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On December 11 2023 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:56 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait you thought i am mafia because sandroba is mafia, i called sandroba out, palmar called sandroba out, and i said i think palmar is town? At the time I read (this morning) you had not called sandro out. When I voted, you barely called sandro out and you came up with some hipster reason that you didn't even disclose. Neither of those things matter to me because at the point you had called sandro out pretty much the whole thread had and your post is basically 0 commitment to saying sandro looks bad. None of it really matters to your connection with palmar's connection to sandro though. Can you really not read between the lines that much, that when i was playing in the morning, the only question i posed to anyone is someone i might find some suspicious about? You have put way too much stock into me paying attention to something. I just wanted to get a vote down and make people comment on it. Okay, so where is your head at now, if none (or some) of this is not true anymore? :D
Exactly what I said - vivax.
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On December 11 2023 03:58 Holyflare wrote:
tbh the last time I read rayn hadn't actually defended sandro or questioned him at that point
I did though, way before you voted for me.
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On December 11 2023 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:58 Holyflare wrote:
tbh the last time I read rayn hadn't actually defended sandro or questioned him at that point I did though, way before you voted for me.
You did not. I get what you're thinking timeline wise but I had not read the rest of the game when I voted.
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So this is your list for scum, right?
Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others.
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On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:24 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
hi How are you doing, Holyflare? Curious why you think raynpelikoneet is mafia? Convuluted af reasons really. I thought Sandroba was quite likely to be mafia and Palmar made this post: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote:
Sandroba correctly identified Slam’s best post (smiley thing) and also noticed how excellent it was but somehow convinced himself to not make a good read on it.
Brazilposting in crisis? Implicating that Palmar was ready to bus sandro because the reasoning here is extremely tenuous imo. I don't believe that palmar thinks the post is good but simultaneously uses it to discredit sandro. Maybe he would but I don't think so. It feels more like thread influence has made palmar take the read and use it as his own stance for slam and then try and double down on the sandro read. Reading into this and then seeing rayn post some drivel like: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar pros town here. kinda made me think that maybe I was doing palmar a disservice and he could come up with something like that and rayn was just TMIing palmar as town because I don't think anything palmar said should be really conclusive for palmar's alignment in the slightest, especially not to this degree that rayn was talking about he's since given more elaborated reasoning for it like: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? Is that supposed to change something? Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!"  The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion. Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. Which I guess is somewhat accetable but it's still a really silly reason to base the read on that.
One thing more, is this why you originally voted for me? (before the post(s) where i explain my stance on Palmar)?
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Or scratch that, you are saying you hadn't read my question to sandroba before voting for me (which can be true), but if you had read any of the Palmar's posts, you would have read my question, because it was before Palmar posted anything.
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On December 11 2023 03:31 Trfel wrote:Also, when do we policy lynch marvellosity for smiles being suspicious? 
I already started.
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On December 11 2023 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 03:24 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
hi How are you doing, Holyflare? Curious why you think raynpelikoneet is mafia? Convuluted af reasons really. I thought Sandroba was quite likely to be mafia and Palmar made this post: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote:
Sandroba correctly identified Slam’s best post (smiley thing) and also noticed how excellent it was but somehow convinced himself to not make a good read on it.
Brazilposting in crisis? Implicating that Palmar was ready to bus sandro because the reasoning here is extremely tenuous imo. I don't believe that palmar thinks the post is good but simultaneously uses it to discredit sandro. Maybe he would but I don't think so. It feels more like thread influence has made palmar take the read and use it as his own stance for slam and then try and double down on the sandro read. Reading into this and then seeing rayn post some drivel like: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar pros town here. kinda made me think that maybe I was doing palmar a disservice and he could come up with something like that and rayn was just TMIing palmar as town because I don't think anything palmar said should be really conclusive for palmar's alignment in the slightest, especially not to this degree that rayn was talking about he's since given more elaborated reasoning for it like: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? Is that supposed to change something? Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion. Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. Which I guess is somewhat accetable but it's still a really silly reason to base the read on that. One thing more, is this why you originally voted for me? (before the post(s) where i explain my stance on Palmar)?
Not just the connection with palmar, no. Your stances on people were very vague and devoid of substance.
