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* the townie thing to do is be suspicious of Palmar.
I realise I am sort of shading myself here with this logic too.
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On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it?
Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar.
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On December 19 2023 01:56 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a hard time understanding D2 which should actually tell a lot about the game, maybe the most in terms of what actual information we do have. Apparently everyone sees, or claim to see this entirely the other way i do see it.
marv in your opinion, whose votes were they key votes in changing the lynch from sandroba to Chezinu? Rayn you are hinging on this Chezinu vote thing way too much and it doesn't look good to me.
I am hinging on it because i think i was a meaningful asset in lynching Chezinu and i want to know why other people don't understand it, or see it differently. Especially you, since you were the counter-wagon of Chezinu lynch D2.
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On December 19 2023 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn - obviously your Chez vote cannot be held against you. But if I’m extending possible suspicion to people on the Chez wagon in good time (eg Trfel) then I can hardly say it looks good for you either.
I trust you see what I mean here Well for some reason most of the game is holding it against me, while i would never put my vote there in case i am mafia (even if i was mafia with sandroba). I have to say though i really didn't have that much of preference there, so i kinda see in that sense. Sure i thought Chezinu is mafia, but witouth further investigation at the time i put my vote there because HF who i thought is mafia was kinda white knighting Chezinu while saying the complete opposite. I wanted to see what happens, then Koshi started to shit on me on the vote, same with HF. I also had reservations with Koshi, it didn't help he was like 1000000% against my vote, but when you voted (when it should make even less sense for him), he just started being a good sheepyboi. So yeah, i thought fuck it, this has to be the correct play. I guess you could say i made the right decision based on wrong information lol 
Rayn if you are mafia you are too good, I 100% buy this explanation
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On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar.
Can you elaborate?
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On December 18 2023 23:36 sandroba wrote:
Rayn only shows up when he is being talked about to try to diffuse suspicion off of him. He doesn't pursue his scum reads, and is very tame not to antagonize players in the thread too much, all of which are mafia-favored behaviors.
You do realise this is absolute horse shit?
Go read any of my mafia games i have ever played.
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On December 19 2023 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:36 sandroba wrote:
Rayn only shows up when he is being talked about to try to diffuse suspicion off of him. He doesn't pursue his scum reads, and is very tame not to antagonize players in the thread too much, all of which are mafia-favored behaviors.
You do realise this is absolute horse shit? Go read any of my mafia games i have ever played.
I’m actually with rayn on this, I generally find him more antagonistic as mafia.
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On December 19 2023 02:00 marvellosity wrote:
* the townie thing to do is be suspicious of Palmar.
I realise I am sort of shading myself here with this logic too.
I have never thought about that on Trfel to be honest.
I thought about it on you, but then no, it doesn't make sense. D1 -> D2 is way too irrational and "too wrong" mafia play from you if that would be the case.
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On December 19 2023 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:00 marvellosity wrote:
* the townie thing to do is be suspicious of Palmar.
I realise I am sort of shading myself here with this logic too. I have never thought about that on Trfel to be honest. I thought about it on you, but then no, it doesn't make sense. D1 -> D2 is way too irrational and "too wrong" mafia play from you if that would be the case.
I am clearly a special case. Either I have the best read on Palmar as a result of the million games we played together, or he has played me for an A grade fool.
I can’t expect anyone else to have close to the same views on Palmar that I do
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Gonna eat now, i will be back in a bit
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On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar. Can you elaborate?
He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel
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On December 17 2023 10:41 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am also saying Palmar is obvious mafia barring the conversation we had.
Do you have an opinion of yours on that? Honestly I'm just not seeing Palmar as mafia. Like theoretically it could be possible, but I'm not sure if Palmar's play this game is in the range of his scum play (to be fair I don't really know what his scum play range is, I just was under the impression that it wasn't quite on the level of someone like you or Holyflare). I looked through his filter, there were a few things that came up but nothing seriously scummy. One of the main points I had on him ended up having a somewhat plausible explanation. Furthermore, I do believe marvellosity is town and I trust marvellosity's read on Palmar, he said he's going to re-evaluate that over the course of the day but for now that's still a townread. I think perhaps the most likely answer is that one of my assumptions are wrong and that Holyflare or sandroba or Alakaslam is mafia. I have no idea why they would be mafia though, I'm hoping to get through some filter dives sooner or later.
Why is Trfel the only player that trusts my Palmar read, when everyone else thinks I’m a moron?
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On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar. Can you elaborate? He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel
See this is the one I glanced at quickly
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?user=Trfel
And this scumgame Trfel had more pages of filter than any of the towngames I looked at quickly
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On December 19 2023 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:36 sandroba wrote:
Rayn only shows up when he is being talked about to try to diffuse suspicion off of him. He doesn't pursue his scum reads, and is very tame not to antagonize players in the thread too much, all of which are mafia-favored behaviors.
You do realise this is absolute horse shit? Go read any of my mafia games i have ever played.
It's a good heuristic that mafia tries to avoid conflict, but I buy that you believe (maybe correctly) that it doesn't apply in your case. Haven't played with you too many games, only from memory remember you being more aggro in general
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On December 19 2023 02:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar. Can you elaborate? He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel See this is the one I glanced at quickly https://tl.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?user=TrfelAnd this scumgame Trfel had more pages of filter than any of the towngames I looked at quickly
Did you read this game? Was he town siding and being reasonable in ther?
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On December 19 2023 02:17 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:15 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar. Can you elaborate? He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel See this is the one I glanced at quickly https://tl.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?user=TrfelAnd this scumgame Trfel had more pages of filter than any of the towngames I looked at quickly Did you read this game? Was he town siding and being reasonable in ther?
Haven’t spent enough time to work out what townsiding is in that game lol. Doesn’t this post look good though?
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=65#1281
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On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar. Can you elaborate? He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel
The game you are referencing here Trfel was a no show until very end of D1.
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On December 19 2023 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar. Can you elaborate? He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel The game you are referencing here Trfel was a no show until very end of D1.
What of it?
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On December 19 2023 02:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.
Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?
He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb But why when no one else was? I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t. So ??? Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good? Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right? I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh. Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it? Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar. Can you elaborate? He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel The game you are referencing here Trfel was a no show until very end of D1. What of it?
What?
The game sandroba quoted was a game where Trfel didn't appear until very end of D1, posting basically nothing.
I don't think it's a good reference to anyone's scumgame in general.
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I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game
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