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On December 11 2023 03:09 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 01:54 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2023 22:00 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:55 Vivax wrote:On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a riddle for me Trfel? Mostly just this: On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no? It gives him an option to acknowledge it was a terrible post without saying it was a terrible post. What does that acknowledgment provide? Also, any thoughts on Alakaslam? I know he plays a bit on impulse but I still find it very strange how his thoughts followed the thread sentiment so directly. Always pliable, dunno if this is a change or not as we sense change least in ourselves. Meh I ought not mindd suspicion. I do remember your views changing, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It felt to me like your views were changing at a convenient time if you were mafia, but that may just be how you play (again, not a bad thing, just stuck out to me). I think I'll let you do your thing and come back to this at a future point.
😁
But still before Lylo please!
By the way, huge accident on I-10 by the 15, they probably cleaned it up by now but who could pass In-N-Out at Sierra Avenue when there is traffic anyway?
Gonna miss church though. Wife will be mad. 😈 she is leaving me anyway hehehehehe
Oh
But Jesus might not like this much either
Ok but why you put the car crash there then, papa? Ayyyyyyyyyy
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Meh I deserve hell what do I know?
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I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.
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On December 11 2023 03:28 Vivax wrote:
Greetings Holyflour, have you brought us a sand witch to roast?
Wins right here
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On December 11 2023 03:31 Trfel wrote:Also, when do we policy lynch marvellosity for smiles being suspicious? 
Ok ok ok fair cop, I was hypocrite long before I slung that across the ocean AND the equator.
Meh
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On December 11 2023 05:07 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:09 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 01:54 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2023 22:00 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:55 Vivax wrote:On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a riddle for me Trfel? Mostly just this: On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no? It gives him an option to acknowledge it was a terrible post without saying it was a terrible post. What does that acknowledgment provide? Also, any thoughts on Alakaslam? I know he plays a bit on impulse but I still find it very strange how his thoughts followed the thread sentiment so directly. Always pliable, dunno if this is a change or not as we sense change least in ourselves. Meh I ought not mindd suspicion. I do remember your views changing, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It felt to me like your views were changing at a convenient time if you were mafia, but that may just be how you play (again, not a bad thing, just stuck out to me). I think I'll let you do your thing and come back to this at a future point. 😁 But still before Lylo please! By the way, huge accident on I-10 by the 15, they probably cleaned it up by now but who could pass In-N-Out at Sierra Avenue when there is traffic anyway? Gonna miss church though. Wife will be mad. 😈 she is leaving me anyway hehehehehe Oh But Jesus might not like this much either Ok but why you put the car crash there then, papa? Ayyyyyyyyyy .... Meh I deserve hell what do I know?
Do you need a virtual church? I Rs by a Citadel. Perhaps communications via the wire, we can praise da King!
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On December 11 2023 03:35 Vivax wrote:
I didn't know they went to church in North Korea
Wait who?
Oh California is basically NK within the US. I see it.
Yes, some of us do. Not all. Quite few!
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Oh! Whom do all the blessings flow?
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On December 11 2023 04:59 Holyflare wrote:Also: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? Is that supposed to change something? Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!"  The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion. Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel. Of all the posts in the thread I also take umbrage with the fact that you've essentially taken this one as a pseudo way of defending yourself. I also would like you to elaborate on this some more because there are several interpretations of what this can actually mean and it's vague enough that you can use it to imply many things.
That's not a defense of me, as I could be mafia and DP town in this scenario. The fact that rayn's brain read that exchange and thought "No way 2 mafia would do that as partners" I think demonstrates a towny trying to solve the game.
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On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.
I don't think you moved the game in a pro-town manner. Good observations are easy for anyone to make. A pro-town manner would have been outright saying those things and seeing how people reacted to that information and then compounding those reads and coming up with more reads. You just put out reads, second guessed yourself and left the options open. What did that achieve? I can only go on what you've posted and base things off common patterns. If you aren't mafia then post your way out of it and get me to not think it anymore, pretty simple.
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In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...
May the Aleph Tav, the mark of the covenant, seal you from damnation though we all guilty of much punishment. Thank the Lord for the Lamb, which spare us from what we deserve. Praise the Lord for His grace and mercy!
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On December 11 2023 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think HF is scum.
On December 11 2023 02:15 Alakaslam wrote:On December 11 2023 00:19 Grackaroni wrote:Day One Vote Countraynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Vivax marvellosity (1): Koshi Trfel (0): DarthPunkNot Voting (9): marvellosity, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, raynpelikoneet, Palmar, Chezinu, Alakaslam, Sandroba, Trfel With 2 votes, raynpelikoneet is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Tuesday, Dec 12 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/88vljg.jpg)
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The good Lord preached to love our enemies! May the green love the red!! He encouraged us to love each other as we love ourselves! They hated him because he said what they did was evil and they loved their darkness. May the Lord free them from their addiction, which is their slavery!
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On December 11 2023 04:59 Holyflare wrote:Also: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:34 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.
Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? Is that supposed to change something? Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion. Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. I think this is a towny observation from rayn, no way dp would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel. Of all the posts in the thread I also take umbrage with the fact that you've essentially taken this one as a pseudo way of defending yourself. I also would like you to elaborate on this some more because there are several interpretations of what this can actually mean and it's vague enough that you can use it to imply many things.
This is a very good observation, although you don't anything useful with it 
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On December 11 2023 04:38 Koshi wrote:
I'll add 2 more names DP and Tfrel could consider inviting. rayn and slam.
I like all your reads Koshi, wouldn't doubt your filter being 100% at this point. I think I dislike Vivax the most, his reasoning and phrasing seem contrived to me on both his posts on me and DP.
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marv and holyflare not very impressive atm. Palmar is normal I guess
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On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.
I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this.
People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)
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Dear Mafias,
You do not have to follow the path of redness though your name is stained with red. You can live without eliminating the green and blue. You can resist the urge to kill!! It is not too late for a blue priest to make you green!! Just repent openly and confess to the priest and He will remove your redness. You could be green or even perhaps blue!!
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On December 11 2023 04:38 Koshi wrote:
I'll add 2 more names DP and Tfrel could consider inviting. rayn and slam.
Ayyyyyyyy dem positive finger guns and sunglasses m8
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sandroba are you gonna be here in like 30mins?
i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here.
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On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)
If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance.
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