Your read on trfel was dependent on what he responded to DP but I think you should have easily had a better read on trfel with his posts vs sandroba at that point too. Especially apparent that you hadn't even talked about sandroba there too. Feels like you were measuring thread temperature before taking a stance on either.
You did expand on it in your "attack" on sandro here:
On December 11 2023 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Finally arrived home. Reading until here so i don't miss anything: Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:30 Vivax wrote:On December 10 2023 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 18:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar pros town here. But what are you? What do you make of trfel? Town. Depends mostly on what he answers to your question towards him. So you'll have to wait for my read. Where is said question and why do you need him to answer it? This: Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 17:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel, what kind of committed position would you reasonably expect sandroba to have at that point in the game?
Now at the time my position was sandroba doesn't look good (for reasons -- not exactly for his opener), Trfel looks nothing out of ordinary. However i am not the only player in the game, so i decided to see how Trfel deals with DP questioning him, without interfering at that point.
Which is a fine follow up I guess, but this didn't exist then.
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On December 11 2023 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 03:24 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
hi How are you doing, Holyflare? Curious why you think raynpelikoneet is mafia? Convuluted af reasons really. I thought Sandroba was quite likely to be mafia and Palmar made this post: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote:
Sandroba correctly identified Slam’s best post (smiley thing) and also noticed how excellent it was but somehow convinced himself to not make a good read on it.
Brazilposting in crisis? Implicating that Palmar was ready to bus sandro because the reasoning here is extremely tenuous imo. I don't believe that palmar thinks the post is good but simultaneously uses it to discredit sandro. Maybe he would but I don't think so. It feels more like thread influence has made palmar take the read and use it as his own stance for slam and then try and double down on the sandro read. Reading into this and then seeing rayn post some drivel like: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar pros town here. kinda made me think that maybe I was doing palmar a disservice and he could come up with something like that and rayn was just TMIing palmar as town because I don't think anything palmar said should be really conclusive for palmar's alignment in the slightest, especially not to this degree that rayn was talking about he's since given more elaborated reasoning for it like: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? Is that supposed to change something? Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion. Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. Which I guess is somewhat accetable but it's still a really silly reason to base the read on that. One thing more, is this why you originally voted for me? (before the post(s) where i explain my stance on Palmar)? Not just the connection with palmar, no. Your stances on people were very vague and devoid of substance. Your read on trfel was dependent on what he responded to DP but I think you should have easily had a better read on trfel with his posts vs sandroba at that point too. Especially apparent that you hadn't even talked about sandroba there too. Feels like you were measuring thread temperature before taking a stance on either. You did expand on it in your "attack" on sandro here: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Finally arrived home. Reading until here so i don't miss anything: On December 10 2023 21:30 Vivax wrote:On December 10 2023 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 18:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar pros town here. But what are you? What do you make of trfel? Town. Depends mostly on what he answers to your question towards him. So you'll have to wait for my read. Where is said question and why do you need him to answer it? This: On December 10 2023 17:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel, what kind of committed position would you reasonably expect sandroba to have at that point in the game?
Now at the time my position was sandroba doesn't look good (for reasons -- not exactly for his opener), Trfel looks nothing out of ordinary. However i am not the only player in the game, so i decided to see how Trfel deals with DP questioning him, without interfering at that point. Which is a fine follow up I guess, but this didn't exist then.
I asked you this:
On December 11 2023 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you really not read between the lines that much, that when i was playing in the morning, the only question i posed to anyone is someone i might find some suspicious about?
You responded:
On December 11 2023 03:58 Holyflare wrote:
tbh the last time I read rayn hadn't actually defended sandro or questioned him at that point
If you voted me after reading anything Palmar has ever said in this game, your last bolded statement is a lie.
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I don't know what your statement even said. You also should know that lying is very different from negligence. I only go on what my mind remembers and would have no reason to lie about any of these points even as mafia and you know that.
I've said what I've said and if a timeline doesn't add up somehow (I don't believe that to be the case) then it is what it is. I stand by what I've written.
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Oh I think I see what you're saying. You should look at the timestamps of Palmar's reply because it is not when you think it is. 2 hours ago is not anything near to when I said I read and it most certainly isn't the beginning of the game or his filter like you're saying it is.
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On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others.
Why this phrasing.
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