EPTSo far my NK logic has held up.
It seems like I'm the only one that cares about thinking what makes sense for mafia to do in the NK. It's hard to imagine mafia is making their own life a lot more difficult with the sole purpose to confuse me.
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
So far my NK logic has held up. It seems like I'm the only one that cares about thinking what makes sense for mafia to do in the NK. It's hard to imagine mafia is making their own life a lot more difficult with the sole purpose to confuse me. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 20 2023 03:15 Palmar wrote: I mean yeah. Game is probably lost if scum team is outside Trfel/dmb I am probably just never lynching rayn. And slam has done very well if he’s mafia. And in lylo I think I always lynch Trfel over you Can we please go with Trfel first? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 20 2023 03:44 sandroba wrote: So far my NK logic has held up. It seems like I'm the only one that cares about thinking what makes sense for mafia to do in the NK. It's hard to imagine mafia is making their own life a lot more difficult with the sole purpose to confuse me. That is literally my strategy as scum with NKs. Who has best town voice? Who has most presence with that? Who is most correct? Mess with their theories or NK them, In that order. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Because I am not mafia and if you are town playing like this is losing the game. I do not get the impression you are paying any attention to what I am saying. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
You haven't responded to any posts I've made this game (if I recall correctly) since my response to sandroba's first post. At the very start of the game. I'm sorry for getting irritated, but I'm doing my best here and it feels like I am talking to an empty room. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Do you think dmb is the other mafia? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 20 2023 03:53 Trfel wrote: Have you said why I am mafia, and if so can you show me where? Because I am not mafia and if you are town playing like this is losing the game. I do not get the impression you are paying any attention to what I am saying. I admit, not much to anyone. I will filter you next but I just see DMB as ESL and you seem to be the only EPL pushing for her to die. I could be wrong | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
No | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I think DMB has everyone who speaks English as a Second Language thinking she is disingenuous while I haven't seen the same from Marv or Holyflare, but then I see it from Trfel. Also I think I should link Extractor Trick again. Whole team did nothing but bus We won Yeeha! | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 20 2023 07:37 Alakaslam wrote: I don't think English comprehension plays a significant effect on my reasoning but you are free to correct me if I am missing something?I admit, not much to anyone. I will filter you next but I just see DMB as ESL and you seem to be the only EPL pushing for her to die. I could be wrong | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On December 20 2023 01:22 Trfel wrote: die_meatbaby I believe that die_meatbaby is mafia due to the cognitive dissonance in her posts. As in, I cannot put together a town mindset that die_meatbaby's play is coming from that makes sense. For example, if someone says "I want to lynch person A" but their actions do not indicate that they think player A is mafia or that they actually care about lynching player A, that would be an example of the cognitive dissonance I am referring to. Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar + Show Spoiler + I thought Holyflare made a post about this but I can't seem to find it. It must have been someone else. Die_meatbaby has been scumreading Palmar the whole game, it's been quite the anti-Palmar crusade. However, she hasn't actually made any efforts to trying to lynch Palmar. She didn't even vote for Palmar until late day 3! Sure, die_meatbaby was scumreading Palmar night 1, and seemed pretty upset about it night 2. But when it actually comes down to it, die_meatbaby seems exceptionally content to vote for people other than Palmar, while Palmar is by far her biggest scumread. This doesn't match the mindset of someone who has been dead set on lynching Palmar this whole game. If you doubt this, read her filter yourself, or check the vote thread. When it's time to vote, die_meatbaby doesn't seem to care if Palmar lives or dies. Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out + Show Spoiler + This has become more clear towards the later portions of the game. Look at this series of posts after the day 3 lynch: On December 18 2023 22:04 die_meatbaby wrote: So, Palmar is mafia. Sandroba was saved by Chezinu when he voted for Vivax, which means sandroba is mafia, right? But Trfel is also maybe mafia! But there are only two members left alive for mafia?Trfel just waiting on which vote rayn was going and then voting on HF instead of Palmar... and I am more suspicious then this???? Maybe I am really wrong with Palmar and its Sandro and Trfel or Sandro and Palmar. How the fuck do I end up as scum in this bullshit scenario. I voted for Palmar. I was against HF lynch. I chanced my vote on Vivax as soon it was clear that he was town and we weren't anoth Townies at that lynch to chance it. Chez was suspicious for me just not my main scum reason and as I already said he is hard to read at least for me. Chez voting an 1 1/2 before lynch and not beeing here till lynch of Vivax is fucking suspicious. In America it's not fucking 4 am tell me that chez just safed you sandro. Because if Vivax didn't get lynched you would and he saved you!!! Tell me I am fucking right with this!! If you are scum just give up. Letting the newbie alive because it's always save to have somebody you can easy lynch. I am just a another