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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2023 19:32 GMT
#321
On December 11 2023 04:29 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:

Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others.


Why this phrasing.


because I wanted to avoid whatever the hell this interaction has been now over petty irrelevant stuff and I acknowledge that my list is all low posters who have said basically nothing and it could be wrong and if it were they would be the first people to throw back in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2023 19:32 GMT
#322
voting koshi is a good first step though, we should all be doing it
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2023 19:33 GMT
#323
Vivax try to be slightly more fun. I would love you to not be mafia but you are painful to read.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2023 19:33 GMT
#324
On December 11 2023 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
Oh I think I see what you're saying. You should look at the timestamps of Palmar's reply because it is not when you think it is. 2 hours ago is not anything near to when I said I read and it most certainly isn't the beginning of the game or his filter like you're saying it is.

I am saying when you voted for me, you had read some Palmar's post(s), but hadn't read any question to sandroba from me. That's a lie if you have read the thread as you claim, because:

My question:
On December 10 2023 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2023 14:00 sandroba wrote:
On December 10 2023 13:26 Trfel wrote:
On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature
I guess what I meant moreso was, why did you post that section? Since you seemed to end up with no read whatsoever, I'm just curious what the motivation/mindset/purpose was?

It's not "no read", it's a few things that point one way or the other. The point of sharing inconclusive thoughts is that it helps other players make sense of my alignment and also invites others to partake in the discussion.

What exactly do you mean with this?


Palmar's first post in the game:
On December 10 2023 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I like slam and it annoys me that no one has yet said he’s 100% town confirmed.


Look at the time stamps.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2023 19:33 GMT
#325
On December 11 2023 04:32 Holyflare wrote:
voting koshi is a good first step though, we should all be doing it

I agree 100%
I had a good night of sleep.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 19:34 GMT
#326
On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.

Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia?

Is that supposed to change something?

Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.

Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember.


I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2023 19:34 GMT
#327
I dont care if you read until page 3 or page 10023189 but if you have read Palmar's ANY post you SHOULD have read my question to sandroba.
table for two on a tv tray
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 10 2023 19:35 GMT
#328
Vivax, curious if you have any thoughts on DarthPunk?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2023 19:36 GMT
#329
I am pretty sure my filter is 100% correct atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 10 2023 19:38 GMT
#330
I'll add 2 more names DP and Tfrel could consider inviting. rayn and slam.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2023 19:42 GMT
#331
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.

If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate.
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2023 19:45 GMT
#332
On December 11 2023 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
Oh I think I see what you're saying. You should look at the timestamps of Palmar's reply because it is not when you think it is. 2 hours ago is not anything near to when I said I read and it most certainly isn't the beginning of the game or his filter like you're saying it is.

I am saying when you voted for me, you had read some Palmar's post(s), but hadn't read any question to sandroba from me. That's a lie if you have read the thread as you claim, because:

My question:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2023 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2023 14:00 sandroba wrote:
On December 10 2023 13:26 Trfel wrote:
On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature
I guess what I meant moreso was, why did you post that section? Since you seemed to end up with no read whatsoever, I'm just curious what the motivation/mindset/purpose was?

It's not "no read", it's a few things that point one way or the other. The point of sharing inconclusive thoughts is that it helps other players make sense of my alignment and also invites others to partake in the discussion.

What exactly do you mean with this?


Palmar's first post in the game:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2023 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I like slam and it annoys me that no one has yet said he’s 100% town confirmed.


Look at the time stamps.


I have literally no idea what you're talking about or why you expect me to remember such a trivial little detail when I've clearly just massively skimmed the thread and put a vote down on someone who I thought had the overall perception of skating by and just saying things (you). If you want to nitpick to the nth degree then be my guest and vote me or don't but going on about this point is a waste of mine, your and everyone else's time IMO.

