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Like he made a case on most obvious townie in the game, voted with consensus on counter-wagon, got lynched. I know because i played.
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On December 19 2023 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:26 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:
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He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar. Can you elaborate? He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel The game you are referencing here Trfel was a no show until very end of D1. What of it? What? The game sandroba quoted was a game where Trfel didn't appear until very end of D1, posting basically nothing. I don't think it's a good reference to anyone's scumgame in general.
Sorry! Thought you were talking about my game.
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On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game
So if Trfel is mafia with Palmar it's nothing similar at all?
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On December 19 2023 02:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:17 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 02:15 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:
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He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar. Can you elaborate? He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel See this is the one I glanced at quickly https://tl.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?user=TrfelAnd this scumgame Trfel had more pages of filter than any of the towngames I looked at quickly Did you read this game? Was he town siding and being reasonable in ther? Haven’t spent enough time to work out what townsiding is in that game lol. Doesn’t this post look good though? https://tl.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=65#1281
Looks good, but compared to his posts here it's not similar. Over there you can see it's very objective and driven, trying to look townie. The posts here are very waffly with caveats and thought process seems genuine.
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On December 19 2023 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game So if Trfel is mafia with Palmar it's nothing similar at all?
Sure, I'll take another look at Trfel if Palmar is mafia. The Chezinu push though is out of character based on the other game which he defended his scum buddies.
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On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game
I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia.
Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!).
We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100%
I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia.
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I just can’t help the Palmar townread bugging me xD
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For someone who waffles a lot, he’s not wafffled much on palmar
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On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia.
Argh, I hate that you clump Palmar together here, I don't think Palmar has done anywhere near what I would expect him to do as town.
I don't like the reads of "can be mafia", even if Trfel could be convincing as mafia this game he is using his powers for good, which makes more sense if he is town. If Palmar is town, to me it becomes even more unreasonable Trfel is mafia. So I'm always lynching Palmar first here.
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On December 19 2023 02:38 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia. Argh, I hate that you clump Palmar together here, I don't think Palmar has done anywhere near what I would expect him to do as town. I don't like the reads of "can be mafia", even if Trfel could be convincing as mafia this game he is using his powers for good, which makes more sense if he is town. If Palmar is town, to me it becomes even more unreasonable Trfel is mafia. So I'm always lynching Palmar first here.
I just can’t argue with you either, I haven’t been right enough to do so 
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On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia.
So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia?
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Palmar really does need to justify my read on him tomorrow and be the best townie he’s ever been.
It’s just what the game (town) needs
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On December 19 2023 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia. So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia?
Even if I’m hilariously wrong on Palmar, one of you is still mafia, right?
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On December 19 2023 02:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia. So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia? Even if I’m hilariously wrong on Palmar, one of you is still mafia, right?
yeah, unless it's slam, but it's not slam.
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On December 19 2023 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:44 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia. So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia? Even if I’m hilariously wrong on Palmar, one of you is still mafia, right? yeah, unless it's slam, but it's not slam.
Fine. But you can understand why my focus is where it’s been this phase.
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If at least 1, possibly 2 mafia are in that pool of 3, then I need to understand the townreads that are going on from other players towards that pool.
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On December 19 2023 02:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2023 02:44 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia. So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia? Even if I’m hilariously wrong on Palmar, one of you is still mafia, right? yeah, unless it's slam, but it's not slam. Fine. But you can understand why my focus is where it’s been this phase.
Of course, i haven't given a single thought of you being mafia after you let got of sandroba to vote for chezinu and the day ended. I am not sure why anyone else is considering you mafia after that.
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On December 19 2023 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:45 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2023 02:44 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia. So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia? Even if I’m hilariously wrong on Palmar, one of you is still mafia, right? yeah, unless it's slam, but it's not slam. Fine. But you can understand why my focus is where it’s been this phase. Of course, i haven't given a single thought of you being mafia after you let got of sandroba to vote for chezinu and the day ended. I am not sure why anyone else is considering you mafia after that.
I don’t think they are. Although I wouldn’t be upset if they did.
I have just reread the last few pages of Palmar’s filter because I am trying to reconsider. I’m just not seeing it >.<
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Is your read on sandroba still based on his filter size and the D2 happenings?
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Where is your head at right now rayn?
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