version of VE. Always mafia lets VE alive. In every game VE was misslynch from Town (if he was Town) and you guys using me as your next misslynch for Town just because newbie looks scummy. "she writes different" She compares old games with the actual play still using here" She is not playing like the other that looks scummy". No you fucking with the wrong Town here. I am not VE and will do everything what this Town needs and if nobody sees this how chez just safed you at the vivax lynch I am obviously playing with the wrong people here. You all telling me how high you meta is and the experience you guys have over the last decade... yes we talking about a fucking decade and you don't see that. On December 18 2023 22:21 die_meatbaby wrote: Fuck off with this Palmar tunnel I have. I don't care who is mafia with you but you fucking are. Chez didn't vote on you at first and second lynch. It was so obvious that we couldn't believe it. But now I see the light at the end of my tunnel and this light is you. I can't step on the gas pedal, because the traffic light is so red... On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote: Suddenly posting about raynpelikoneet as well. Is she suspicious of him also? That makes four mafia in a two player game.I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. On December 18 2023 23:38 die_meatbaby wrote: And here goes marvellosity and Alakaslam too.The actuall fuck is goeing on here. I am at the point were i am just pissed on mafia for fooling us so hard. You got almost lynched 2 times at the first two lynches and chez saved you all two lynches even at the second one he rather voted on Trefel then on you. It is so obvious that i can´t believe it myself that that could actually be true. Rayn coming, telling in 2 or 3 sentences why he rather vote on HF than on me or Palmar. Trefel beeing around and just waiting with his vote what was the main reason why HF was lynched because he could have let it on me or on Palmar and then beeing sad about HF lynch. WTF is this here. MARV not even thinking a bit of Palmar beeing scum And Slam starts posting like chez and I don´t understand what he wants to say with his strange posts The hell i am suspicious of to many people here right now Please understand, it's not scummy to be suspicious of lots of people. The suspicious thing is the lack of desire to figure out which suspicious people are actually mafia and which are town. Die_meatbaby is very content to just have everyone as suspicious, which is extremely mafia motivated and shows no desire to solve the game. On December 18 2023 23:44 die_meatbaby wrote: I fucking tell you why. Lynch Nr. 1 Most people are on Vivax second most voted train Sandro. Chez voted 1 hour before lynch on Vivax. At this point he should aready know that Vivax will get emtional now and he has good scum player should also know that maybe the vote train will go on sandro, but sadly not anoth town people here at that moment to save Vivax, Second lynch almost everbody on chez at the end of the timer but few hours before there was voting train on chez or on sandro and chez still rather voting on Trfel then on Sandro why should he do that. She's just coming up with whatever reason to be suspicious of anyone that she can, here it relies on me being town. This all makes no sense from a town perspective. Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy + Show Spoiler + Die_meatbaby is very angry and emotionally invested. But you don't see that investment in actual scumhunting. If someone is angry, if they are spending a lot of energy in the thread, it's because they care about the game, and thus presumably want to find mafia and win. But you don't see die_meatbaby trying to figure out people's alignments on anywhere NEAR the same magnitude as she is emotionally invested. Lots of the quotes above support this, or you can read her filter. She finds lots of things suspicious but doesn't seem to care to figure out who is actually mafia and who isn't. Then there are smaller things. For example, when Holyflare asks die_meatbaby who is mafia with Palmar, she answers:But four hours later the second post comes. Which one is it? If Holyflare is one of the most likely candidates for being the remaining mafia member, why would she say he is blue and want herself lynched instead? And if she thinks Holyflare is blue, how would have have a chance of being mafia? This is not the view of someone who is looking at the game and actually trying to figure out people's alignments. I'm convinced that die_meatbaby is mafia. If you are not, please talk to me and help me to understand why, since it is very important that town is in agreement this phase. Yes i was and maybe I am still tunneld with palmar, but i tried that lynch! Lynch nr.1 was just Vivax looked more scummy then him and i have to not go with my often slightly paranoid thougths and do the right thing for Town. As soon as it was clear that Vivax is obv. Town I tried do turn the lynch on Sandro. Why should I be the only Vote on Palmar? Useless vote (I learned from earlier mistakes) Second Lynch chez lynch. I am never 100% sure what chez aligment actually is but I was still suspicious of him as well so why should i not lynch him. Also I would be the only vote on Palmar same game...useless vote!!!!! Yes I was more suspicious of Palmar then chez, but I was still happy about lynching Chez because of 2 reasons. First he would be hardest scum to find (for me) and second he often creeps me out with his posts. It happend often in ealier games he push my paranoia to end level. I don´t like that. So why should I not go with the chez lynch. I was okey with the lynch and over all we got first Mafia. Tell me any reason why I should go on Palmar when i was suspicious of both just not as highly sure scum thoughts as of Palmar!!!! Why should i go with the Vivax vote when I know how exited he was in RL about the game starting and checking everyday if there are finally enough players. Why should I be this fucking