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Trfel
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Grackaroni
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die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, Palmar, sandroba Not Voting (3): die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam With 3 votes, die_meatbaby is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Thursday, Dec 21 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 20 2023 08:24 Trfel wrote: I don't think English comprehension plays a significant effect on my reasoning but you are free to correct me if I am missing something? Not at all. You are correct I hadn't opened any of your spoilers. Let me catch up real quick, I skipped your fight with Rayn (page 7, 8) but I read the rest. | ||
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Alakaslam
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Alakaslam
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Alakaslam
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So I am going to sheep someone. Holyflare said to lynch Palmar and Trfel... Anyone else? I will read some Marv, had some Vivax saying Sandroba Palmar already... | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 19 2023 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia? Even if I’m hilariously wrong on Palmar, one of you is still mafia, right? *********SLAM CONTENT BELOW THIS LINE*************** Quoting intentionally fucked up here. Remember Marv hard TR Palmar. Rayn is not mafia. So the dead disagree and the last confirmed town I have to work with besides Vivax who died with too little relative info to be relevant to me right now, disagrees with them too. I have to become ok with a DMB lynch. I even told HF I just cannot read new. She is new enough to mafia overall that I can't predict what her play would be like. But I vibed with HF in that mason thread. I still really think it could be Palmar Trfel. But Marv is no fool. He said Trfel DMB. But Trfel Trfel has good points Hijole reading his filter made me more confused about this game tbh | ||
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Alakaslam
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Trfel
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Palmar
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Palmar
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On December 20 2023 09:38 die_meatbaby wrote: I really thought he was power roled. Maybe because i believed the claim or maybe because he looked a bit scummy but not red scummy it just looked like blue for me. And Yes I was wrong but I will not lynch somebody who i thinks is maybe blue and i will not let Town lynch blue as well. I tried to stop this. PLS tell me why I should do something like this as Mafia? I don´t see how this is scummy or may look scummy I want to talk about this for a second because we're just steamrolling towards a dmb lynch anyway. This is the kinda stuff that, if you're town, makes you such a liability in a lylo situation. This is, objectively, a terrible play to make as town. You complained on day 1 about me being too cocky, then you turn around with a townread that is so absolutely certain that you believe it to be as valid as your knowledge of your own alignment. No one is ever this sure of anything in this game. Additionally, as a town player, the primary goal should be to not be lynched. Townies who do get lynched, and it happens to all of us, are the reason games get lost. I'm not saying this to style on the people who got lynched, but it's objectively true. So, this is just a bad play, no matter how you think about it. The only faction that benefits from making these kinda offers is mafia, because it's useful wifom for saying "look at how not mafia I am, I was willing to get killed!" So, where does that leave us? You did something only mafia should ever do, so we automatically lynch you! My problem, and this has been my problem the entire game, is that townies do stupid shit all the time. I am nowhere near certain making an objectively wrong play makes you mafia. But in lylo it's really difficult to convince yourself to not make the "correct" play, especially on someone who doesn't have the connections and experience that many other players in the game share. I just don't know if I should expect you to do weird stupid shit as town. I expect Chez to troll the entire game away. I expect slam to be not that useful. I expect koshi and HF to be antagonistic and difficult. People should expect me to be a theatrical troll. I expect marv to be calmly rational. I don't know what I expect of you. Without that knowledge it becomes almost a necessity to default to what is and isn't correct. From my point of view your play becomes even more egregious, knowing you essentially tunneled a townie throughout the entire game and did very, very little else. Being wrong isn't a problem, we're all wrong all the time. It's the lack of other contributions that lose me. | ||
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Palmar
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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sandroba
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raynpelikoneet
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- Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me. - Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game. - I still don't know understand this: On December 19 2023 12:12 Trfel wrote: I think Palmar is probably my strongest townread, with sandroba not too far behind (I don't see how Palmar could be mafia unless he is mafia with marvellosity). Will have a lot of reevaluating to do. I still think die_meatbaby is mafia and don't really understand why people disagree. I need to catch up on the last 10 pages but I'll be here on-and-off for a while. Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia. - If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3? - Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!. ##vote Trfel | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 20 2023 22:38 sandroba wrote: Talk about the DMB issue we pointed out rayn Which issue? That she liked HF being mafia with Palmar and noone else and voted for Palmar? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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