Quite happy to talk about literally anything else at this point.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2023 19:48 GMT
#333
I get that you're hung up that I wrote the word "question" in my post and you actually wrote 1 sentence as a question to sandroba but it is quite frankly irrelevant to my overall perception of your play.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 10 2023 19:48 GMT
#334
@holyflare, you first post you start with the statement that you thought I was mafia and then derives the rest of your reads from it. Can you expand on why you believe I was suspicious based on my initial posts?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 10 2023 19:49 GMT
#335
On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.

If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate.
To be honest I think you are nitpicking a bit. Even if we say you are right and Holyflare isn't, I'm not sure what that demonstrates. It means he messed up in reading the thread maybe, I don't think it makes him mafia. I think that the overall picture of Holyflare's play is much more important.

Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2023 19:55 GMT
#336
On December 11 2023 04:48 sandroba wrote:
@holyflare, you first post you start with the statement that you thought I was mafia and then derives the rest of your reads from it. Can you expand on why you believe I was suspicious based on my initial posts?


What other people have said is correct, you came to no conclusions on people. I don't think your points about trfel were misplaced and in any other game I would have sheeped what you were saying and been all over trfel but your conviction I don't think aligns with someone trying to discover aspects about the game you felt uncertain about. Ordinarily I'd expect people to feign that they believed those reads more than they did to try and get reactions out of people but you just made a lot of statements, threw in a lot of uncertainties about them and then ???

Sure, it's the beginning of the game but I still also expect more conviction.

Other people have commented on the Slam stuff. I think it's a good observation but the way you have phrased it comes more like someone who wants to keep the option of Slam open for later than someone who wants to try and clear Slam and I even think the read itself perhaps comes from a place of TMI. This is especially so because in your next post you say you can't really get a good read on Slam ordinarily. It just smells completely off.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
December 10 2023 19:57 GMT
#337
On December 11 2023 03:47 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 03:41 Chezinu wrote:
On December 11 2023 03:31 Vivax wrote:
On December 11 2023 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly do you mean by conclusions in this case Vivax?


Like finding out that Chezinu works for methlab and might know something about the mafia.

I work for a methlab?

Here I was undercover working to understand the meaning of the sentinel, but never consider being one myself. Was I created as a replica of another? What if Vivax knows more about me than I as my memories were erased... if that was the case, I wouldn't be Chezinu but rather a sentinel Chez.
What is the sentinel that you are referring to? Please enlighten me/refresh my memory?



It has a mind. It is electric and not human though it may deceive.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2023 19:59 GMT
#338
Also:

On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.

Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia?

Is that supposed to change something?

Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.

Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember.


I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel.


Of all the posts in the thread I also take umbrage with the fact that you've essentially taken this one as a pseudo way of defending yourself. I also would like you to elaborate on this some more because there are several interpretations of what this can actually mean and it's vague enough that you can use it to imply many things.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22399 Posts
December 10 2023 20:03 GMT
#339
On December 11 2023 04:35 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, curious if you have any thoughts on DarthPunk?


Interesting position in that he suspects you.
Who would you vote right now?
And why didn't you vote?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2023 20:06 GMT
#340
On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.

If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate.
To be honest I think you are nitpicking a bit. Even if we say you are right and Holyflare isn't, I'm not sure what that demonstrates. It means he messed up in reading the thread maybe, I don't think it makes him mafia. I think that the overall picture of Holyflare's play is much more important.

Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me.


I don't like his attack on you and I think Palmar perhaps persuaded him off from tunelling you further but he tried to play it off like he came up with that idea himself to appear like he was being reasonable and then said you could be mafia anyway. He also said you weren't inquisitive about finding out information from people, while literally trying to take up all of your time with little questions thus giving you not much time to do that.

I don't know what to think of that though because I'm historically bad at reading DP. Not sure I could make a gut read on it but somewhere middle of the pack, possibility of being townie but not outright surprised if mafia. See what he does next given time.

Have you made a list post summing up what your current reads are?
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