asshole and vote on Vivax (until I was sure about him beeing Town)?? He talked with a big smile in his face about Palmar not playing for a long time and how he has a good scumgame and if he is scum Town has lost. Why should I ruin the happiness for no reason and go with Vivax lynchtrain. Trust there were defently other ways for as scum then do to something like this. I can and will not be such fuckingasshole to my amore! Also beeing tunneld on Palmar for the holegame may be a mistake but i will not fake that shit, I mean I am still just thinking of him as Scum and I don´t get it out of my head. He posts if Marv is Town I am defently Town as well and boom marv gets nk (@scum unnecessary nk btw he didn´t deserv that) Also when I am thinking of HF is blue why should he be alive so long. If I would think he is blue and I´m scum then I would fucking nk him. The hell I will kill everbody who claims blue or play scummy what often means that he is blue not scum. So why was he still alive? You saying: This is not the view of someone who is looking at the game and actually trying to figure out people's alignments. It is. I learned do find scum you have to find Town and then the rest is scum. Also in all the games i played we lynched some how the blue one always on d1 or at latest D2. I tried to figure out why this happens and people call it red/blue blindness and it happend often. Thats the reason why I am always trying to make sure we vote scum and blue who looks like scum because they play differnt with this roles as well. Sorry for trying to find Blue and save it. It was Town me is doeing and will continue doeing it in future games as well. You all playing this for decades or at least for years. You all are experienced player here. You all do now how you lose the game if you can not see the difference between scum and a newbie with differntplay methods because i lost here often and i don´t want that anymore. I want to get better here. And i really try to help Town. But I can not get Town to lynch Palmar when I was for a long time the only one thinking of him scum and when we had the chance to lynch him finally, you guys didn´t . My vote was on him! And yes i was not the first vote on him but sorry that I still have to go to work, to earn money, to pay internet, to play here to get told I am scum for my as you guys said it insane bad Town game. I am not trying to get any bonus or help just for beeing new here. Not in any way! I just want to rember you on your first games here and if you guys got scum readed as well because you didn´t play the same way as the others or were still confused about some things here. Or didn´t know how importend it is to find Town as well and not just scum. I try differend methods to get better in every game. Thats also one reason way always reading old games from you guys. So I can see how many ways there actually are to find scum. If you really want you can vote me. We lose this game anyway. Because I think scum is insane good in this game and if Palmar is really Town (as you all think) then I guess i am just really bad.I wish I was scum, then I wouldn't have to constantly listen to how bad my townplay is. You guys can vote who ever you want. I still believe in Palmar/TRFEL togther. Filter me, view posts before I were explaining why this looks at least scummy for me. I don´t want to repeat this otherwise i can hear again how bad my Towngame is. Also you guys thinking of me as scum knowing what vivax is that i will be on the lynch on him on D1. I would let my love alive at least 2 days. He had barley played and was so exited about the game. I could not do that. I am not such an asshole, also it would be unnecessary as a mafia view from me. Defently better option then getting a vivax lynchtrain. I would stop the wagon and let Town focus on somebody else. | ||
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Trfel
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On December 20 2023 09:18 Trfel wrote: So you weren't confident that Holyflare was a power role? I was. Thats the only reason why I wanted that you guys rather lynch me then him. Better losing normal Town than power role. I wanted to die for Town and you telling me i did nothing for Town here. | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On December 20 2023 09:20 die_meatbaby wrote: I was. Thats the only reason why I wanted that you guys rather lynch me then him. Better losing normal Town than power role. I wanted to die for Town and you telling me i did nothing for Town here. If I was mafia he would be Nk not Misslynch. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 20 2023 09:20 die_meatbaby wrote: What changed between posts #2629 and #2714 that made you think this?I was. Thats the only reason why I wanted that you guys rather lynch me then him. Better losing normal Town than power role. I wanted to die for Town and you telling me i did nothing for Town here. | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
PLS tell me why I should do something like this as Mafia? I don´t see how this is scummy or may look scummy | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
It just makes me think you aren't actually trying to figure out Holyflare's alignment because your view completely changed for seemingly no reason. Like you forgot your own reasons. | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On December 20 2023 09:39 Trfel wrote: But in the earlier post mentioned you thought Holyflare was mafia? And therefore not blue? It just makes me think you aren't actually trying to figure out Holyflare's alignment because your view completely changed for seemingly no reason. Like you forgot your own reasons. I was not sure about that and I didn´t mention my thougts on this so he doesn´t get nk In all the games I played we always misslynched blue and I don´t want that shit happen anymore so maybe i am just to focused to find blue as well. I was wrong with this anyways. | ||
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