his place, or he could be mafia.
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On December 20 2023 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2023 23:19 sandroba wrote:
We can talk about if it's you, Trfel, or Slam with DMB after we lynch the clear mafia today.
Not spilling the beans on what I think about that right now Of course you think like that because you're mafia.
I'll let everyone be the judge of that
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On December 20 2023 23:24 sandroba wrote:
It's unreasonable to hold these 2 thoughts at the same time. Either HFis 100% blue who I'll rather get lynched in his place, or he could be mafia.
That's not what she said though. If it was she would vote for herself.
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It's pretty obvious to me that you don't seem to have any doubts about DMB. Slam came in and had some doubts, you seem pretty dead set on saying dmb is town
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Well i hope you turn out to be mafia here, sandroba.
Otherwise i think we're 100% losing this game.
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On December 20 2023 23:27 sandroba wrote:
It's pretty obvious to me that you don't seem to have any doubts about DMB. Slam came in and had some doubts, you seem pretty dead set on saying dmb is town
yes.
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Either i am stupid as fuck or i am right, but that's what i am going to be with my vote today.
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I'm obviously not mafia. It's completely unreasonable that you wouldn't have a strong town read on me and would have one on dmb
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On December 20 2023 23:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm obviously not mafia. It's completely unreasonable that you wouldn't have a strong town read on me and would have one on dmb
You are not obviously not mafia.
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How about, if my case on Trfel is just all wrong, you comment on what's wrong about it and why he is town?
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I spent like 2 hours reading Trfel's filter yesterday, reading every spoiler and went into the scum game of Trfel marv linked, I'm fairly confident he is town. Your case shows you haven't done the same as me, you are misrpresenting some aspects, other arguments you make don't even show any mafia motivation.
What I see from Trfel is that he actually made a lot of very well thought out posts and did try to make arguments to lynch his scum reads (Chezinu, later DMB), but they were mostly ignored and fell in deaf ears since town was busy fighting each other. I recommend everyone to actually take the time and read his whole filter including spoilers, especially after day 2.
Another thing that happened is that after he masoned me we briefly discussed the game before I had to go to bed. We said we would talk again the following day and have another back and forth.
In between the time over the spam of 1.5 hours Trfel was posting his thoughts in the chat going over dmb filter while I was sleeping. To me that is extremely unreasonable that a mafia would ever be doing that with absolutely no expectation that they needed to do that.
Why would a mafia be putting in work reading filters and posting about it in chat, while there was absolutely no expectation in my part of him doing so? I don't think it's reasonable to assume any mafia would think I would town read for that.
It has crossed my mind that it could be palmar + trfel initially, but if that is the case they played an absolutely stellar scum game and I would be happy to lose to them.
If it's you, you played a very strong scum game, at some times I read you townie, but at some times you did things wihch I believe had motivated reasoning. DMB rellied on the newbie card, which I guess is fair but I would be extremelly mad losing to.
Slam played super well, rather lose to him than to you, but I'm open to reassessing that after dmb flips mafia.
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